Where does your life energy (soul/spirit/breath,etc) go when you die?

RawBudzski

RawBudzski

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Everyone knows this.. .after we die our energy creates a supernova somewhere in space by causing a star to become unstable then once the energy from that supernova reaches the spaghetti monster god he then turns that energy into a new soul & sends it back down to earth. *catches breath* and :arrow: whala, a new baby boy.:shock:












I have officially given up on these threads.:hump:
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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mindphuk said:
How has she seen it in a clinical setting? People don't typically die on top of a scale. The loss of weight that MacDougall reported has never been replicated by other researchers.
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...research studies aren't always subject to reaching the exact numbers of previous attempts. There are also many research findings that never reach the light of day. She travels with the authority and has a first row seat to things that can even be gruesome at times (to me). Sorry man, I even stated that I was sketchy on the specifics - I don't assume to be having an intelligent discussion on something I have not experienced to its fullest. Very close, mind you :)
 
Harrekin

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Have you any idea quite how much energy is in 21 grams of matter?

If you did you wouldn't believe it was just "lost" at the point of death.

21 grams of matter converted to energy would make Hiroshima look like a mortar strike.
 
RawBudzski

RawBudzski

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o_O What would have happened @ Hiroshima if that were the case? 130,000 dead.. 2,730,000 grams of mater being transformed into energy..
Harrekin said:
Have you any idea quite how much energy is in 21 grams of matter?

If you did you wouldn't believe it was just "lost" at the point of death.

21 grams of matter converted to energy would make Hiroshima look like a mortar strike.
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eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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Harrekin said:
Have you any idea quite how much energy is in 21 grams of matter?

If you did you wouldn't believe it was just "lost" at the point of death.

21 grams of matter converted to energy would make Hiroshima look like a mortar strike.
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...that was nifty. What about returning to dark energy, joining the wave?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Harrekin said:
Have you any idea quite how much energy is in 21 grams of matter?

If you did you wouldn't believe it was just "lost" at the point of death.

21 grams of matter converted to energy would make Hiroshima look like a mortar strike.
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Still less than a megaton of yield. Fat Man (Nagasaki) coverted about 1 gram of bomb mass to energy. cn
 
Prefontaine

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spliffendz said:
If the below paragraph is true, then, where does our life energy go? :blsmoke:


The law of conservation of energy is a law of physics.

It states that the total amount of energy in an isolated system remains constant over time (is said to be conserved over time).

A consequence of this law is that energy can neither be created nor be destroyed: it can be transformed from one form to another or transferred from one place to another.

The only thing that can happen to energy in an isolated system is that it can change form: for instance chemical energyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_energy can become kinetic energyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy; energy can enter or leave a closed system.
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there is an alleged perceivable mass lost at the moment of death which may be explainable by no more than the loss of magnetic forces cause by the flow of energy within the nervous system, the ultimate conclusion i would that one is to make is that the passing of energy would lead to if not a perceptual second life but at least a dissipation into the environment returning to gaya so to speak, being said is there conciousness after this life, doubtful
 
mindphuk

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eye exaggerate said:
...research studies aren't always subject to reaching the exact numbers of previous attempts. There are also many research findings that never reach the light of day.
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What exactly are you trying to say here? There is a problem when you cite a 'study' that was done over 100 years ago and was statistically invalid and the results have never been replicated since then (I said nothing about exact numbers, the 21 grams isn't exact, it was 1/2 to 3/4 of an ounce, quite inexact).

She travels with the authority and has a first row seat to things that can even be gruesome at times (to me). Sorry man, I even stated that I was sketchy on the specifics - I don't assume to be having an intelligent discussion on something I have not experienced to its fullest. Very close, mind you :)
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You claim she witnessed it which I highly doubt. I don't doubt she witnessed death but knowing the exact moment of death and weighing a body at the same time is not something that someone is going to witness in the field. More than likely she only heard of the 21 gram thing, whether she believes it or not is immaterial. You were basically using her as an authority to back up your credulous belief.
 
