Awake I agree. When I was in Europe they give the viewers the news, and nothing else. I believe its because in Europe, unlike the US, governments are still afriad of the people, and so are big business.
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where do you find reliable news?
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medicineman
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BTW, for all you people that can't get Link TV on your TV, go to LinkTV.org. on the net. I'm sure if you have a searching and open mind you will be fulfilled.
threatlevelorange
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thanks. I'll check that out, Marx.
LegalizeNature420
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Cspan!! Warning: it's boring as hell sometimes. Watch the show WASHINGTON JOURNAL, it comes on early in the morining. Ppl call in on different topics with the occasional prank. BBC 2! Peace!
threatlevelorange
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I love Colbert. You know he is a comedic spinoff of the Oreily factor? that is what they both say.I actually like to watch Glenn Beck, mostly because he gets in peoples faces a lot. Sometimes I think the best news on TV comes from Comedy Central, Colbert Report is awesome.
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threatlevelorange
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Cant watch CSpan... puts me to sleep
mockingbird131313
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I have heard this Lincoln quote before. I have also read a similar thing that Harry Truman (who integrated the military) said. Also, Lyndon Johnson said similar things to the black porters and butlers in the White House staff.but 7xstall i have noticed the quote ya got there, "But even when you cease to be slaves, you are yet far removed from being placed on an equality with the white race."
and i'm curiose as to where ya found it. see I have read many things written and spoken by the man and i find it hard to beleave the same man who did the following made that quote... so where did it come from ?
"Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "Letter To Henry L. Pierce and Others" (April 6, 1859), p. 376
"As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy. Whatever differs from this, to the extent of the difference, is no democracy." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume II, (August 1, 1858?), p. 532.
"Let us have faith that right makes might, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it." Lincoln's Cooper Institute Address, February 27, 1860.
"I leave you, hoping that the lamp of liberty will burn in your bosoms until there shall no longer be a doubt that all men are created free and equal." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume II, "Speech at Chicago, Illinois" (July 10, 185
""I have been driven many times upon my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had nowhere else to go. My own wisdom and that of all about me seemed insufficient for that day." Lincoln Observed: The Civil War Dispatches of Noah Brooks edited by Michael Burlingame (Baltimore, Johns Hopkins University Press, 199
"I claim not to have controlled events, but confess plainly that events have controlled me." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VII, "Letter to Albert G. Hodges" (April 4, 1864), p. 281.
"In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free - honorable alike in what we give, and what we preserve. We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth. Other means may succeed; this could not fail. The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just - a way which, if followed, the world will forever applaud, and God must forever bless." Lincoln's Second Annual Message to Congress, December 1, 1862.
"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and his orphan - to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations." Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1865.
"A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure permanently half-slave and half-free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved - I do not expect the house to fall - but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other." Lincoln's 'House-Divided' Speech in Springfield, Illinois, June 16, 1858.
""I am rather inclined to silence, and whether that be wise or not, it is at least more unusual nowadays to find a man who can hold his tongue than to find one who cannot." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume IV, "Remarks at the Monogahela House" (February 14, 1861), p. 209.
"Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal." Lincoln's Gettysburg Address on November 19, 1863.
"...that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, November 19, 1863.
"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VIII, "Speech to One Hundred Fortieth Indiana Regiment" (March 17, 1865), p. 361.
"The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume I, "Speech on the Sub-Treasury" (in the Illinois House of Representatives, December 26, 1839), p. 178.
"Leave nothing for tomorrow which can be done today." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume II, "Notes for a Law Lecture" (July 1, 1850?), p. 81. .
"The dogmas of the quiet past are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disenthrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country." Lincoln's Second Annual Message to Congress, December 1, 186.
"I have never said anything to the contrary, but I hold that notwithstanding all this, there is no reason in the world why the negro is not entitled to all the natural rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence, the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I hold that he is as much entitled to these as the white man. " The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, "First Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Ottawa, Illinois" (August 21, 185
"We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will be, by the better angels of our nature." Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861.
"In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow-countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue of civil war. The Government will not assail you. You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors. You have no oath registered in heaven to destroy the Government, while I shall have the most solemn one to 'preserve, protect, and defend it'." Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861.
"I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant General of Massachusetts, that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save. I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours, to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of Freedom." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VIII, "Letter to Mrs. Lydia Bixby" (November 21, 1864), pp. 116-117.
NOTE: All page references to The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln refer to the 1953 edition published by the Rutgers University Press, New Brunswick, New Jersey.
However, this topic is off the thread, I believe.
mockingbird131313
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ALL network news is bad, for the same reason. A half hour broadcast only has time for three major stories and 6 minor stories.
If you expect wide topics and full coverage, you MUST go to print.
The New York Times (or often called The Gray Old Lady), still gives you 6-10 columns of space on their website. I like reading the Associated Press Coverage. Sometimes I read the Wall Street Journal or The Christian Science Monitor. The Dallas Morning News is pretty good. I like Rueters and BBC print as well.
If you expect wide topics and full coverage, you MUST go to print.
The New York Times (or often called The Gray Old Lady), still gives you 6-10 columns of space on their website. I like reading the Associated Press Coverage. Sometimes I read the Wall Street Journal or The Christian Science Monitor. The Dallas Morning News is pretty good. I like Rueters and BBC print as well.
yeah I remember reading that somewhere...Colbert is great, I remember in the day he was a reporter for The Daily Show.
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undertheice
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if you are looking for the truth to be handed to you, you will always come up short. news has become more opinion and less fact and since the sensational sells you will find only the sensational unless you are ready to put in the effort and give your grey matter a little work out. i usually keep a few standards in the line-up (drudge, NYT, BBC etc.) as well as a multitude of extremist and single issue sources. at present i keep track of two glbt sites, two right-wing christian sites, one neo-nazi site, al jazeera, an israeli news site and i usually keep prison planet in there for its comedic value. to keep a fresh view i replace each of the small fry occasionally. the point is that there is no source or group of sources that will give you even a glimmer of the truth, they all have something to sell, and that it is your opinion that counts. every account you read or hear or see is just someone else's spin. it is all just raw information, some true and others false, and you must form it into your own view of the world. the more sources the better and you'd be surprised at how much of this drivel you can soak up in just a couple of hours a day.
Chrisuperfly
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Where do I find reliable news?
From the guys that make the news not the ones that report it.
I assume we are talking about the war.
From the guys that make the news not the ones that report it.
I assume we are talking about the war.
medicineman
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I was talking about world news from all perspectives. You have to listen to an Iraqi to know what an Iraqi thinks, a Pakistani, an Afghani, a Darfurian, etc. Thats how you figure out what is really up in the world. You can't just listen to the propaganda handed us by the likes of Fox, or CNN, or ABC, CBS, or NBC. listen to BBC, Link TV, Al Arabia, etc. Keep that mind open and learn. It's not all about the USA, We are less than 10% of the worlds population and want to control the world. There's something wrong with this picture.
Chrisuperfly
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medicineman
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Thank you.I agree
mockingbird131313
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In about 1958, the president of CBS said that his staff manipulated you, because of what they chose to put on TV. They had a very small format and could not really cover very much in the time available.