When I ask: do you believe literally? I get willful moral and intellectual dissonance

Zaehet Strife said:

I never said any of it was bullshit, when getting into questions and thoughts about theology and metaphysics... things that do not deal with reality, everything has just as much of a chance of being true as it does of being false.. they are unanswerable questions, unless you pretend you have the answers.

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I would say that there is more of a chance of being wrong than right. There is only on right but there can be many wrongs. An infinite number in fact.

All statement of faith, hearsay or book say, all fall into that condition.

Mine is not a statement of faith. It is based on my real experience although I admit it is speculative. It is speculation from fact and knowledge. I have no evidence to show and cannot confirm this and I do not expect or ask for belief. I would not give that either from YPOV.

Do god/gods exist?

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The Gods on offer ad as described are all myth to me. I do not like to use he meaningless title God.The only Godhead I believe in, is a cosmic consciousness.

Do souls exist?

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To me, only as described above. A tool we have that just acts as a transmitter.

Is there an afterlife?

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Yes. Can I proove it? No.

Is this a dream? Is this a computer simulation? Am i really just a brain in a vat? No one knows the answers to these questions DL.

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I am sure you have an opinion and so I. Are we really here or do you live in some Matrics. How much woo would you like o believe.

One thing is that I can live with doubt and uncertainty and not knowing. I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. I have approximate answers and possible beliefs, in different degrees of certainty, about different things. But I'm not absolutely sure of anything and there are many things I don't know anything about, such as whether it means anything to ask why we're here and what the question might mean. I might think about it a little bit, if I can't figure it out, then I go onto something else. But I don't have to know an answer. I don't feel frightened by not knowing things.

At least i don't pretend to know things that i don't really know... even if you refuse to realize that this is exactly what you are doing.

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If you think that that is what I am doing then you are not reading me carefully. I try to divide facts from speculation.

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DL

Is there an afterlife? Yes. Can you prove it? No. Then how can you be certain of the existence of an afterlife, if there is no way to prove it exists?

You claim to divide facts from speculation... but you are doing the exact opposite. When you claim that an afterlife certainly exists, you are speculating, guessing... not presenting a fact.

You don't really know, which is why faith is a requirement in order to believe with certainty that an afterlife exists... which is a poetic expression of;

"I really really want an afterlife to exist, I've had unexplainable experiences that make me think it exists, I want an afterlife to exist so badly in fact, that I am going to ignore that fact that when I am honest with myself I know deep down inside I do not know for sure if an afterlife exist or not, but I am going to ignore that and pretend that I know with certainty that an afterlife exists!"

But i can't convince you, I can't convince a believer of anything... not even to doubt their own beliefs. Because your beliefs are not based on evidence, they are merely based on a deep seated psychological need to believe.

Not knowing can be a scary thing... especially when it deals with the most important questions in our existence. But i think being honest with oneself is more important than feeling comforted. I would rather be truthful and be honest with myself about what I know, than to pretend I know something that I really don't know.

But alas, to each their own.


I want an afterlife to exist and I think an afterlife exists- TRUTHFUL

I know with absolute certainty that an afterlife exists- LYING TO YOURSELF

You did not get that I do not care what you believe about what I believe.
What I believe I offered as on anecdotal rendering. Take it or leave it. I do not care which you choose.

Done on this topic here. Not my game.

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DL

No one said acknowledging the truth within oneself is not painful. Easier to hide from it, easier to pretend to have the answers... than to admit we don't.

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You did not get that I do not care what you believe about what I believe.
What I believe I offered as on anecdotal rendering. Take it or leave it. I do not care which you choose.

Done on this topic here. Not my game.

Regards
DL

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Now if you were to post anywhere else, upon any subject other than your daddy complex with a god...I could see this as truth

MojoRison said:

Now if you were to post anywhere else, upon any subject other than your daddy complex with a god...I could see this as truth

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I see that you do not know my God. You must think I am a Christian. Not.
I am Gnostic Christian. We tend to hate each other so please do not insult me by putting m in their camp.

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DL

Zaehet Strife said:

No one said acknowledging the truth within oneself is not painful. Easier to hide from it, easier to pretend to have the answers... than to admit we don't.

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We are rather good at self-delusion eh.

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DL

Greatest I am said:

I see that you do not know my God. You must think I am a Christian. Not.
I am Gnostic Christian. We tend to hate each other so please do not insult me by putting m in their camp.

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DL

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Personally I don't know of any god, I've read stories about them and their tales are often interwoven, sharing many aspects or traits.

I "put" you nowhere, you've taken that place all on your own...which in of it's self is very telling.

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We are rather good at self-delusion eh.

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DL

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You're right, it is delusional... when you tell yourself you know something for certain... when you really don't.

Zaehet Strife said:

You're right, it is delusional... when you tell yourself you know something for certain... when you really don't.

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Which is what you and others are doing right now.

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DL

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Which is what you and others are doing right now.

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DL

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So you're ascertaining that it's delusional to think that science with all of it's testable conclusions is somehow a fallacy and wish us to kowtow to an idea better suited for the pages of an X-Men comic.

Thanks but no.

MojoRison said:

So you're ascertaining that it's delusional to think that science with all of it's testable conclusions is somehow a fallacy and wish us to kowtow to an idea better suited for the pages of an X-Men comic.

Thanks but no.

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Not my assertion at all. Where in ell do you see such nonsense?

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DL

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Not my assertion at all. Where in ell do you see such nonsense?

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DL

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Dropping the "h" from hell is that a hiccup, a faux pas or just a simple spelling error? Nonsense you say lol.

Time to waste I do not have.

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DL

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Time to waste I do not have.

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DL

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Actions speak louder than words.

And we sure have a lot of threads from you.

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Which is what you and others are doing right now.

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DL

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I am lying to myself when I tell myself you know with certainty that god/gods exist, we have souls, there is an afterlife.

I am honest with myself when i can understand and accept the simple fact that my beliefs on these subjects will always have room for doubt, and they are not certain... because i don't know for certain whether or not anyone of those things really exist. And just because i want them to exist (because i do!) does not mean that i know without a doubt that they do or don't... because i don't know.

You are pretending to know something that you don't really know.
I am accepting the fact that i do not know if they are true, or false... and that just because i want them to be true, does not mean that they are.