When do you get a soul??

Moebius said:
You keep, focusing on the part where I stated the 'rationalists' when I said 'Rationalist' and 'athiests'



Atheist contend there is no God.
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Tiny correction: atheists don't believe there is a god; it's a much softer stance. To believe that there is no god adds positivism to the mix. I got hung up on that one previously as well, and prefer the term "antitheist" for the positivists. Imo they have moved into contrarian dogma upon embracing the positivist bit. cn

<edit> Tyler said it simpler.
 
There is a huge difference in not believing in god, and knowing there isn't a god. The latter would be put into the same group as the theists, claiming certainty in the absence of it, which is insanity combined with delusion.
 
Moebius said:
I also qualified the statement by not saying ALL atheists and rationalist, I didnt even say MOST, I said MANY
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tyler.durden said:
This is only a very small subset of atheists that claim there is definitively no god, which requires some faith. Atheists simply do not believe in a god...
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Im actually thinking of King Athesist Richard Dawkins and his ilk.... tbh, I specifically had him in mind. but this is a little of what wiki says about it

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[SUP][[/SUP]

The term atheism originated from the Greek &#7940;&#952;&#949;&#959;&#962; (atheos), meaning "without god(s)"
 
When you hear Dawkins speak he contends the belief in a god is utterly absurd and claims there is NO GOD
 
Zaehet Strife said:
There is a huge difference in not believing in god, and knowing there isn't a god. The latter would be put into the same group as the theists, claiming certainty in the absence of it, which is insanity combined with delusion.
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yes but I said that a few posts ago. and is the thrust of my argument.
 
cannabineer said:
The point was ... Dawkins isn't here. I don't think you can have a surrogate argument with him using any of us. cn
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Well if you scour 'my' posts I construct my arguments without naming anyone. I don't know you well enough to presume you thoughts.
I mention Dawkins now because I feel its relevent, hope that OK.

in an article in 2009 .. Stated ' Why there certainly is NO god' ... I merely mention him because he's probably the most well known atheist.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dawkins/why-there-almost-certainl_b_32164.html
 
Moebius said:
When you hear Dawkins speak he contends the belief in a god is utterly absurd and claims there is NO GOD
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He does not say this. He rates himself a 6 on a 1-7 scale where 1 is absolute belief in a god, and 7 being absolutely sure there is no god. He does go on to say that he is also a 6 on fairies, gremlins, and gnomes. He knows he can't disprove the existence of any of these...
 
Moebius said:
Well if you scour 'my' posts I construct my arguments without naming anyone. I don't know you well enough to presume you thoughts.
I mention Dawkins now because I feel its relevent, hope that OK.

in an article in 2009 .. Stated ' Why there certainly is NO god' ... I merely mention him because he's probably the most well known atheist.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-dawkins/why-there-almost-certainl_b_32164.html
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You misrepresented the title of the article that you posted, didn't think anyone would click on your link?

[h=1]Why There Almost Certainly Is No God[/h]
 
tyler.durden said:
You misrepresented the title of the article that you posted, didn't think anyone would click on your link?

Why There Almost Certainly Is No God
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Youre a complete douche .... I put the link there so peeps would click it.

This thread is has got real heavy under the shear weight of pedants and trolls. I'm not arguing because I like arguments. I'm trying to understand what people believe and in turn explore my own thoughts.

If ALL you want to just argue for its own sake go and take that shit elsewhere.
 
Moebius said:
Youre a complete douche .... I put the link there so peeps would click it.

This thread is has got real heavy under the shear weight of pedants and trolls. I'm not arguing because I like arguments. I'm trying to understand what people believe and in turn explore my own thoughts.

If ALL you want to just argue for its own sake go and take that shit elsewhere.
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Pointing out a random grammatical or spelling mistake is pedantry.
Pointing out an incorrectness is not pedantry, but simple rational hygiene. My opinion.

I was unable to find the positive statement which you accused Dawkins of making in the article you linked. Is saying so pedantry? If you continue to believe so, we disagree. cn
 
cannabineer said:
Pointing out a random grammatical or spelling mistake is pedantry.
Pointing out an incorrectness is not pedantry, but simple rational hygiene. My opinion.

I was unable to find the positive statement which you accused Dawkins of making in the article you linked. Is saying so pedantry? If you continue to believe so, we disagree. cn
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I was referring to accusing me of intentionally posting a link and misrepresenting it because I didnt think it would be clicked.

IMO ... The constant nickpicking equates to trolling.
 
Moebius said:
Youre a complete douche .... I put the link there so peeps would click it.

This thread is has got real heavy under the shear weight of pedants and trolls. I'm not arguing because I like arguments. I'm trying to understand what people believe and in turn explore my own thoughts.

If ALL you want to just argue for its own sake go and take that shit elsewhere.
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I'm only pointing out errors, which is what I expect from others when I post here. You may want to admit when you make an error, or people may think that you're intentionally deceptive. Of all the words you could have left out of the article's title, you just happened to leave out the all important, 'Almost', which if left in proved my point, not yours. If you really want to explore your own thoughts, you may want to drop the pretense and be more honest...
 
If I error, correct me by all means. Accusing me of intentionally misrepresenting a position is'nt helping move the debate on..

Anyways, Ive nothing to add atm. Time to water hempy's.
 
Moebius said:
I was referring to accusing me of intentionally posting a link and misrepresenting it because I didnt think it would be clicked.

IMO ... The constant nickpicking equates to trolling.
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I disagree, that's not a minor point...

It relies on the premise that Dawkins claims absolute certainty no God exists, when he doesn't.

I don't think that's nitpicking, but it doesn't really matter. The point is, most rational people, skeptics, don't claim any kind of 'absolute certainty' because they know it's an irrational stance to take.
 
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