Which one now? LED or CMH

3w

Yes, you can choose the same spectrum as AT or A 51

Personally I like that I get to blend my whites

feeling I can better target the sweet spots

I mixed 6500 + 5000 + 3000K + 2700

PetFlora said:

3w

Yes, you can choose the same spectrum as AT or A 51

Personally I like that I get to blend my whites

feeling I can better target the sweet spots

I mixed 6500 + 5000 + 3000K + 2700

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I just want a straight flowering spec..i dont plan on veggin with it (whatever spec that is)
so the spydr 3w will be just as effective as the 5w in the a51......?
sorry if im back and forth bro...jst trying to understand
i just want my spydr to be equivalent / better than the a51 if im gonna get it..if thats even possible...?
as long as it covers my 4x4

at the end of the day its either the
spydr <liking this if i can get the specs to be like an a51
2 xgs190 < liking but 2 MIGHT not be enough, eventually over budget
or 2 clw solaflares < although no feedback on these yet from anyone if they're good or crap)

6 Leaf General said:

at the end of the day its either the
spydr <liking this if i can get the specs to be like an a51
2 xgs190 < liking but 2 MIGHT not be enough, eventually over budget
or 2 clw solaflares < although no feedback on these yet from anyone if they're good or crap)

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2 X 290 are cheaper ATM than the spyder I think.... isnt the Spyder a grand... two 190's will be 900 I think... and will do 4 x 4..

I kind of dont understand buying the spyder to make it the same as the A51... I think you could get to RW150 and cover a 4x4 but confirm with Jeff...

if your spyder is purely for flower them get that spectrum....mostly whites.. a little blue and some reds...

spazatak said:

2 X 290 are cheaper ATM than the spyder I think.... isnt the Spyder a grand... two 190's will be 900 I think... and will do 4 x 4..

I kind of dont understand buying the spyder to make it the same as the A51... I think you could get to RW150 and cover a 4x4 but confirm with Jeff...

if your spyder is purely for flower them get that spectrum....mostly whites.. a little blue and some reds...

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yea spaz..the reason I wasnt sure about just the 2 xgs190 is because I emailed Jeff and he said its "minimal" for the 4x4 coverage not saying it wouldnt work...I if i did get the 2 xgs190 will i have to supplement some blue and red like u mentioned?

and also at the end of the day like anybody else im assuming....I just want whats best and what will do best

and wtf is up with CLW solaflares...NOBODY mentions them anymore...are they a flop or something?
everyone is all about hans a51 and apache

6 Leaf General said:

yea spaz..the reason I wasnt sure about just the 2 xgs190 is because I emailed Jeff and he said its "minimal" for the 4x4 coverage not saying it wouldnt work...I if i did get the 2 xgs190 will i have to supplement some blue and red like u mentioned?

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really.. I dont own one but was under the impression if would from other members who have them here...

pop over to the LED section and ask there.... some guys own them and have pulled some nice weed off them without the supplemental reds and blues..the XGS is more an all round light good for both...flower and bloom...

6 Leaf General said:

I just want a straight flowering spec..i dont plan on veggin with it (whatever spec that is)
so the spydr 3w will be just as effective as the 5w in the a51......?
sorry if im back and forth bro...jst trying to understand
i just want my spydr to be equivalent / better than the a51 if im gonna get it..if thats even possible...?
as long as it covers my 4x4

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I haven't compared the 2, but have seen plenty of small tent A51 threads

Not sure anyone has harvested A51 in a 4 x 4 space (someone, anyone...?)

SPYDR is made to order when you choose your own flower blend, so it could take a few weeks

So plan ahead

6 Leaf General said:

Ok thank you all for input...although not worried about hps thanks anyway for the respective advice
ive boiled it down now to these options after tracking threads all day,,
options are now
(2) a51 XGS190 w/ (1) RW-150 =~1500bucks

or

BML Spydr600 although only seen PetFlora's thread..dude knws about these leds and I trust his knowledge on the subject

I cant look at the Apache because its ridiculously expensive..

I like the CMH Philips Agro 315w bulb..heard nothing but positive on these babies about their spectrum and what not..

and for some reason im not seeing much people using California Light works..I was even considering (2) Solarflares
I would like to know whats the 411 with them..
but overall..i understand a51 would most likely be the ultimate choice in terms of quality and recommendations
oh yea and whats the deal with these...http://www.advancedledlights.com/3w-led-grow-lights/new-diamond-series-xml-10w-cree-xml/ ?
thanks

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Hi 6 leaf, not sure what your timeline is, I just posted a thread using an LEC Sun System/315W Philips Elite Agro 3100k 930 vertical bulb/reflector. If you're not in a big hurry, you should be able to see some results of this initial run in about 8 weeks. One thing I can tell you right now with this setup is that watt for watt vs. my LED's in the previous run, the ambient temps only went up about 2F, considering it flat really considering outside temps have been hovering in the mid-80's since I fired it up, incredible for this technology imo. I'm trying one to begin with, if the results are there, I could fit another in my room with no heat concerns. Link in my sig...

