DNAprotection
Well-Known Member
so whats up SunJ?
what are you here for?
what are you here for?
White House Petition to restore the human right to grow and use plants...
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SunJ
Member
Trying to consolidate this elsewhere. Join over here:
https://www.rollitup.org/washington-patients/799749-every-revolution-begins-someone-taking.html
https://www.rollitup.org/washington-patients/799749-every-revolution-begins-someone-taking.html
DNAprotection
Well-Known Member
yes but the question posed to you here is taking a stand for what?
have you read nothing here?
DNAprotection
Well-Known Member
your joking right?
cuz your shooting 50%, i hope you do better than that on tests
why not answer the other half of those two questions SunJ?
SunJ
Member
Obviously, I was answering only your first question and I was politely trying to not hijack someone else's thread by starting my own on this topic. I gave you some gentle nudges that perhaps it would be better suited for discussion there. Your second question doesn't really deserve a response, as I'm also, obviously, reading everything here.
Just trying to show some courtesy to the OP.
Sorry if I offended you.
Just trying to show some courtesy to the OP.
Sorry if I offended you.
DNAprotection
Well-Known Member
bro what offends me the most is your un-thought out 'plan' to nowhere...Obviously, I was answering only your first question and I was politely trying to not hijack someone else's thread by starting my own on this topic. I gave you some gentle nudges that perhaps it would be better suited for discussion there. Your second question doesn't really deserve a response, as I'm also, obviously, reading everything here.
Just trying to show some courtesy to the OP.
Sorry if I offended you.
thats what i keep asking you about and thats what you keep avoiding...
"I was answering only your first question"
really? so your answer to 'taking a stand for what?' (the 1st question) is "yes" ? lol ok but...is that your final answer?
see now i thought you were answering the second question with that "yes" = 'have you read nothing here?', and so naturally i figured you had read nothing here...
SunJ, the best courtesy you can show us all at this point would be to just be coherent and answer the questions honestly...
so i'll ask again...
what specifically are you trying to accomplish? ('legalization' is not an satisfactory answer, as already discussed, be specific)
whats your plan?
how do your goals and plan equate into a restoration of basic human rights? (as such is whats missing from the legal equation surrounding cannabis)
ps...how can you be 'hijacking' this thread when im the op and i've requested your response? kinda silly...i think thats just your excuse to avoid answering the questions
DNAprotection
Well-Known Member
seriously SunJ, i do not mean to offend you either, but there is a war on nature and human rights so my questions go to making sure you understand this...so please give specific answers if you would, thanks
SunJ
Member
My apologies, I get on here pretty medicated sometimes.... actually just started trying this tincture for my back issues... stuff works great!
So you are the OP here, my bad! I'll try to bring you up to speed since you have so politely asked! I am a former contractor in the nuclear field for the government. I'm also a MMJ patient. I ALSO tried to get a reality series that would essentially pay for my I-502 license but failed to gain the support I needed for it in time to make it happen. Oh well. I move on.
I've been politically active to one degree or another on many different sides of many different issues over the years, and even though I don't have the reality series, I choose to continue to use my story to help educate those who really need it! Here on RIU and elsewhere, I've floated an idea that might be worth a try come this November election. It's a pretty simple thing to do and if we can get up off our collectively stoned asses and do it all as ONE, I think we can see the immediate decriminalization of marijuana nationwide followed by the release of all non-violent marijuana offenders. I also recommend the reduction of all police force budgets for the "War on Individual Rights" be reduced by a percentage aligning with the percentage of non-marijuana busts they had made in previous years.
That's the first step. If we can accomplish that... we would be poised to demand other human brain receptor pleasing molecules to be unscheduled and objectively studied. This call coincides with a demand of all remaining non-violent prisoners of this unholy war. While still not "legal" at this point, law enforcement will receive direction to make these kinds of busts low priority, essentially, a REAL crime has to be involved for the drugs to matter.
Subject to study findings, I hope sensible heads will prevail in light of current, accurate, unbiased research will lay the ground work for a system of regulation that puts responsibility on the individual.
