Look man, I'm not going to get in the middle of whatever you and Dan Kone have going on. I simply am not interested in that drama. I really don't care all that much about the commerce part of it, but MANY people do care about it so it needs to be addressed. If it's not in the language of the proposal then there will be confusion. Hell, there is usually confusion anyways! lol! I realize prop 19 failed. I also know that it was a piece of shit proposal that seemed more focused on setting up pot "Wal-Marts" than decriminalizing anything. Just because prop 19 failed doesn't mean that people are against commerce or business or whatever you are alleging. They do seem to be against shitty propositions that will automatically create a playing field tilted heavily in the favor of certain "special interests". Yes Ernst, we all want to be free to consume whatever the hell we want whenever the hell we want. It's not that way with alcohol or tobacco so why will cannabis be any different? There are numerous special interests that have to be considered, not to mention the public at large. If you don't placate them all in some way you will meet heavy resistance from the group you've left out. Many of these groups are better funded and better organized than you or I will ever be. I think most people view this endeavor of yours as at least a bit quixotic. Most people pick their battles. Perhaps you should re-evaluate your motives.
There reason it is going to be different is because we are going to define it. Are you that dense?
Look you are the middle between Dan and I ?? Don't see that either?
The black market is a minority.
What I am saying is that twice these commerce language has failed.
Let us split up the initiatives.
The only places I find people against rights for the people are these grow sites.
I found out from prop 19 that the growers who hang out are the minority voter count.
Y'all remember how the growers all nutted up in October~November and NPR aired Dragon Fly and not the growers like you?
That is because when it all comes down you guys have been breaking the law.. No one has sympathy for you who make the money and we especially didn't vote sympathetically for the black market grower in 2010 either.
What ever.. I'm getting what I need from my time here..
Now if any one can show me how No voters will switch in 2012 when Obama has lost his identity as a liberal meaning voter turnout will be more conservative in 2012 and no Republican or democrat will be supporting any legalization Don't you all want to join together and pass something?
If that is rights for people first are you all quality people willing to fight for what is possible not what is profitable?
Split the issues up so we don't vote everything down. Give the people more choices than a binary yes or no on an all in one initiative.
This is good for me.. Is it good for you?
And Damn it the people are not special interests.
Horticulture is not agriculture. Horticulture rights are not a special interest it is the fundamental right to grow food fibre and medicine.
Special interest is the idea that people can stay home and make a big salary growing a pound of two of a plant.
In reality and after any legalization passes the price per pound will drop to perhaps less that $500 a pound and you all will be competing with Mexico produce.
The only reason you have even the prices you have now is because of the dispensaries. you let people have any grow rights and the market falls. That is a no-brainer. So arguing to keep people illegal in some form to some how control the market for just one class of grower is idiotic... LOL
When any one can grow some they will grow a lot.
Lower the risk and more people will take chances and that means more supply. More supply means lower prices..
Might as well let it hit the floor and then let us look at commerce.
I don't get it I don't read any counter argument on this site that proves why we should gamble another election cycle away.
But, I have to admit that I think there are enough stupid people who will support another all in one initiative.
It isn't like we won't have it all it is that we have to do things separately.
So I care.. I am popping the pie in the sky cannabis grower's bubble.. The end of high prices for cannabis is coming with any legalization. We saw it with prop 19.
I had people trying to move ounces of purp here and not getting $125 and it was a nice smoke from the sample I was given but hey every one has good smoke.
And another laughable things is that some how it will be constitutional to block big box cannabis stores... Ha!
Like every jurisdiction in California is going to be sure all the Mom and Pop's get protection when the Big Box will bring in more revenue and offer the jurisdiction more control over their cannabis community.
I'll put money on the liberals will have a low turn out in 2012 from the direction Obama is going.
Then what? We lose because of commerce language and what go through what we are doing in 2013?
Will I be arguing for a separation of rights for people and Commerce and will I again be told it is the wrong way to go in 2014 because just because COMMERCE LANGUAGE WAS VOTED DOWN THREE TIMES doesn't mean it will be voted down a fourth?
Maybe enough people will die by then to change the demographics.
I am not telling anyone they can't have what they want I am stating that splitting it up will allow us to gain some ground.
Why not get something this time?
Why risk it all again for the special interest small grower.