6 Leaf General said:

Lol understood...I was just on the idea that the spectrum was one that you choose so I said to myself...just go witha proven spectrum? If im making sense lol..im not sure if the spectrum the spydr has standard would be better/worst than my other option
Im really leaning toward the spydr for the 4x4 coverage...
And also are they 5w or 3w leds on the spydr??

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I believe they are 3W but I could be wrong, they are 100% American Osrum LEDs. I have the Grow Max Spyder. One thing you have to realize about most these led companies is that they drop ship, meaning they buy that chinese bullshit and throw their label on it. If you have any questions about BML, email them or call and ask to speak with Nick, he runs the show and knows the most. He's very friendly and extremely knowledgeable about lighting in generally, not just grow lights.

PetFlora said:

I haven't compared the 2, but have seen plenty of small tent A51 threads

Not sure anyone has harvested A51 in a 4 x 4 space (someone, anyone...?)

SPYDR is made to order when you choose your own flower blend, so it could take a few weeks

So plan ahead

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my next two are the spyder for the garden applications.. i own all types led cfl t5 plasma mh hps there all good and all work.. I've watched first hand the lec it works great in veg... haven't yet seen the flowering capabilities.. I'm watching my Plasma starting to flower 11 plants in a 4x4 area... so far so good the foot print it covers and very if any stretching its phenomenal. Just saying. In just 7 short months I've used the major selling lighting on the market(types not brands). THEY ALL WORK just get your environment good and you will have no problems with any sort of lighting you may choose
I have yet to go by manufacturers feeding schedules.. i find with my set up when the plant needs something it tells you and if you know what your looking for well you will keep your plants healthy and looking good without breaking the bank..
JUST SAYING HAPPY 4TH TO EVERYONE

GroErr said:

Hi 6 leaf, not sure what your timeline is, I just posted a thread using an LEC Sun System/315W Philips Elite Agro 3100k 930 vertical bulb/reflector. If you're not in a big hurry, you should be able to see some results of this initial run in about 8 weeks. One thing I can tell you right now with this setup is that watt for watt vs. my LED's in the previous run, the ambient temps only went up about 2F, considering it flat really considering outside temps have been hovering in the mid-80's since I fired it up, incredible for this technology imo. I'm trying one to begin with, if the results are there, I could fit another in my room with no heat concerns. Link in my sig...

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thank you for the wisdom..im really glad to hear about the temps ..like i said i heard nothing but good with these lights..ill be following your thread surely..but as of this moment im gonna try and get as low as i can on the draw with the old ebill...
believe it or not where im at we pay 0.51cents per kw..nuff said

this plasma looks badasss

Bricksquad2625 said:

I believe they are 3W but I could be wrong, they are 100% American Osrum LEDs. I have the Grow Max Spyder. One thing you have to realize about most these led companies is that they drop ship, meaning they buy that chinese bullshit and throw their label on it. If you have any questions about BML, email them or call and ask to speak with Nick, he runs the show and knows the most. He's very friendly and extremely knowledgeable about lighting in generally, not just grow lights.

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and petflora lol

ok so as of now...a51 might be the ones...but i still really really like the design features of the spydr and the spec modding
but is it really that important? its like pick your poison here lol

next step have one of u build me one hopefully with some COBs bright like a mother with the ideal spec

6 Leaf General said:

ok so as of now...a51 might be the ones...but i still really really like the design features of the spydr and the spec modding
but is it really that important? its like pick your poison here lol

next step have one of u build me one hopefully with some COBs bright like a mother with the ideal spec

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Spyder hands down. there is no comparison to what its capable of and the verstitiltity of it.. lol

6 Leaf General said:

thank you for the wisdom..im really glad to hear about the temps ..like i said i heard nothing but good with these lights..ill be following your thread surely..but as of this moment im gonna try and get as low as i can on the draw with the old ebill...
believe it or not where im at we pay 0.51cents per kw..nuff said

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Ouch, that must hurt, can't believe some of the rates I've seen posted here, I'm staying put at .073 cents...

GroErr said:

Ouch, that must hurt, can't believe some of the rates I've seen posted here, I'm staying put at .073 cents...

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I don't pay attention.. Thats the easiest way

PetFlora said:

Yes. One of the many things, that IMO, separates the SPYDR from the others... the ability to choose your own spectrums

The ability to push the bars together for veg, then spread them as the plants grow is huge (and also tilt individual bars)

as well as the entire 3 x 3 footprint has the same intensity color spectrums

and then it's passively cooled, although running a house fan across the back side makes it more efficient

rob333 not true. See greengenes707 side-by-side Apache Tech v 1000w hps. Several YT videos

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lolol u so gota love the internet yeah i wouldent beleave half the shit that is posted here anyways until u have stood there and watched it urself well im saying leds are fucken pooo compared to hps