We can demand our rights back if we all do it together. If they refuse to hand them back, we can then taken them back at the ballot box by voting out every single candidate that is in opposition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFN125H21mo
So you are the OP here, my bad! I'll try to bring you up to speed since you have so politely asked!
I am a former contractor in the nuclear field for the government. I'm also a MMJ patient. I ALSO tried to get a reality series that would essentially pay for my I-502 license but failed to gain the support I needed for it in time to make it happen. Oh well. I move on.I've been politically active to one degree or another on many different sides of many different issues over the years, and even though I don't have the reality series, I choose to continue to use my story to help educate those who really need it! Here on RIU and elsewhere, I've floated an idea that might be worth a try come this November election. It's a pretty simple thing to do and if we can get up off our collectively stoned asses and do it all as ONE, I think we can see the immediate decriminalization of marijuana nationwide followed by the release of all non-violent marijuana offenders. I also recommend the reduction of all police force budgets for the "War on Individual Rights" be reduced by a percentage aligning with the percentage of non-marijuana busts they had made in previous years.
That's the first step. If we can accomplish that... we would be poised to demand other human brain receptor pleasing molecules to be unscheduled and objectively studied. This call coincides with a demand of all remaining non-violent prisoners of this unholy war. While still not "legal" at this point, law enforcement will receive direction to make these kinds of busts low priority, essentially, a REAL crime has to be involved for the drugs to matter.
Subject to study findings, I hope sensible heads will prevail in light of current, accurate, unbiased research will lay the ground work for a system of regulation that puts responsibility on the individual.
We can demand our rights back if we all do it together. If they refuse to hand them back, we can then taken them back at the ballot box by voting out every single candidate that is in opposition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFN125H21mo
SunJ
Member
I'll also post the emails I sent my state senator today in opposition to the changes they are trying to make in our current MMJ laws.
Bill: 2149 (Oppose)
Subject: Current bill shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue...
2149, if passed, will place undue hardships on an untold many. I am a former Hanford worker; I've worked as a Senior Radiological Control Technician & Senior Health Physics Technician for various companies. I'm currently undergoing my 3rd layoff in 4 years.
I'm also a medical marijuana patient. Patients don't just smoke the flowers, but often process the plants into friendlier edible or otherwise concentrated forms like oil or butter. The limitations proposed will severely limit patient's abilities to do this.
In addition to the unrealistic reduction of plant numbers, the forcing of everyone to place 3 in flower and 3 in vegetative states is not feasible for a few reasons. People with limited indoor garden space often only run one phase at a time. Those lucky enough to be able to grow outdoors in nature have absolutely no control over the cycles and would effectively be limited to 3 plants PER YEAR.
Please consider what I have to say and call me, maybe?
Response: You have requested a response from Senator Sharon Brown
*I ran out of characters, so the "maybe?" part didn't make it on the official email.... but I had to continue...*
Sorry, but 1000 characters simply wasn't enough to finish expressing my opposition to this bill.
While I-502 is still in its infancy and regulators are scrambling to figure everything out, it is best to not mess with a system that is not broken. Get 502 up and running smoothly before making any attempts to change current medical marijuana laws.
If anything, add protection for patients (even every Washington resident!) for employment purposes. I've taken a huge risk to my professional life for my vocal support of these issues and I hope you will consider my opinions seriously.
Again, I can be called at the provided number or emailed at the provided email anytime to answer any questions to help enlighten anyone on the subject.
Many thanks!
Bill: 2149 (Oppose)
Subject: Current bill shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue...
2149, if passed, will place undue hardships on an untold many. I am a former Hanford worker; I've worked as a Senior Radiological Control Technician & Senior Health Physics Technician for various companies. I'm currently undergoing my 3rd layoff in 4 years.
I'm also a medical marijuana patient. Patients don't just smoke the flowers, but often process the plants into friendlier edible or otherwise concentrated forms like oil or butter. The limitations proposed will severely limit patient's abilities to do this.
