When to start counting?

Daylee

Daylee

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If it says 10 weeks of flower
Is it 10 weeks from flip, or 10 weeks from when you see the first buds
 
Lmao yeah this same old question. Ignore anyone with an attitude like taint first of all, because it’s foolish to act that way.

Secondly it’s not specifically 10 weeks, the plants don’t grow by a calendar. There is no real point in worrying about how many weeks because it won’t be done until it’s done. The breeder times are simply guidelines. Focusing to heavily on them won’t help you grow better. It’s much better to focus on how the plant is actually growing and pay attention to the signs the plant gives you.
 
Thundercat said:
Lmao yeah this same old question. Ignore anyone with an attitude like taint first of all, because it’s foolish to act that way.

Secondly it’s not specifically 10 weeks, the plants don’t grow by a calendar. There is no real point in worrying about how many weeks because it won’t be done until it’s done. The breeder times are simply guidelines. Focusing to heavily on them won’t help you grow better. It’s much better to focus on how the plant is actually growing and pay attention to the signs the plant gives you.
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So when would be the right time/sign that i should start the flush and let the plant fade out?
 
taint said:
why is it foolish?
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It’s foolish to be close minded and judgmental.

Biologically flowering begins when the plant starts to form flowers.

When you want to count from is up to you for your records, but there is nothing accurate about counting arbitrarily from the 12/12 point. It takes 1-3 weeks for plants to transition from veg to flower with many variables effecting it. This is a major reason new growers get confused when their plant isn’t done at “8weeks like the breeder said”. You certainly wouldn’t say a plant was flowering outside until it started forming buds, so I really don’t understand why some indoor growers insist on fighting biology and counting from the arbitrary 12/12 point.

I stopped counting weeks years ago because I learned that the plants weren’t growing by a calendar and we’re only done when they were done.

Daylee said:
So when would be the right time/sign that i should start the flush and let the plant fade out?
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The first sign the plant is starting to mature is the stigma turning reddish and shrinking into the buds. Once about 90% of them have done that most plants have 2-3 weeks left still. During those last 2-3 weeks the plant may not appear to be growing much outwardly, but is swelling internally. The bracts will individually swell up and get “fatter”. After roughly 2-3 weeks of swelling and ripening you can check the trichomes and determine the final harvest point based on maturity.

If you want to flush I would not suggest doing it before that last 1-2 weeks. There is no point in starving your plant while it’s trying to fatten up. I did multiple side by side tests with flushing vs not flushing as well as having read extensively on the subject, and I don’t waste my time flushing. It never made any difference in the quality of my buds.

The best tasting and smoking buds come from healthy plants that grown to full maturity and then dried nice and slowly.
 
taint said:
That is adorable and has zero to do with a standard set by the industry long before you came along.
This kind of Gump out for a answer to a simple question is exactly why I said retarded holmes.
keeping a cannabis plant healthy until maturity is EASY it is people like you who try and make it otherwise..........in my opinion of course.
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Lol whatever you say man, you can call names all you want and like a child. I gave a very polite and straight forward response rooted in science, not old hippie logic.

Im not making this plant any harder to grow by teaching people about the signs the plant gives us, or by suggesting the use of scientific logic. I have been thanked countless times for helping people better understand the biology behind the plant they are growing.

Once again I’ll repeat. You can count from whenever you want to because it’s not going to change when the plant finishes, and I don’t care what you do in your garden.
 
Thanks for all the replies guys.
Will keep checking the tricomes and judge by that
Then i will check if it was close to what the breeder said just so i can have a estimate when i should be done
 
Thundercat said:
It’s foolish to be close minded and judgmental.

Biologically flowering begins when the plant starts to form flowers.

When you want to count from is up to you for your records, but there is nothing accurate about counting arbitrarily from the 12/12 point. It takes 1-3 weeks for plants to transition from veg to flower with many variables effecting it. This is a major reason new growers get confused when their plant isn’t done at “8weeks like the breeder said”. You certainly wouldn’t say a plant was flowering outside until it started forming buds, so I really don’t understand why some indoor growers insist on fighting biology and counting from the arbitrary 12/12 point.

I stopped counting weeks years ago because I learned that the plants weren’t growing by a calendar and we’re only done when they were done.



The first sign the plant is starting to mature is the stigma turning reddish and shrinking into the buds. Once about 90% of them have done that most plants have 2-3 weeks left still. During those last 2-3 weeks the plant may not appear to be growing much outwardly, but is swelling internally. The bracts will individually swell up and get “fatter”. After roughly 2-3 weeks of swelling and ripening you can check the trichomes and determine the final harvest point based on maturity.

If you want to flush I would not suggest doing it before that last 1-2 weeks. There is no point in starving your plant while it’s trying to fatten up. I did multiple side by side tests with flushing vs not flushing as well as having read extensively on the subject, and I don’t waste my time flushing. It never made any difference in the quality of my buds.

The best tasting and smoking buds come from healthy plants that grown to full maturity and then dried nice and slowly.
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Btw by flushing i mean giving it just water.
Last time i fed plain water that was about 300ppm and the water running out was at 1100ppm
So if i just give it plain water over the next weeks the ppm will go down slowly right?
Is this the correct way if i wanted my plant to fade in tje last 2 weeks?
 
hillbill said:
My most used breeders do count from flip.
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Breeders take a sample of all different pheno and geno types and tell you the amount in dry per meter squared etc of their best producing variation.

then they tell you flowering times based on the fastest finishing variation they found.

So regardless of whether they count from flip there are too many variables within the same strain type if you grow from seed each time.

2 of the same strain, can grow 2 very different plants producing very different formations, very different dry weights and differing flowering times, different tolerances to environmental variables and nutes etc.

It’s One of the reasons perpetual grows take time to find the mother they like.
Because you might pop 10 seeds looking for one keeper.
But you only it’s a keeper when you’ve flowered some out keeping cuts for your possible mother selection etc.
 
I favor the flip point as it is a common denominator. Some may be capable of spotting sex days sooner than others. Also what about plants that show in veg?

Now let me also say that I don’t harvest by the “days” at all, but by trichs as well as when they stop drinking much (ROLS).
 
hillbill said:
I favor the flip point as it is a common denominator. Some may be capable of spotting sex days sooner than others. Also what about plants that show in veg?

Now let me also say that I don’t harvest by the “days” at all, but by trichs as well as when they stop drinking much (ROLS).
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FYI its not about showing sex, its about the start of bud formation. I ran genetics for 4-5 years at a time that were always showing sex, veg, clones, whatever. They still took 7-10 days to transition into flower before buds started to form.
 
Science really isn’t my point nor do I argue the botany of semi-woody flowering annuals. Just like having a common point of origin for discussion, that’s all.
 
Karma genetics
Neptunes seed bank
Rare dankness
They all replied and all said i should count from flip BUT
Offcourse Look for amber hairs and trichs. Could be earlier or a bit later.. 10 is average.
 
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