What’s the deal on the yield?

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Hempire828

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.Smoke said:
I thought the same thing. That's why I'm now running a 315W CMH with Phillips 3100k and 600W HPS in a 4x4.
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Looks good man..9 sq vs 16sq... ok more light it is...I’m gonna try a 400 hps..along w/315 3k..& grab a 6 in fan & filter combo.. while at it... I don’t have more room unless I go back into closet... temps are good in garage now.. thanks... planning my next grow now...
 
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Hempire828

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LinguaPeel said:
Post microscopy of your soil then and only then can we address your microbial imbalance.

The only thing lights do is make sugars for da microbes, you don't even be grow lights if you feed da microbes
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Like a soil sample... man I’m new but I will try best I can.. I’m using happy frog for my first top 2 gallons of soil.. then my bottom third is super soil...
 
coreywebster

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Not arguing about the light, though I think a 315 in a 3x3 is enough to pull a pound or more. More light is nicer if you can manage it.
But you cant hit high numbers without filling that space and training to get the most out of your canopy.

That's where I would start.
 
.Smoke

.Smoke

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Hempire828 said:
Looks good man..9 sq vs 16sq... ok more light it is...I’m gonna try a 400 hps..along w/315 3k..& grab a 6 in fan & filter combo.. while at it... I don’t have more room unless I go back into closet... temps are good in garage now.. thanks... planning my next grow now...
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That should definitely help you hit your goal.

If I can suggest, I pieced my exhaust together.

All from Amazon.
Went with the Hydrofarm ValueLine VLF 6" fan and an Ipower carbon filter.

Almost same price if not cheaper than buying a package deal.

And from what I've read the ValueLine fan is the real deal. People have ran them for 10+ years non stop with no issues.

Don't think you'll seen an Amazon "Top Choice" suggested fan do that :)

Plus I've had no issues out of my Ipower HPS. So far it been cheap and effective.
 
Father Ramirez

Father Ramirez

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Wow this is a fun thread. So many thinking abouts - what about this? What about that? What if I ...?
And it’s fun because cannabis makes our minds over active. We don’t really need to think this hard to grow. It’s just fun!
But to your question in a 3x3, and many breeders estimate yield in a meter squared, so that’s about the same. Keep in mind when the breeder says “X many grams indoors”, that’s their absolute best harvest ever, and that grower got a little lucky. Never expect what they claim.
If you grow 81 solo cups in a 3x3 - that’s 9 rows of 9 plants - and 12/12 them from seed, untopped and no training, you’ll average about 3-4 g per plant in 12 weeks, with no scrog or training. Maybe put all 81 in a 3x3 soil box instead of all those cups. The point is LOTS of plants create yield faster than a few large plants.
So let’s say 1/8z X 81= 283.5 g or 1.16 pounds.
Or you could veg one massive plant for months, and yield less. Or any variation like 9 plants, which is common in a 3x3.

Next, autos do not make your job easier, but people keep thinking that. Must be the word that suggests it happens all by itself!
 
Father Ramirez

Father Ramirez

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Powertech said:
you didn’t veg long enough
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And vegging feels like standing in line at DMV.
Make a fist. Bite the bullet for one cycle and grow your own seeds. So satisfying to create YOUR PERSONAL STRAIN! And it saves a ton of money, and you grow to harvest weeks faster with many plants, which you likely couldn’t afford if you had to buy seeds. I have grown over 10k seeds of NY Diesel regular photoperiod, and have about 5k on hand now. Hell, I’ve sprouted ‘em 100 at a time for cat grass.
 
Powertech

Powertech

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Father Ramirez said:
Make a fist. Bite the bullet for one cycle and grow your own seeds.
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Yup, that’s what I will hopefully be doing unless I get ungodly bad luck. Have 8 Blue Cookies from seed. Unless they all end up being the same sex I’ll be making seed so I don’t have to ever again with this strain. Middle is a few days ahead
 

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Merlin1147

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Father Ramirez said:
Wow this is a fun thread. So many thinking abouts - what about this? What about that? What if I ...?
And it’s fun because cannabis makes our minds over active. We don’t really need to think this hard to grow. It’s just fun!
But to your question in a 3x3, and many breeders estimate yield in a meter squared, so that’s about the same. Keep in mind when the breeder says “X many grams indoors”, that’s their absolute best harvest ever, and that grower got a little lucky. Never expect what they claim.
If you grow 81 solo cups in a 3x3 - that’s 9 rows of 9 plants - and 12/12 them from seed, untopped and no training, you’ll average about 3-4 g per plant in 12 weeks, with no scrog or training. Maybe put all 81 in a 3x3 soil box instead of all those cups. The point is LOTS of plants create yield faster than a few large plants.
So let’s say 1/8z X 81= 283.5 g or 1.16 pounds.
Or you could veg one massive plant for months, and yield less. Or any variation like 9 plants, which is common in a 3x3.