In addition to the unrealistic reduction of plant numbers, the forcing of everyone to place 3 in flower and 3 in vegetative states is not feasible for a few reasons. People with limited indoor garden space often only run one phase at a time. Those lucky enough to be able to grow outdoors in nature have absolutely no control over the cycles and would effectively be limited to 3 plants PER YEAR.
Please consider what I have to say and call me, maybe?
Response: You have requested a response from Senator Sharon Brown
*I ran out of characters, so the "maybe?" part didn't make it on the official email.... but I had to continue...*
Sorry, but 1000 characters simply wasn't enough to finish expressing my opposition to this bill.
While I-502 is still in its infancy and regulators are scrambling to figure everything out, it is best to not mess with a system that is not broken. Get 502 up and running smoothly before making any attempts to change current medical marijuana laws.
If anything, add protection for patients (even every Washington resident!) for employment purposes. I've taken a huge risk to my professional life for my vocal support of these issues and I hope you will consider my opinions seriously.
Again, I can be called at the provided number or emailed at the provided email anytime to answer any questions to help enlighten anyone on the subject.
Many thanks!
DNAprotection
Well-Known Member
SunJ, thanks for the responses, I appreciate all you have written here, and in relation to hanford, my friends and relatives were 'down winders'...
but i wish i could somehow get you to appreciate that the most simple and foundation rooted answer to all the issues you have raised is in a simple declaration of human rights (as enclosed herein), and how such works to shift the frame work of the topic in such a way that it becomes more directly relative and relevant to all humans...can you understand that?
for example on monday i'll be delivering this proposed ballot measure for placement on our county wide ballot in the nov gen elections...
nothing like it has ever been on a ballot in any county or any state ever in so far as i know...but it most clearly is where you can find sensible solutions to the concerns you've raised etc...
ps...we are still in the editing process, so any input is welcome...
---Lake County 'Freedom to Grow Plants' Human Rights Initiative- Ordinance 11564---
Whereas in the State of California, the people of the County of Lake do hereby find and declare that:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for people to reaffirm and reestablish the fundamental human rights that they are naturally endowed, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's origins entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of humankind requires that they should declare the causes which compel them to come forward in the reestablishment of those rights.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all humans are created equal, that they are naturally endowed with certain Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness,
--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to re-declare and reestablish the inherent human rights that would intrinsically correct such governmental negligence, and to reconstitute such in a form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness, and in accordance with the 9th amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America:
Amendment IX, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.",
And, also in accordance with the California State Constitution's Article 1 Declaration of Rights:
Section 21., ..."This declaration of rights may not be construed to impair or deny others retained by the people.",
And,--Whereas disregard and contempt for certain human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of humankind, and in the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people, it has become necessary to reaffirm and specifically constitute that:
(section) 1.
Humans are naturally endowed with the fundamental right to cultivate and grow the plants of this earth, and posses the seeds thereof, for their own needs as individuals in pursuit of life and in effort to live, and that such basic human rights exist and are held in perpetuity outside of the constitutional responsibility of government to protect an individuals right to engage in commerce.
(section) 1.(a)
All County of Lake residents who exercise the rights described in section 1., and are compliant with section 2.(a), and are gardening outside (outdoor) or in green houses (and not withstanding any generally applicable urgency ordinance specifically relating to water conservation), are exempt from any county permitting or other county ordinances that would limit an individual's home gardening efforts in conjunction with section 1.
(section) 2.
Should neighbor complaints that are not related to section 2.(a), or are not related to a specific medically verifiable toxic health risk to the public arise as an official complaint to the county as a result of an individual(s) exercising the rights as described in section 1., (not withstanding any effected party choosing to seek remedy and or reparations by way of litigation through civil proceedings), all the effected parties shall be directed to mediation provided for by the County of Lake, and if resolution between the effected parties cannot be achieved in a reasonable effort to mediate (to be determined by the mediator), the effected parties shall then continue mediation at their own expense (to be equally divided between the effected parties) until a resolution between the parties can be agreed upon, or until the effected parties agree to withdraw from mediation.
