Where Are The Pure Sativa Strains At?!

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hazey grapes

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you blamed prohibition on the CURRENT state of the market. explain your THEORY then. i can't think of ANY rational excuse other than greed or obstinance for total afghani domination in illicit markets. if you don't like what i have to say, then just mute me as your condescending tone isn't going to sit well with ME much longer and i'll "lalalalalala!" you myself.
 

poplars

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you blamed prohibition on the CURRENT state of the market. explain your THEORY then. i can't think of ANY rational excuse other than greed or obstinance for total afghani domination in illicit markets. if you don't like what i have to say, then just mute me as your condescending tone isn't going to sit well with ME much longer and i'll "lalalalalala!" you myself.
in a prohibition market, when you are trying to get a product smuggled against the police and shit, it causes sellers to look for something that gives more bang for the buck for a smaller space.

its the same reason why poppy instead of being known for opium is now known for heroin, because heroin packs more punch for the same weight, so it is preferred to smugglers.

the SAME concept, applies to cannabis. indica and afghanis pack a stronger punch in the same weight, thus are more desired.

you can blame greed all you want, but greed would actually prefer sativa to be in the balance, as it could be made money from as an exquisite item. whereas afghani type weed would be more of a generalized item.

either way, the reason it is souly prohibitions fault is this: without the fear produced by law enforcement, causing smugglers to want something smaller that packs a bigger punch so they can sell more and carry less, the selling of weed would be a very different thing.

if there were equal opprotunity branding, an actual LEGALIZED market (don't tell me we have anything remotely legalized now, medical marijuana is decriminalized at best, nowhere near a regulated economic system), sativa would have as much of a chance as the consumers would give it, and the greed would be INDIFFERENT to which one is which, they only care about supply and demand. and because of the whole smuggler mentality, indica will inevitably be more popular UNTIL we can actually ship shit without worrying about fitting as much as we can into a certain package without getting caught.



if that doesn't make any sense to you, I'm done with you, and I will go LA LA LA LA to YOU.
 

hazey grapes

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it causes sellers to look for something that gives more bang for the buck for a smaller space.
oh... so greed isn't greed afterall then... thanks for clearing that up. man what was i thinking equating "the bottom line" with greed?
 

Dizzle Frost

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you blamed prohibition on the CURRENT state of the market. explain your THEORY then. i can't think of ANY rational excuse other than greed or obstinance for total afghani domination in illicit markets. if you don't like what i have to say, then just mute me as your condescending tone isn't going to sit well with ME much longer and i'll "lalalalalala!" you myself.
your so lame...so are your posts
 

poplars

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oh... so greed isn't greed afterall then... thanks for clearing that up. man what was i thinking equating "the bottom line" with greed?
man you are one thick skulled motherfucker. I don't see how hard it is to understand that GREED exists with and without prohibition. and that without prohibition, indica wouldn't be in the position it would be, but GREED would still be there. so you can't really blame greed.

but forget it, if you haven't got it after all this, you wont get it now, this is a fuckin joke.
 

poplars

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look hazey, you got a lot to contribute to this thread.

but this is not gonna be some cult sativa thread, in which we huddle together talk about growing seeded weeds and cry about how indica is the evil abombination to the world and it is the reason we are in this mess.

you can start your OWN thread for that.


if you want to contribute non hating information about sativas and all the information sorrounding that, go for it, but don't fuckin ruin my thread and turn it into some cultish hate thread.
 

Azoned

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My 2 cents...
Cannabinoid profile dictates effect.
From my limited experience, it seems there are tropical sativas and not so tropical ones. Compare [old school] Mexican to Columbian. The Mexican leans toward an indica appearance. I would imagine indicas do the same.
From a consumer/producer point of view...
Indicas are fast and potent, but if you want a truly good sativa, you have to be willing to put 9months into it. Most aren't willing. That's what happened to the "pure" sativas.
 

Bigtacofarmer

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Not to mention how many places outdoors can you grow a 10-20 foot sativa montser to its full glory and finish it in the middle of winter? Between flowering time, size, skill involved, hiding it and then making it past pests, cops, and robbers it just made more sense to put your efforts into something that may actually finish in time and doesn't try to grow 20 feet tall. Thats not greed its simple math. In DJ shorts book he mentions how someday we'll be growing sativas in gymnasiums under 5000 watt bulbs and until then I think most growers just can't afford to go the sativa route. Not to mention pheno selection on 16 week plants, and back up clones and such must be a bitch. Most people I know run one or two lights and very few have tall ceilings to accomadate for the extra growth. I wish someone would offer me a select Nevilles Haze cut or something just as nice, it would be fun to skip the sorting process and try some.
 

poplars

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Not to mention how many places outdoors can you grow a 10-20 foot sativa montser to its full glory and finish it in the middle of winter? Between flowering time, size, skill involved, hiding it and then making it past pests, cops, and robbers it just made more sense to put your efforts into something that may actually finish in time and doesn't try to grow 20 feet tall. Thats not greed its simple math. In DJ shorts book he mentions how someday we'll be growing sativas in gymnasiums under 5000 watt bulbs and until then I think most growers just can't afford to go the sativa route. Not to mention pheno selection on 16 week plants, and back up clones and such must be a bitch. Most people I know run one or two lights and very few have tall ceilings to accomadate for the extra growth. I wish someone would offer me a select Nevilles Haze cut or something just as nice, it would be fun to skip the sorting process and try some.

acclimatization can cause a totally pure sativa to finish on time after 2 or 3 generations of acclimatization of the male and female plant of the genetics.

but of course I expect none of you to actually believe this since most, if not all of you, have no experience in actually acclimatizing strains.
 

althor

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acclimatization can cause a totally pure sativa to finish on time after 2 or 3 generations of acclimatization of the male and female plant of the genetics.

but of course I expect none of you to actually believe this since most, if not all of you, have no experience in actually acclimatizing strains.
I dont have experience with it, but I can certainly believe it. First few generations would require alot of attention I would imagine though.
 

