When Forum Moderators Abuse Their Powers...

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MrMcpot

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Okay, so I was in IRC earlier today. People who know me know that I rarely go into IRC but they also know that I've been a member of this forum for awhile and I am almost never involved in any sort of conflict with other members or mods.

Today was different, however. The moment I joined IRC I joined in a conversation about medical marijuana laws. The trolls were apparently out in full-force as evidenced when I joined in and talked about laws in Washington state. Of course, one of them immediately responded with 'hahaha we don't really care'. I ignored him anyway, while for whatever reason he attempted to shit on everything I said afterward obviously just intent on picking an internets fight. Not surprisingly, he spoke like a 4chan member going on about furries and such as if they're even an issue in a marijuana IRC chatroom but I guess twelve year olds think this sort of thing is cool or whatever.

At some point the conversation turned to intelligence when I mentioned the politicians think that the American people are stupid and then I mentioned how scientists have said that they believe that homosapiens are evolving and the next iteration will be more intelligent and physically attractive. Then I said verbatim, "but there will always be stupid people who'd rather jump off a bridge than read a book" and I mentioned redneck wannabe nascar drivers as being the stereotype for this. The trolls and moderator YourLocal420 didn't like this at all. They somehow inferred that I meant that all nascar fans and/or nascar drivers are rednecks and I tried to explain the nature of stereotypes and how just because most rednecks want to be race car drivers doesn't mean that all race car drivers or fans are rednecks but they weren't having it. I was silenced for 5 min and after brooding untilI I was able to come back I basically said rednecks exist, get over it. Stereotypes can be applied to every single culture that exists and it doesn't mean that everyone fits those. Stereotypes are simply common behaviors exhibited by a given group.

Trolls such as Delusional, MrHemp-whatever, and phx didn't like this. They began calling me names such as MrMcdouche, saying things like 'and who're you to say that" etc. So I told them who I am. I am a selfmade journalist and genius with a 9th grade formal education who has written articles featured on the NORML blog, four front-page stories for the local paper and dozens of smaller articles since July of last year. I write about quantum physics (mechanics of non-locality, time and space, the philosophical implications of quantum physics), philosophy, politics, marijuana law reform, and much more. I am also currently competing for an award from the Pulitzer foundation.

They liked this even less and so they began insulting journalism and journalists, being generally inflammatory, writing things like "you ain't shit here we grow better than yours, my penis is larger hurdur" in all caps and so forth and I told one of the trolls that I didn't care what he thought, and I told him to suck something. Yes sir, I sure did. Then I was banned by YourLocal420 who cited 'Staff abuse'. Not really fair. He was one of the people outraged by what I said about rednecks, silencing me saying that he'd had enough of my generalizations (never mind the fact that I wasn't generalizing anything but stupid peoiple and even then I acknowledged that it doesn't apply to everyone) Up until I said what I said, I actually hadn't called anyone in there a name, unlike my opposition who had already resorted to such juvenile tactics. So a moderator with some insecurity issues decided to ban a journalist from IRC, because he made a kinda-sorta-maybe off-colored remark about rednecks liking nascar? Gee, that sure is reasonable. I sure hope the people who run this site aren't condoning such gross misconduct and abuse of administrator priveledges on the part of moderators who allow the troll population to grow exponentially under their watch.

Let us not forget that stupidity is exactly what bred prohibition so I can't believe that anyone who is serious about fighting it can be so narrow minded but it's whatever. He abused his power because he thought that what I said applied to him. Who knows, maybe it did. Only he could answer that question but there are some complete IRC logs that will vindicate me, and expose his wrongdoing for what it was. Miscommunication? Perhaps. But it still doesn't justify the double standard.

I'd really like some justice from administrators by 1) removing the ban and 2) Issuing some sort of verbal disciplinary warning to the moderator who abused his power. Dunno if I'll get those things, but that is exactly what I am petitioning for.

I have seen way more nasty flamewars go on here in which BOTH parties went unpunished. There is absolutely no justification for this sort of behavior at all. There are some journalists who'd take the oppurtunity to write a blistering editorial about RIU, especially ones as involved in the cannabis community as I am (Rolli, you can speak to GT or intri if you want to find out who I am, just keep it between us) but I'm not like that. I like this site. I usually like the people on it and I usually like the people running it. I just don't have the time or desire to be a vindictive asshat. All I am asking is for some consideration. Please make right this wrong.



Peace.
 

Merlin11

New Member
Okay, so I was in IRC earlier today. People who know me know that I rarely go into IRC but they also know that I've been a member of this forum for awhile and I am almost never involved in any sort of conflict with other members or mods.