Heisenberg

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eye exaggerate said:
...research studies aren't always subject to reaching the exact numbers of previous attempts. There are also many research findings that never reach the light of day. She travels with the authority and has a first row seat to things that can even be gruesome at times (to me). Sorry man, I even stated that I was sketchy on the specifics - I don't assume to be having an intelligent discussion on something I have not experienced to its fullest. Very close, mind you :)
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The point was not to criticize you for bringing it up, the point is that without proper controls and replication there is no way to distinguish the data from random noise. There is no way to rule out things like equipment failure, bias, hoax, exaggeration, sloppy methodology, ect. The results of the '21 gram' study showed a range of data that made little sense. This was in 1911 and no replication has occurred since. So when you insinuate that your friend somehow confirmed this, we find that interesting and it sparks us to ask questions like, 'did she witness people dying on a scale'. Afterall, this is not something you just notice in the course of practice. It would have to be precisely and deliberately measured.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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mindphuk said:
What exactly are you trying to say here? There is a problem when you cite a 'study' that was done over 100 years ago and was statistically invalid and the results have never been replicated since then (I said nothing about exact numbers, the 21 grams isn't exact, it was 1/2 to 3/4 of an ounce, quite inexact).

You claim she witnessed it which I highly doubt. I don't doubt she witnessed death but knowing the exact moment of death and weighing a body at the same time is not something that someone is going to witness in the field. More than likely she only heard of the 21 gram thing, whether she believes it or not is immaterial. You were basically using her as an authority to back up your credulous belief.
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yikes, I was relaying an idea. I've yet to even claim if I believe it is true. Her authority was a claim to meeeeee :) which was why I wrote it. I don't write here for effect.
 
mindphuk

mindphuk

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Brazko said:
I have my reasons to think so, but if she isn't, he can simply state it so. I'm sure he's a honest guy...:mrgreen:
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I'm quite curious to find out these reasons....

BTW, I think Heis already did a great job answering you but pointing out fallacious reasoning in the OP, basically a loaded question, is not 'playing' a fallacy game. Critical thinking is a skill that is learned and in a debate/discussion subforum such as this, there are good reasons to point these things out, not the least of which being necessary to give my answer a context.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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mindphuk said:
I'm quite curious to find out these reasons....

BTW, I think Heis already did a great job answering you but pointing out fallacious reasoning in the OP, basically a loaded question, is not 'playing' a fallacy game. Critical thinking is a skill that is learned and in a debate/discussion subforum such as this, there are good reasons to point these things out, not the least of which being necessary to give my answer a context.
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I worry that Brazko latched onto my phrase "play along". Ironically I was not thinking about the fallacy thread at the time. I was suggesting that in order to play along with this thread, one had to uncritically accept the premise of spirit-energy.
cn
 
eye exaggerate

eye exaggerate

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Heisenberg said:
The point was not to criticize you for bringing it up, the point is that without proper controls and replication there is no way to distinguish the data from random noise. There is no way to rule out things like equipment failure, bias, hoax, exaggeration, sloppy methodology, ect. The results of the '21 gram' study showed a range of data that made little sense. This was in 1911 and no replication has occurred since. So when you insinuate that your friend somehow confirmed this, we find that interesting and it sparks us to ask questions like, 'did she witness people dying on a scale'. Afterall, this is not something you just notice in the course of practice. It would have to be precisely and deliberately measured.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp
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I will quite honestly ask my friend to which capacity she has witnessed the dying of persons...and report. No sarcasm here.
 
Harrekin

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eye exaggerate said:
I will quite honestly ask my friend to which capacity she has witnessed the dying of persons...and report. No sarcasm here.
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Would you also ask when exactly the moment of death occurs? Cos I'm pretty sure they ain't figured that out yet...because synapses in the brain continue to fire for hours/days after "death" occurs. Thanks in advance.
 
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