(section) 2.(a)
All who exercise the rights described in section 1., shall take reasonable care to prevent environmental destruction, and are responsible to mitigate any possible foreseen negative impacts on the natural environments, and all persons who neglect such practices shall be subject to the authority designated under section 2.(b) herein, but such remedies are to be used to help individuals come into compliance with this section and not to unreasonably burden individuals who exercise the rights described in section 1.
(section) 2.(b)
The County of Lake Environmental Health department shall administer over individual circumstances that may arise related to section 2., section 2.(a), and section 2.(c) herein, but all such administrative authority and compliance inquiries shall be restricted to circumstances where a verifiable neighbor (or resident of the county) complaint in writing has been officially registered with the county, and such authority shall not be blanketly or randomly imposed on those who exercise the rights as described in section 1., or 1.(a).
(section) 2(c)
If an individual's income qualifies for the low income standards of the county, then the county shall assist in an individual's effort to comply with section 2.(a) by mitigating the costs of any such remedies, but shall not do so in cases where the environmental damage is occurring from an individual's use of non organic gardening chemicals including but not limited to pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and fertilizers, and the County of Lake retains the authority to limit the use of such chemicals if such a remedy is applicable to the circumstance(s).
(section) 3.
All County, State and Federal criminal laws that exist in conflict with individual's exercising the human rights as described in section 1., (and not withstanding an individual in violation of using illegal gardening chemicals including but not limited to certain pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and fertilizers), are to be set aside unless it can be determined that the individual circumstance is occurring within the context of 'commerce' related activities as defined herein,
--For the expressed purposes of this document the word "commerce" shall be taken to mean:
The buying and selling of goods in any form, and in direct reference to the exchange of United States currency (or other such legally recognized tender) for such goods or services.
(section) 3.(a)
If any provision of this Initiative or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, such invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the Initiative which can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this Initiative are severable. The People of the County of Lake hereby declare that we would have adopted this Initiative irrespective of the invalidity of any particular portion thereof.
but i wish i could somehow get you to appreciate that the most simple and foundation rooted answer to all the issues you have raised is in a simple declaration of human rights (as enclosed herein), and how such works to shift the frame work of the topic in such a way that it becomes more directly relative and relevant to all humans...can you understand that?
for example on monday i'll be delivering this proposed ballot measure for placement on our county wide ballot in the nov gen elections...
nothing like it has ever been on a ballot in any county or any state ever in so far as i know...but it most clearly is where you can find sensible solutions to the concerns you've raised etc...
ps...we are still in the editing process, so any input is welcome...
---Lake County 'Freedom to Grow Plants' Human Rights Initiative- Ordinance 11564---
Whereas in the State of California, the people of the County of Lake do hereby find and declare that:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for people to reaffirm and reestablish the fundamental human rights that they are naturally endowed, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's origins entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of humankind requires that they should declare the causes which compel them to come forward in the reestablishment of those rights.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all humans are created equal, that they are naturally endowed with certain Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness,
--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to re-declare and reestablish the inherent human rights that would intrinsically correct such governmental negligence, and to reconstitute such in a form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness, and in accordance with the 9th amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America:
Amendment IX, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.",
And, also in accordance with the California State Constitution's Article 1 Declaration of Rights:
Section 21., ..."This declaration of rights may not be construed to impair or deny others retained by the people.",
And,--Whereas disregard and contempt for certain human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of humankind, and in the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people, it has become necessary to reaffirm and specifically constitute that:
(section) 1.
Humans are naturally endowed with the fundamental right to cultivate and grow the plants of this earth, and posses the seeds thereof, for their own needs as individuals in pursuit of life and in effort to live, and that such basic human rights exist and are held in perpetuity outside of the constitutional responsibility of government to protect an individuals right to engage in commerce.
(section) 1.(a)
All County of Lake residents who exercise the rights described in section 1., and are compliant with section 2.(a), and are gardening outside (outdoor) or in green houses (and not withstanding any generally applicable urgency ordinance specifically relating to water conservation), are exempt from any county permitting or other county ordinances that would limit an individual's home gardening efforts in conjunction with section 1.