Today was different, however. The moment I joined IRC I joined in a conversation about medical marijuana laws. The trolls were apparently out in full-force as evidenced when I joined in and talked about laws in Washington state. Of course, one of them immediately responded with 'hahaha we don't really care'. I ignored him anyway, while for whatever reason he attempted to shit on everything I said afterward obviously just intent on picking an internets fight. Not surprisingly, he spoke like a 4chan member going on about furries and such as if they're even an issue in a marijuana IRC chatroom but I guess twelve year olds think this sort of thing is cool or whatever.

At some point the conversation turned to intelligence when I mentioned the politicians think that the American people are stupid and then I mentioned how scientists have said that they believe that homosapiens are evolving and the next iteration will be more intelligent and physically attractive. Then I said verbatim, "but there will always be stupid people who'd rather jump off a bridge than read a book" and I mentioned redneck wannabe nascar drivers as being the stereotype for this. The trolls and moderator YourLocal420 didn't like this at all. They somehow inferred that I meant that all nascar fans and/or nascar drivers are rednecks and I tried to explain the nature of stereotypes and how just because most rednecks want to be race car drivers doesn't mean that all race car drivers or fans are rednecks but they weren't having it. I was silenced for 5 min and after brooding untilI I was able to come back I basically said rednecks exist, get over it. Stereotypes can be applied to every single culture that exists and it doesn't mean that everyone fits those. Stereotypes are simply common behaviors exhibited by a given group.

Trolls such as Delusional, MrHemp-whatever, and phx didn't like this. They began calling me names such as MrMcdouche, saying things like 'and who're you to say that" etc. So I told them who I am. I am a selfmade journalist and genius with a 9th grade formal education who has written articles featured on the NORML blog, four front-page stories for the local paper and dozens of smaller articles since July of last year. I write about quantum physics (mechanics of non-locality, time and space, the philosophical implications of quantum physics), philosophy, politics, marijuana law reform, and much more. I am also currently competing for an award from the Pulitzer foundation.

They liked this even less and so they began insulting journalism and journalists, being generally inflammatory, writing things like "you ain't shit here we grow better than yours, my penis is larger hurdur" in all caps and so forth and I told one of the trolls that I didn't care what he thought, and I told him to suck something. Yes sir, I sure did. Then I was banned by YourLocal420 who cited 'Staff abuse'. Not really fair. He was one of the people outraged by what I said about rednecks, silencing me saying that he'd had enough of my generalizations (never mind the fact that I wasn't generalizing anything but stupid peoiple and even then I acknowledged that it doesn't apply to everyone) Up until I said what I said, I actually hadn't called anyone in there a name, unlike my opposition who had already resorted to such juvenile tactics. So a moderator with some insecurity issues decided to ban a journalist from IRC, because he made a kinda-sorta-maybe off-colored remark about rednecks liking nascar? Gee, that sure is reasonable. I sure hope the people who run this site aren't condoning such gross misconduct and abuse of administrator priveledges on the part of moderators who allow the troll population to grow exponentially under their watch.

Let us not forget that stupidity is exactly what bred prohibition so I can't believe that anyone who is serious about fighting it can be so narrow minded but it's whatever. He abused his power because he thought that what I said applied to him. Who knows, maybe it did. Only he could answer that question but there are some complete IRC logs that will vindicate me, and expose his wrongdoing for what it was. Miscommunication? Perhaps. But it still doesn't justify the double standard.

I'd really like some justice from administrators by 1) removing the ban and 2) Issuing some sort of verbal disciplinary warning to the moderator who abused his power. Dunno if I'll get those things, but that is exactly what I am petitioning for.

I have seen way more nasty flamewars go on here in which BOTH parties went unpunished. There is absolutely no justification for this sort of behavior at all. There are some journalists who'd take the oppurtunity to write a blistering editorial about RIU, especially ones as involved in the cannabis community as I am (Rolli, you can speak to GT or intri if you want to find out who I am, just keep it between us) but I'm not like that. I like this site. I usually like the people on it and I usually like the people running it. I just don't have the time or desire to be a vindictive asshat. All I am asking is for some consideration. Please make right this wrong.



Peace.
I feel for you bro. I am being put through it now as well and found myself being pulled into there little repugnantCon ( cant anyone here see my little play on words? geezs?) traps. Ill not make that mistake again. Iam afraid we will have no luck finding equity here. Peace
 

MrMcpot

Well-Known Member
Yeah I'm surprised they don't ban the troublemakers but I guess they don't because at least one moderator apparently identifies with them.

I just kinda let them suck me in. For what it's worth, I don't think YourLocal420 was one of the trolls. He just misunderstood a remark I made and thought it applied to him. Instead of letting me explain myself he decided to be unresponsive, then he just sorta stood back and allowed the trolls to do their work. Maybe he legitimately thought I was talking to him when I said what I said (hence the staff abuse) but I doubt it. He was just butthurt and instead of being reasonable he jumped on the excuse that he was looking for and took immediate action. A little bit of 'distorting the truth' like that wouldn't be beyond the narrow mind he has displayed. In fact, it would fit his psychological profile pretty well based on the data that I have accumulated.

