When do you get a soul??

cannabineer · Jun 22, 2012

eye exaggerate said:
...I was saying that evolution 'is truth'. I have no doubt about what I can see. Who came up with the idea in the first place? I guess that's where I'm at.

Maybe the idea ... just ... ohnevermind.

cn

Moebius · Jun 22, 2012

mindphuk said:
It would be more accurate to say a single type of cell. Natural selection works on populations and we now know that many single cells can transfer and share genetic material without creating a new cell.

No, I meant a single cell. All life originated from a single parent cell. ..... analogous to the singularity of Big bang theorem

again one of the unanswerables

cannabineer · Jun 22, 2012

Moebius said:
No, I meant a single cell. All life originated from a single parent cell. ..... analogous the the singularity of Big bang theorem

It's quite possible that several independent lines merged at separate reverse-branching points to produce the index lifeform that underlies our current tree of life. That would be not singular, and at this time there's no way to reconstruct that part of biogenesis. cn

Moebius · Jun 22, 2012

cannabineer said:
It's quite possible that several independent lines merged at separate reverse-branching points to produce the index lifeform that underlies our current tree of life. That would be not singular, and at this time there's no way to reconstruct that part of biogenesis. cn

I understand and concur.

I retract that .... Im still unpicking the wordage.

Moebius · Jun 22, 2012

There are lots of theories of the origin from Panspermia to Abiogenesis to the garden of Eden. I should say I believe its probable that it originated from a single cell.

eye exaggerate · Jun 22, 2012

cannabineer said:
Maybe the idea ... just ... ohnevermind. cn

...you're getting lots of likes from me lately, totally nuts

eye exaggerate · Jun 22, 2012

Moebius said:
appears to move both clockwise and counter-clockwise

...persssssssssssssspective

mindphuk · Jun 22, 2012

Moebius said:
There are lots of theories of the origin from Panspermia to Abiogenesis to the garden of Eden. I should say I believe its probable that it originated from a single cell.

Yet most scientists that study this problem disagree with your assessment. Horizontal gene transfer relegates the hypothesis of a single cell for all life quite improbable.

cannabineer · Jun 22, 2012

eye exaggerate said:
...you're getting lots of likes from me lately, totally nuts

I'm not complaining! cn

jessy koons · Jun 22, 2012

eye exaggerate said:
...is evolution truth?

Does truth evolve?

Padawanbater2 · Jun 22, 2012

jessy koons said:
Does truth evolve?

Truth is a human concept. Facts evolve with new evidence and what's objectively true relies on those facts.

Doer · Jun 22, 2012

cannabineer said:
It's not slavery; it's trickle-down citizenship. What; don't you love your country? cn

We trickle down to all who reach the shore, even the chosen, but it seems a lot more like Amimal Farm or Brave New World, than the Bible, to me.

Doer · Jun 22, 2012

Zaehet Strife said:
Doer, when the brain dies so does the organic material that sends the electrical signals to our brains to keep our memories from ceasing to exist. If our memories "die" when our brains do, wound that not also mean that "we" die too, if memory is what makes us, US?

Either way, this does not change the fact that science is what we can actually experience in reality with our sense perceptions (the closest we can get to what is real) and religion is what we experience within our imagination without basis in this reality (the closest we can get to what we WANT to be real).

(ditto near death fear emotions).

Science is good. I have mixed feelings about religion in the scope of history, as a force of history. But, I can see what they are trying to express when I go the root of the religions. And I can see what us pitiful monkey brains can do with that. I'm not at all concerned with "after death." Everything that is me, will be gone. No chance identity will survive. Perpostous indeed, to think there is anything but Now.

Yes, the is no identity, it's memory, and will have to cease. Perhaps, quantum science somehow can show non-physical information persistence. Still there is the "I'm dead" problem.

I believe it was you who mention, in trippy, that though mindless and thoughtless there was still awareness of Self.

Can you imagine Self with no Identity, no Physicality, non-Causal? Can we imagine self awareness, uncoupled?

Moebius · Jun 22, 2012

Padawanbater2 said:
Truth is a human concept. Facts evolve with new evidence and what's objectively true relies on those facts.

The truth is what lies behind the curtain at the end of the yellow brick road.

Zaehet Strife · Jun 22, 2012

Padawanbater2 said:
Truth is a human concept. Facts evolve with new evidence and what's objectively true relies on those facts.

Plus Rep, well said Pad. Impressed.

Doer · Jun 22, 2012

I can't help but think there is another kind of Truth. And what else is there but human concepts?

If we turn on a light in the room, everyone can see. But, we still can't define exactly what is illuminated and how this uncertainty can exist. So, that kind of Truth is not scientific fact. I can simply explain the revelation of the room somewhat, within known science. The Truth/Room is still Present.

I sometimes wonder, what if there was Proof of God? A scientific basis that explains the entire puzzle of what created us, and guides us and guards us. Many would say, yes, that is God. Un-deniable. It is God.

And many would say, no. That just proves that the universe or a giant space alien is Omin-All, it created us, it loves us and has the power to shape our lives. Not God.

We are only hunan concepts with big dreams.

Jogro · Jun 22, 2012

If you believe in such a thing as a "soul" it *HAS* to be imbued into the baby at conception.

That's when the baby develops its own unique DNA signature, and becomes its own living thing (not "independent" per se, but certainly "alive").

It can't be at "birth" because the baby doesn't "know" when its going to be born. In fact, pretty much at any point in time after 34 week, the baby "could" be born, with a C-section at the least.

Moebius · Jun 22, 2012

Doer said:
That just proves that the universe or a giant space alien is Omin-All, it created us, it loves us and has the power to shape our lives. Not God.

We are only hunan concepts with big dreams.

I've heard of the Hunans. They're badass

cannabineer · Jun 22, 2012

Doer said:
I can't help but think there is another kind of Truth. And what else is there but human concepts?

That is the basis of human faith imo/ime.

If we turn on a light in the room, everyone can see. But, we still can't define exactly what is illuminated and how this uncertainty can exist. So, that kind of Truth is not scientific fact. I can simply explain the revelation of the room somewhat, within known science. The Truth/Room is still Present.

I sometimes wonder, what if there was Proof of God? A scientific basis that explains the entire puzzle of what created us, and guides us and guards us. Many would say, yes, that is God. Un-deniable. It is God.

And many would say, no. That just proves that the universe or a giant space alien is Omin-All, it created us, it loves us and has the power to shape our lives. Not God.

We are only hunan concepts with big dreams.

~can't resist~
I'm more Szechwan myself. cn

Moebius · Jun 22, 2012

I can tell you someone who's praying now for sure, Jerry Sandusky.... Jury verdict due in minutes.

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