Bigtacofarmer

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Maybe, I don't have any first hand experience but I have a strong feeling if it were that easy people would have tropical sativas growing all over the place. I believe if you are only looking to shave off a few weeks or a month that may be possible with selective breeding but to take a strain that flowers from late July until the middle of January and in 3 generations have it finishing by October would be amazing. Not only that but damn near every breeder out there without a pure sativa has something claiming to capture the "experience" in a reasonable flower time. If that worked this thread wouldn't be very interesting we would know where the pure sativa are and Hazey would have to start raising hell about where did all the good indica go? If I had a dream greenhouse the first thing I would do is fill my sativa void and I'm sure a lot of growers also dream of having the time and space to see what a good sativa is all about. I've been getting and itching to try either some of Shanti's or Ace/Cannabiogen gear and the only thing holding me back is not being able to decide. Also none of the tried and true companies have a pure sativa that finishes in any reasonable time for most of the U.S.. Please show me?
 

poplars

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I dont have experience with it, but I can certainly believe it. First few generations would require alot of attention I would imagine though.
it really is a lot easier than you think.... it basically involves both the male and female of each generation experiencing the extremes of the environment.. and specifically the female has to experience budding for atleast 3 weeks before you pollinate it so it gets a good sense of the environment, knowing it needs to flower earlier next generation.
 

Bigtacofarmer

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So what you are saying is if I went and bought you a few packs of Haze x thai from Ace (flowering time 16-20 week, dec or jan) that in three generations you could make it finish in Michigan, and retain any of the qualitys it was originally selected for? You may sub that strain for a similar one.
 

poplars

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So what you are saying is if I went and bought you a few packs of Haze x thai from Ace (flowering time 16-20 week, dec or jan) that in three generations you could make it finish in Michigan, and retain any of the qualitys it was originally selected for? You may sub that strain for a similar one.
in theory yes. but I must say that the tropical sun is pretty intense, hard to say if the cannabinoid content would be the same.

but yes, because you aren't hybridizing with indica, simple acclimatization within teh strain itself will retain it's characteristics. some areas may take longer to climatize to than others...
 

Brick Top

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acclimatization can cause a totally pure sativa to finish on time after 2 or 3 generations of acclimatization of the male and female plant of the genetics.

but of course I expect none of you to actually believe this since most, if not all of you, have no experience in actually acclimatizing strains.

That is actually true. The original strain that became Romulan was a tall lanky long flowering strain brought back from the Korean War by Canadian soldiers.

They would take the shorter faster flowering phenotypes and breed them and they kept doing that and over time ended up with a short fast flowering plant that was still pretty close high-wise to what the original was. It wasn't exactly the same, but it was close.
 

poplars

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That is actually true. The original strain that became Romulan was a tall lanky long flowering strain brought back from the Korean War by Canadian soldiers.

They would take the shorter faster flowering phenotypes and breed them and they kept doing that and over time ended up with a short fast flowering plant that was still pretty close high-wise to what the original was. It wasn't exactly the same, but it was close.

THANK you for contributing this. I have stories like this from my 60 year old hippie buddy who's been growin for like 36 years, this is the whole reason I got into breeding in this style.
 

hazey grapes

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if you want to contribute non hating information about sativas and all the information sorrounding that, go for it, but don't fuckin ruin my thread and turn it into some cultish hate thread.
um, i'm not the one crossing ANYONE'S personally space and i'm muting the fidiot TROLL that IS talking over the get your neck broke line in my sand for both his punk ass instigator attitude and for being a lying confused sack of organic ferts. i don't do propoganda or lies and sure as fuck don't drink the whatever the eff that word is for being able to hold two contradictory ideas in one's head kool aid.

y'all want to attack the bringer of truth and suck instigator liar dick. that's your butt buddy biz. i have no time or patience to deal with ANY kind of social climbing in need of a beatdown BS whether it be about strength in numbers cavemob pussy politics or money grabbing "i'm more elite than you" greed crap.

i'm not impressed with your royal ass acting "i control the media and you gotta run free speech by me" crap either. this is a fucking democracy. get over that commie crap or get muted yourself.

talk about weed and the weed situation or STFU and keep that king of the hill crap in the playground where it belongs. you know what, i'm just going to mute the both of ya butt buddies now as i don't believe in letting wannabe bullies think they got a drop of empowerment. *poof* talk to the fart cloud mutes.

now to get back to talking about WEED without having to indulge useless any more boojie butt buddy politics until the next fool steps into my name space and asks for a beatdown.
 

hazey grapes

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insolent personal space testing mute proof instigaor? oh that's insufferable like a mofo!

COGNITIVE DISSONANCE
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that's the word for confused like a drunk kitten circular logic
 

poplars

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well, you did and /do/ sway other people away from this thread with your overzealous attitude, thus you are ruining MY thread.


I try to keep my points within a paragraph so people actually UNDERSTAND what I'm saying.
 
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