Admins may do something but it depends on how objective they are and how close they are to YourLocal420. I don't know the big dogs well enough to call that one. Usually, forum moderators are all pretty tight and most people don't like standing up to their friends which means that disrespectful mods are often given a pass as the admin pretends not to know anything about what is going on. It's still possible they'll handle it though. Just not probable based on what we call 'the norms'.

BTW that statement was about as stereotypical and offensive as my redneck statement. So either I need to be banned from the forum or else someone else is being genuinely unreasonable.
 

Merlin11

New Member
Yeah I'm surprised they don't ban the troublemakers but I guess they don't because at least one moderator apparently identifies with them.

I only know of one moderator that I think dosent identifiy with them and Iam not sure about him. I have a intuition that most if not all of the rest of the moderators here DO identify with these guys as they are one of them.
 

TeaTreeOil

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You're on the wrong site if you desire intellectual discussion. Just a bunch of us redneck NASCAR lovers on RIU. :lol:

I agree with you! This site (I have never visited their IRC chat, for I had expectations of what you have described) has deplorable moderation(I do not speak for any moderators specifically, but categorically, the sum total, if you will). Highly inconsistent, and often completely against 'the spirit' of the forum rules. Even then, the rules seem highly arbitrarily enforced and selectively applicable.
 

MrMcpot

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BTW I just wanted to briefly talk about the awesomeness that is Blue Cheese. I know I shouldn't have, but a few days ago I sampled a branch and that stuff is AMAZING! Firstly, when I rubbed one of the smaller leafs that are near the buds between my fingers and smelled my hands, they smelled like blueberry muffins! I've never in my life seen anything like it. Then the smoke was nuts. I microwave quick-dried that branch and smoked it in a joint. The first hit was met with tingling in my head. I could already feel it kicking in and then I knew I was in for a ride. The stuff is very trippy but also extremely euphoric. I kept seeing things flying across the room, like tiny bugs or something, but the shit was just that trippy. I mean, I couldn't see anything clearly it just looked like there was some movement that was consistent with a bug darting across the room real fast. The high also lasted over 4 hours. Crappier 'mid-grade' pot usually lasts between 1 and a half and 3 hours. This stuff seemed more like 5-6, which is pretty nice.

Can't wait till this stuff is done. 'Bout 3 weeks left to go.
 

MrMcpot

Well-Known Member
They'll be 5 weeks next Tuesday. They're looking much more developed than previous plants I grew at 5 weeks.
 

MrMcpot

Well-Known Member
Well part of it is likely genetics but I am also doing some things differently. Firstly, my last grows were done exclusively under floro tubes for a time. The first grow was started and finished under those and the second was flowered for the first 4 weeks under them. Now they've been receiving much more light at a much greater intensity. Additionally, they are in much larger containers so there is alot more room for the roots to develop. The last grow was in 3 liter bottles (less than a gallon of soil) and considering the fact that they were both between 1 and 2 feet tall the roots just didn't have room and so I am convinced that growth was stunted. ATM I am using 3 gallon grow bags but I have modified them to hold only 2 gallons of soil.Most of my plants are between 2.7 and 3.5 feet tall, acluding the small skunk #1 that is closer to 1.5 ft. I know thats less soil than I should have used but I think they'll pull through. Whatever happens, they should all yield more than my previous plant. Hoping the 2gal of soil won't severely adversely impact my overall yield.
 

Chiceh

Global Mod, Stoner Chic
I take offence to the negative moderator comments being thrown around in here. You can't say we all like that. The reason you were banned was for calling the moderator names. That is not the way that chat is run when I am in there. Respect goes both ways.
 

MrMcpot

Well-Known Member
Hold on a second, I did NOT call the moderator names. Somebody please check those IRC chatlogs because they prove this. That is a blatant lie and you were not even present at the time. Now, maybe someone else lied to you but you should ask for logs. Fortunately, I am pretty sure Rolli has access to those on his servers so if he's interested in clearing it up, he can. But thats a lie. I actually didn't call anyone names but I did tell a troll who wasn't a moderator to suck something. I'm not stupid. Calling moderators names is always stupid, no matter how unreasonable they are. If I had done that I wouldn't be complaining about a ban. It's practically asking for one.
 

MrMcpot

Well-Known Member
BTW, lets not forget that your forum members are pretty valuable. The content we contribute brings you traffic, which brings RIU ad revenue and customers to buy hydro supplies so don't kid yourselves, Rolli needs us to function and so do these mods.

I'll mince no words, if there is a group of RIU members who are unhappy with moderators then there is most likely a reason for it. It doesn't matter if you don't like it, if it's true then sooner or later it will need to be addressed. You can't quell dissension just because you don't like it. I can't speak for other cases but in this case I KNOW it is justified.