Next, autos do not make your job easier, but people keep thinking that. Must be the word that suggests it happens all by itself!
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Last I looked there were 454 grams per pound. Agree, autos suck.
 
Powertech

Powertech

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Merlin1147 said:
Last I looked there were 454 grams per pound. Agree, autos suck.
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Only reasons I can see to grow autos is having only one indoor grow space and having plants in different stages, and growing outdoors year round. Maybe if I wanted a specific strain and couldn’t find it in anything but auto, but likely I wouldn’t then either. Maybe as an experiment just to say I grew one
 
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Powertech said:
Only reasons I can see to grow autos is having only one indoor grow space and having plants in different stages, and growing outdoors year round. Maybe if I wanted a specific strain and couldn’t find it in anything but auto, but likely I wouldn’t then either. Maybe as an experiment just to say I grew one
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Yes I agree. Perpetual grows and mid summer harvests are the only advantage I can see.
 
.Smoke

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Hempire828 said:
Looks good man..9 sq vs 16sq... ok more light it is...I’m gonna try a 400 hps..along w/315 3k..& grab a 6 in fan & filter combo.. while at it... I don’t have more room unless I go back into closet... temps are good in garage now.. thanks... planning my next grow now...
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You could always go with a 600w and keep it turned down if needed.
Not much more$

Just worried you might find the cmh way over powering the hps.

From light company tests and equations I figure my cmh= 500w hps.

Using a Lux meter with bulb type factored in, 32k Lux from CMH = 42.5k Lux from HPS.

I found this info very helpful in converting Lux ro PAR with different lights.

HPS- Lux# × .012= PAR.

Ex.
Lux reads 42,500.
So for HPS
42,500×.012= 510 PAR

For CMH its .015
So CMH
34,000x.015= 510 PAR.

MH is .014.
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Hope that helps!
 
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Powertech

Powertech

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Father Ramirez said:
Good catch. Stoned math - so sorry I’m off by almost half. But a good harvest nonetheless
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If I had access to unlimited plants but still had to use the space I have now, I’d still never veg less than a month minimum. A million tiny plants with flower means 4-5 million tiny popcorn buds to trim, no thanks
 
kwigybo88

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35w per sq. foot is too low for a CMH or HPS. 4000k isnt great for flowering either.

Next round I would suggest adding more light and ditching the soil. Coco is a piece of piss and if fed 3-4 times a day with a simple pump and manifold your yields will go through the roof.
 
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Hempire828 said:
Yeah I thought 315 for 3x3 was enough... will most definitely double up pronto..temp should be ok if I run at night..also ordering 3k bulb... now..good looking out fellas.. I need that pound next go around..
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Why not mix in some cobs or quantum boards? Not much heat and would make a nice spectrum. I also agree with above poster that 4k is not the ideal spectrum for full cycle growing. Works, just not ideal. I'm a huge 3k fan myself. 1 timber is 3500k and the other is 3000k. Definitely notice bigger flowers under the 3k spectrum. Just my personal experience. Ymmv.
 
Southside112

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coreywebster said:
Not arguing about the light, though I think a 315 in a 3x3 is enough to pull a pound or more. More light is nicer if you can manage it.
But you cant hit high numbers without filling that space and training to get the most out of your canopy.

That's where I would start.
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You ain't getting no pound off 315w cmh in a 3x3 under most circumstances. Maybe hydro. My guess top end is probably 10-12 ounces. Again ymmv.
 
Lucky Luke

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coreywebster said:
Not arguing about the light, though I think a 315 in a 3x3 is enough to pull a pound or more. More light is nicer if you can manage it.
But you cant hit high numbers without filling that space and training to get the most out of your canopy.

That's where I would start.
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Agreed 100%.



Those knocking your light OP are IMO wrong. Then mentioning a 400w hps? lol
 
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