(section) 2.
Should neighbor complaints that are not related to section 2.(a), or are not related to a specific medically verifiable toxic health risk to the public arise as an official complaint to the county as a result of an individual(s) exercising the rights as described in section 1., (not withstanding any effected party choosing to seek remedy and or reparations by way of litigation through civil proceedings), all the effected parties shall be directed to mediation provided for by the County of Lake, and if resolution between the effected parties cannot be achieved in a reasonable effort to mediate (to be determined by the mediator), the effected parties shall then continue mediation at their own expense (to be equally divided between the effected parties) until a resolution between the parties can be agreed upon, or until the effected parties agree to withdraw from mediation.
(section) 2.(a)
All who exercise the rights described in section 1., shall take reasonable care to prevent environmental destruction, and are responsible to mitigate any possible foreseen negative impacts on the natural environments, and all persons who neglect such practices shall be subject to the authority designated under section 2.(b) herein, but such remedies are to be used to help individuals come into compliance with this section and not to unreasonably burden individuals who exercise the rights described in section 1.
(section) 2.(b)
The County of Lake Environmental Health department shall administer over individual circumstances that may arise related to section 2., section 2.(a), and section 2.(c) herein, but all such administrative authority and compliance inquiries shall be restricted to circumstances where a verifiable neighbor (or resident of the county) complaint in writing has been officially registered with the county, and such authority shall not be blanketly or randomly imposed on those who exercise the rights as described in section 1., or 1.(a).
(section) 2(c)
If an individual's income qualifies for the low income standards of the county, then the county shall assist in an individual's effort to comply with section 2.(a) by mitigating the costs of any such remedies, but shall not do so in cases where the environmental damage is occurring from an individual's use of non organic gardening chemicals including but not limited to pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and fertilizers, and the County of Lake retains the authority to limit the use of such chemicals if such a remedy is applicable to the circumstance(s).
(section) 3.
All County, State and Federal criminal laws that exist in conflict with individual's exercising the human rights as described in section 1., (and not withstanding an individual in violation of using illegal gardening chemicals including but not limited to certain pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and fertilizers), are to be set aside unless it can be determined that the individual circumstance is occurring within the context of 'commerce' related activities as defined herein,
--For the expressed purposes of this document the word "commerce" shall be taken to mean:
The buying and selling of goods in any form, and in direct reference to the exchange of United States currency (or other such legally recognized tender) for such goods or services.
(section) 3.(a)
If any provision of this Initiative or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, such invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the Initiative which can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this Initiative are severable. The People of the County of Lake hereby declare that we would have adopted this Initiative irrespective of the invalidity of any particular portion thereof.
DNAprotection
Well-Known Member
right on SunJ! thanks, it's still in the editing process, but it looks like its a go for sig gathering and making it on the ballot.
a simple human rights campaign to declare this human right in every community that is struggling with this issue right now would literally blindside the opposition and put many of them in a very awkward position
(not to mention shifting the framework of the national discussion to being relevant to all humans etc)
DNAprotection
Well-Known Member
hey SunJ you still got your ears on?
we are at crunch time for turning this in, so if anyone has editing or other suggestions, now is the time to please bring them forward, thanks.
below is the revised version (have made some major changes), but I've also been wondering if we should include definitions for the word "needs" from "to be used for their own needs", and the word "inquiries" from section 2.(b)?
----'Freedom to Grow Plants' Initiative- Ordinance 11564----
Whereas in the State of California, the people of the County of Lake do hereby find and declare that:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for people to reaffirm and reestablish the fundamental human rights with which they are naturally endowed, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's origins entitle them, and to recognize a decent respect to for the opinions of humankind, requires that they should declare the causes which compel them to come forward toward the reestablishment of those rights.