Usually you're pretty pleasant and friendly to be around but it sure looks like you're exhibiting tight-knit-and-corrupt-moderator syndrome that I mentioned a few posts ago. Some clarification would be nice. Post some logs in their entirety.....unless you have something to hide, that is. Do you have something to hide? Does somebody else have something to hide? Let's lay it all out on the table right now. I don't have logs because I was using the java client that is built into my browser and when I got instabanned I just didn't have enough time to copy everything before the window closed itself, which is what happens when using the browser based java client.
 

Merlin11

New Member
Well part of it is likely genetics but I am also doing some things differently. Firstly, my last grows were done exclusively under floro tubes for a time. The first grow was started and finished under those and the second was flowered for the first 4 weeks under them. Now they've been receiving much more light at a much greater intensity. Additionally, they are in much larger containers so there is alot more room for the roots to develop. The last grow was in 3 liter bottles (less than a gallon of soil) and considering the fact that they were both between 1 and 2 feet tall the roots just didn't have room and so I am convinced that growth was stunted. ATM I am using 3 gallon grow bags but I have modified them to hold only 2 gallons of soil.Most of my plants are between 2.7 and 3.5 feet tall, acluding the small skunk #1 that is closer to 1.5 ft. I know thats less soil than I should have used but I think they'll pull through. Whatever happens, they should all yield more than my previous plant. Hoping the 2gal of soil won't severely adversely impact my overall yield.

Sounds like youll do much better this time. One thing Ive found is the larger the pot and the better soil the bigger the yeld, as long as you have lots of light.
 

CaneCounty305

Active Member
Not trying to start a racial debate but if your replaced the word "redneck" with blacks and replaced the word "NASCAR" with rapper, do you think your comment would have been out of line?
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
BTW, lets not forget that your forum members are pretty valuable. The content we contribute brings you traffic, which brings RIU ad revenue and customers to buy hydro supplies so don't kid yourselves, Rolli needs us to function and so do these mods.

I'll mince no words, if there is a group of RIU members who are unhappy with moderators then there is most likely a reason for it. It doesn't matter if you don't like it, if it's true then sooner or later it will need to be addressed. You can't quell dissension just because you don't like it. I can't speak for other cases but in this case I KNOW it is justified.

Usually you're pretty pleasant and friendly to be around but it sure looks like you're exhibiting tight-knit-and-corrupt-moderator syndrome that I mentioned a few posts ago. Some clarification would be nice. Post some logs in their entirety.....unless you have something to hide, that is. Do you have something to hide? Does somebody else have something to hide? Let's lay it all out on the table right now. I don't have logs because I was using the java client that is built into my browser and when I got instabanned I just didn't have enough time to copy everything before the window closed itself, which is what happens when using the browser based java client.
so we are to please all the people all the time or else a mob will be formed?

sorry, i'll try harder. :sad:
 

fdd2blk

Well-Known Member
i'm watching a replay of todays Subway Jalapeno 250 in Daytona. just started actually. lap 2 as i post this. :hump:
 

MrMcpot

Well-Known Member
Not trying to start a racial debate but if your replaced the word "redneck" with blacks and replaced the word "NASCAR" with rapper, do you think your comment would have been out of line?

Dude, that's ridiculous. Firstly, I am white so don't try and turn this into a racial thing because redneck is not a racial term. According to wikipedia, a redneck is:

An uneducated, unsophisticated, or poor white person, typically used to describe residents of the rural Southern US. A redneck can be a man or a woman; The nickname given to miners who wore red bandanas for identification during the West Virginia mine war of 1921

Stupid and unsophisticated is not a race last I checked. Obviously, white doesn't mean redneck.

Look at this sentence:
Driving drunk is bad

So if I replace "driving drunk" with "black people" and "is" with "are" then the statement is totally racist amirite? So with your logic, I guess that means that saying that driving drunk is bad is a racist remark lol! Guess it doesn't hold that much water, eh? I'm guessing you also think movies such as Talladega Nights with Will Ferrell are racist, even though they parody the stereotype I mentioned. You think the writers made that up? The stereotype existed long before then because it is based on common behaviors exhibited by uneducated and unsophisticated southerners.


>so we are to please all the people all the time or else a mob will be formed?

Um this isn't a mob, this is a peaceful protest and all I am doing is pointing out some wrongdoing on the part of moderators. Please don't act like you're the one who got wronged here.

And yes, you're supposed to please the majority of the people who contribute content to your site. Thanks for yet another illustration of tight-knit-mod syndrome. The irony here is that I even pointed out how most mods are like that, long before you showed up in this thread. They will defend each other and us misdirection to attempt to place blame on everyone else not matter what another moderator did. That is how this works.

I still haven't seen anyone post IRC chatlogs. I wonder if there is something they're trying to conceal....
 
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