What's Will All The Religion Hatred?

peace would give the impression that we are both right, (religious and non-religious) and without a dialogue we will never know. so what if there is some argument here and there, it makes for good entertainments and sheds light on what people believe are bullet-proof ideas. what cannot stand on its own should be left alone.

eye exaggerate said:

Pie Jesu Domine, dona eis requiem

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Your words reminded me of one of the greatest requiems I've ever heard. Take the time to listen to this, it's so beautiful and the boy soloist's voice is ethereal...

[video=youtube;wtg7XjNGTk0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtg7XjNGTk0[/video]

mindphuk said:

Sad that some people actually believe the tower of babel story is actually true. God is scared of a tower shorter than our modern skyscrapers but does nothing to prevent us from going into space?

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God was not scared??? IDK why you make those assumptions, God fears no man, and would have no reason to do that. Making up things like that just make no one to believe you and destroys the efficacy of yourself.

RebelMan said:

God was not scared??? IDK why you make those assumptions, God fears no man, and would have no reason to do that. Making up things like that just make no one to believe you and destroys the efficacy of yourself.

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A LOTR quote might be à propos here. I - am - no - MAN! ~swings sword~
cn

RebelMan said:

God was not scared??? IDK why you make those assumptions, God fears no man, and would have no reason to do that. Making up things like that just make no one to believe you and destroys the efficacy of yourself.

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Make some sense please. Are you asking if god was scared? What assumptions did I make? I'm going by the text in Genesis. If you have another reason that god was 'worried' about children of man not having anything restrained from them, then I am open to your interpretation but don't come here and act like I just made it up.

RebelMan said:

God was not scared??? IDK why you make those assumptions, God fears no man, and would have no reason to do that. Making up things like that just make no one to believe you and destroys the efficacy of yourself.

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Straight from Genesis 11:
But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. [SUP]6 [/SUP]The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”


So, if he wasn't in some way intimidated by man, why was he concerned about mankind having no limits? Seeing as he is supposed to be all-knowing, and allegedly created us; how are any of mankind's abilities shocking? Why would god have to pull a tactical move like that, if we didn't scare him?

Very interesting. This stuff is the key I think. God does not want us to figure it out.

Here's another.

"And after the sixth part, he rested."

Hardly all powerful, to need rest and need to take steps to block us. There are more, to be sure. Let's make a list. BTW, not much of a block really. I have a unversal translator on my iPhone.

I've been wondering for some time; if a man can only marry a woman, and vice versa. Who do hermaphrodites get to marry? Surely god thought of them. The other one is the ridiculous variety that people come in, yet we are all made "in god's image". How does that work?

The mark of Cain is another good one. There were only 3 people in the world when god marked Cain: Cain, Adam, and Eve. What was the point of marking him? It's not like there were other people to kill him in his wanderings.

Then there's the issue of genetic diversity. If we all came from two people, how do we get so much diversity? Look what inbreeding does now, how did they avoid this issue then? We are all the product of rather severe incest, according to the bible.

God has made man, in his own image.

Man's image. We are, you and I more identical than any other two animals would be. Including two dogs. They seem more diverse than they are, btw.

In fact, I've read there is more genetic diversity in the average pack of wild chimpanzee, than there is in the entire human race. Tjhis is the real suprise of decoding the human genome.

Follow back the female passed mitochrondrial-dna and that is what you find, a bottle neck. Only one female line has survived. And another track up the dna will show that She has only one male line that survived. Maybe 70,000 years ago, on a much different shore of East Africa. Us humans were forced out of the Garden, by Wrath, maybe by volcano, across to the Saudi. At that time, and because of that time, the population was reduced to a very dangerous bottleneck. Someone invent a boat thing!

Perhaps, as few as a thousand and we, only us, survived. So, I don't want to say this all is false, I want to know why there is a story about. I do know that oral tadition is much more infallible, than wirtten words. It has to be memorized, word for word, and never altered.

Doer said:

God has made man, in his own image.

Man's image. We are, you and I more identical than any other two animals would be. Including two dogs. They seem more diverse than they are, btw.

In fact, I've read there is more genetic diversity in the average pack of wild chimpanzee, than there is in the entire human race. Tjhis is the real suprise of decoding the human genome.

Follow back the female passed mitochrondrial-dna and that is what you find, a bottle neck. Only one female line has survived. And another track up the dna will show that She has only one male line that survived. Maybe 70,000 years ago, on a much different shore of East Africa. Us humans were forced out of the Garden, by Wrath, maybe by volcano, across to the Saudi. At that time, and because of that time, the population was reduced to a very dangerous bottleneck. Someone invent a boat thing!

Perhaps, as few as a thousand and we, only us, survived. So, I don't want to say this all is false, I want to know why there is a story about. I do know that oral tadition is much more infallible, than wirtten words. It has to be memorized, word for word, and never altered.

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The mitochondrial eve and her male contemporary did not live at the same time. All that common female link means is that the other descendants have no direct relatives on the woman's side alive today. At least, that's how I understood it. That was not the only woman around at the time. Genetic diversity at all is counter to the "made in god's image" bit, as far as I can tell.

Yes, I was trying to establish that by refering to the lines and not an actual marriage. Thanks. No they were not in the same generation at all, that's right. If you are taking about generations after generations of only a few thousand scattered around, trying to be fruitful. And of those that remain today from only one genetic Adam and from only one genetic Eve. That is pretty weird it ended up this way when we figured it out. This pair of lines are the only genes that were strong enough to survive. Kinda heavy, really.

Of these few thousands left that tried to slowly populate the earth over the ages, only this little close family of Man survives. That's weird, but to see there is a story from that very region which would eventually cradle the Messpotamian settlememts, and woud have the cultural memory to know about it. That is very interesting, right? Something even close to what is suggested in the dna track is fantastic to me!

It doesn't prove or disprove anything. Like the Flood there is the oral tradition from the region. And that becomes the stories and that becomes the religion. As a tribe we keep the knowledge until we write it down. Then it is not memorized any more, alas, it's ediited. But, survival of the fittest is written in the genes of this tiny village of in-breeds on this tiny world.

kpmarine said:

The mitochondrial eve and her male contemporary did not live at the same time. All that common female link means is that the other descendants have no direct relatives on the woman's side alive today. At least, that's how I understood it. That was not the only woman around at the time. Genetic diversity at all is counter to the "made in god's image" bit, as far as I can tell.

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Interesting. i read Doer's post with the same critical eye, and was gratified that he presented it evenly. Many believe the bottleneck had to do with a small-scale extinction event centered on the Toba supervolcanic eruption of approx. 72000 BCE.
It's very possible, in a population that encountered one or more bottleneckings down to about a thousand individuals, for a maternal line to end up taking over. Allomaternal lines could have survived for thousands of years, but inexorable chance capped all but the one. cn

cannabineer said:

Interesting. i read Doer's post with the same critical eye, and was gratified that he presented it evenly. Many believe the bottleneck had to do with a small-scale extinction event centered on the Toba supervolcanic eruption of approx. 72000 BCE.
It's very possible, in a population that encountered one or more bottleneckings down to about a thousand individuals, for a maternal line to end up taking over. Allomaternal lines could have survived for thousands of years, but inexorable chance capped all but the one. cn

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There's way too much fascinating stuff in the world, and not nearly enough time to learn it all.