We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all humans beings are created equal. That human beings are naturally endowed with certain Rights, and that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to re-declare and reestablish the inherent human rights that would intrinsically correct such governmental negligence, and to reconstitute such in a form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Therefore, in accordance with the 9th amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America,
Amendment IX:
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.",
and also in accordance with the California State Constitution's Article 1 Declaration of Rights, Section 21.: ..."This declaration of rights may not be construed to impair or deny others retained by the people.",
and, also as consistent with County of Lake Ordinance No. 2267 in relation to private property rights, and,
whereas disregard and contempt for certain human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of humankind, and, whereas in a world which human beings endeavor to enjoy freedom of speech and belief, and where freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of peoples everywhere, be it here proclaimed that it has become necessary to reaffirm and specifically re-constitute the self evident inherent freedom to grow and use plants as described herein:
(Section 1.)
That human beings are naturally endowed with the fundamental right to have and grow the naturally occurring plants of this earth, and the naturally occurring seeds thereof, to be used for their own needs as individuals in pursuit of life and in effort to live,
And that such basic human rights have been recognized and acknowledged to exist and that these rights are held in perpetuity even outside of the constitutional responsibility of a government to protect an individual's right to engage in commerce.
(Section) 1.(a)
That all County of Lake residents who exercise the rights described in section 1., and are compliant with section 2.(a), and are gardening outside (outdoors) or in green houses (and not withstanding any generally applicable urgency ordinance(s) specifically relating to water conservation), are, as accorded in the paragraphs above, necessarily exempt from any County permitting or other County ordinances that would limit an individual's home gardening efforts in conjunction with section 1.
(Section) 2.
Should neighbor complaints that are not related to section 2.(a), or that are not related to a specific medically verifiable toxic health risk to the public arise as an official complaint to the County as a result of an individual(s) exercising the rights as described in section 1., (and not withstanding any effected party choosing to seek remedy and or reparations by way of litigation through civil proceedings), all the effected parties shall be directed to mediation provided for by the County of Lake, and if resolution between the effected parties cannot be achieved in a reasonable effort to mediate (to be determined by the appointed mediator), the effected parties shall then continue mediation at their own expense (to be equally divided between the effected parties) until a resolution between the parties can be agreed upon, or until one of the effected parties withdraws from the mediation.
(Section) 2.(a)
That All who exercise the rights described in section 1., shall take reasonable care to prevent environmental destruction, and are responsible to mitigate any possible foreseen negative impacts on the natural environments, and all persons who neglect such practices shall be subject to the authority designated under section 2.(b) herein, but such remedies are to be used to help individuals come into compliance with this section and not to unreasonably burden individuals who exercise the rights described in section 1.
(Section) 2.(b)
That the County of Lake Environmental Health Department shall administer over individual circumstances that may arise related to section 2. and section 2.(a), herein, but all such administrative authority and compliance inquiries shall be restricted to circumstances where a verifiable neighbor (or resident of the county) complaint in writing and signed by the complainant has been officially registered with the county.
(Section) 3.
That All County, State and Federal criminal laws existing in conflict with individual's exercising the human rights as described in section 1., (and not withstanding an individual in violation of using illegal gardening chemicals, including but not limited to, certain pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and fertilizers), are to be set aside unless it can be determined that the individual circumstance is occurring within the context of 'commerce' related activities as defined herein, or if an individual's violations of Section 2.(a) herein are to the extent of violating a criminal statute.
For the express purposes of this document the word "commerce" shall be taken to mean:
"The buying and selling of goods or services in any form, and in direct reference to the exchange of United States currency (or other such legally recognized tender) for such goods or services."
(Section) 3.(a)
If any provision of this Initiative or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, such invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the Initiative which can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this Initiative are severable. The People of the County of Lake hereby declare that we would have adopted this Initiative irrespective of the invalidity of any particular portion thereof.
we are at crunch time for turning this in, so if anyone has editing or other suggestions, now is the time to please bring them forward, thanks.
below is the revised version (have made some major changes), but I've also been wondering if we should include definitions for the word "needs" from "to be used for their own needs", and the word "inquiries" from section 2.(b)?
----'Freedom to Grow Plants' Initiative- Ordinance 11564----
Whereas in the State of California, the people of the County of Lake do hereby find and declare that:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for people to reaffirm and reestablish the fundamental human rights with which they are naturally endowed, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's origins entitle them, and to recognize a decent respect to for the opinions of humankind, requires that they should declare the causes which compel them to come forward toward the reestablishment of those rights.
We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all humans beings are created equal. That human beings are naturally endowed with certain Rights, and that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to re-declare and reestablish the inherent human rights that would intrinsically correct such governmental negligence, and to reconstitute such in a form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Therefore, in accordance with the 9th amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America,
Amendment IX:
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.",
and also in accordance with the California State Constitution's Article 1 Declaration of Rights, Section 21.: ..."This declaration of rights may not be construed to impair or deny others retained by the people.",
and, also as consistent with County of Lake Ordinance No. 2267 in relation to private property rights, and,
whereas disregard and contempt for certain human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of humankind, and, whereas in a world which human beings endeavor to enjoy freedom of speech and belief, and where freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of peoples everywhere, be it here proclaimed that it has become necessary to reaffirm and specifically re-constitute the self evident inherent freedom to grow and use plants as described herein:
(Section 1.)
That human beings are naturally endowed with the fundamental right to have and grow the naturally occurring plants of this earth, and the naturally occurring seeds thereof, to be used for their own needs as individuals in pursuit of life and in effort to live,
And that such basic human rights have been recognized and acknowledged to exist and that these rights are held in perpetuity even outside of the constitutional responsibility of a government to protect an individual's right to engage in commerce.
(Section) 1.(a)
That all County of Lake residents who exercise the rights described in section 1., and are compliant with section 2.(a), and are gardening outside (outdoors) or in green houses (and not withstanding any generally applicable urgency ordinance(s) specifically relating to water conservation), are, as accorded in the paragraphs above, necessarily exempt from any County permitting or other County ordinances that would limit an individual's home gardening efforts in conjunction with section 1.
(Section) 2.
Should neighbor complaints that are not related to section 2.(a), or that are not related to a specific medically verifiable toxic health risk to the public arise as an official complaint to the County as a result of an individual(s) exercising the rights as described in section 1., (and not withstanding any effected party choosing to seek remedy and or reparations by way of litigation through civil proceedings), all the effected parties shall be directed to mediation provided for by the County of Lake, and if resolution between the effected parties cannot be achieved in a reasonable effort to mediate (to be determined by the appointed mediator), the effected parties shall then continue mediation at their own expense (to be equally divided between the effected parties) until a resolution between the parties can be agreed upon, or until one of the effected parties withdraws from the mediation.
(Section) 2.(a)
That All who exercise the rights described in section 1., shall take reasonable care to prevent environmental destruction, and are responsible to mitigate any possible foreseen negative impacts on the natural environments, and all persons who neglect such practices shall be subject to the authority designated under section 2.(b) herein, but such remedies are to be used to help individuals come into compliance with this section and not to unreasonably burden individuals who exercise the rights described in section 1.
(Section) 2.(b)
That the County of Lake Environmental Health Department shall administer over individual circumstances that may arise related to section 2. and section 2.(a), herein, but all such administrative authority and compliance inquiries shall be restricted to circumstances where a verifiable neighbor (or resident of the county) complaint in writing and signed by the complainant has been officially registered with the county.
(Section) 3.
That All County, State and Federal criminal laws existing in conflict with individual's exercising the human rights as described in section 1., (and not withstanding an individual in violation of using illegal gardening chemicals, including but not limited to, certain pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and fertilizers), are to be set aside unless it can be determined that the individual circumstance is occurring within the context of 'commerce' related activities as defined herein, or if an individual's violations of Section 2.(a) herein are to the extent of violating a criminal statute.
For the express purposes of this document the word "commerce" shall be taken to mean:
"The buying and selling of goods or services in any form, and in direct reference to the exchange of United States currency (or other such legally recognized tender) for such goods or services."
(Section) 3.(a)
If any provision of this Initiative or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, such invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the Initiative which can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this Initiative are severable. The People of the County of Lake hereby declare that we would have adopted this Initiative irrespective of the invalidity of any particular portion thereof.
SunJ
Member
The only thing that stands out to me is the wording. While beautifully stated, it will not be easily understood by most. My suggestion would be to keep what you have and add like a Readers Digest version using bullet points. Put in as few words the purpose of each section and what they mean for the reader.
I think you'll find audiences much more receptive to your message then.
I think you'll find audiences much more receptive to your message then.
DNAprotection
Well-Known Member
good points SunJ, thanks
ok hows this:
County of Lake, State of California
Ordinance No. 11564
Freedom to Grow Plants, Human Rights Restoration Initiative
Declaration:
Whereas in the State of California, the people of the County of Lake do hereby find and declare that:
When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for people to reaffirm and reestablish the fundamental human rights with which they are naturally endowed, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's origins entitle them, and to recognize a decent respect for the opinions of humankind, requires that they should declare the causes which compel them to come forward toward the reestablishment of those rights.
We hold these truths to be self-evident:
That all humans beings are created equal. That human beings are naturally endowed with certain rights, and that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and that to secure these rights, governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, and that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to re-declare and reestablish the inherent human rights that would intrinsically correct such governmental negligence, and to reconstitute such in a form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
Therefore, in accordance with the 9th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America,
Amendment IX:
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.",
and also in accordance with the California State Constitution, Article 1 Declaration of Rights, Section 21.: ..."This declaration of rights may not be construed to impair or deny others retained by the people.",
and, also as consistent with County of Lake Ordinance No. 2267 in relation to private property rights, and,
whereas disregard and contempt for certain human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of humankind, and, whereas in a world which human beings endeavor to enjoy freedom of speech and belief, and where freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of peoples everywhere, be it here proclaimed that it has become necessary to reaffirm and specifically re-constitute the self evident inherent freedom to grow and use plants as described herein:
(Section) 1. Findings:
That human beings are naturally endowed with the fundamental right to have and grow the natural plants of this earth, and the naturally occurring seeds thereof, to be used for their own needs as individuals in pursuit of life and in effort to live, and that such basic human rights have been recognized and acknowledged to exist and that these rights are held in perpetuity outside of the constitutional responsibility of a government to protect an individual's right to engage in commerce.
(Section) 1.(a)
That all County of Lake residents who exercise the rights described in section 1., and are compliant with section 2.(a), and are gardening outside (outdoors) or in green houses (and not withstanding any generally applicable urgency ordinance(s) specifically relating to water conservation), are, as accorded in the paragraphs above, necessarily exempt from any County permitting or other County ordinances that would limit an individual's home gardening efforts in conjunction with section 1.
(Section) 2. Responsibilities:
Should neighbor complaints that are not related to section 2.(a), or that are not related to a specific medically verifiable toxic health risk to the public arise as an official complaint to the County as a result of an individual(s) exercising the rights as described in section 1., (and not withstanding any effected party choosing to seek remedy and or reparations by way of litigation through civil proceedings), all the effected parties shall be directed to mediation provided for by the County of Lake, and if resolution between the effected parties cannot be achieved in a reasonable effort to mediate (to be determined by the appointed mediator), the effected parties shall then continue mediation at their own expense (to be equally divided between the effected parties) until a resolution between the parties can be agreed upon, or until one of the effected parties withdraws from the mediation.
(Section) 2.(a)
All who exercise the rights described in section 1., shall take reasonable care to prevent environmental destruction, and are responsible to mitigate any possible foreseen negative impacts on the natural environments, and all persons who neglect such practices shall be subject to the authority designated under section 2.(b) herein, but such remedies are to be used to help individuals come into compliance with this section and not to unreasonably burden individuals who exercise the rights described in section 1.
(Section) 2.(b)
The County of Lake Environmental Health Department shall administer over individual circumstances that may arise related to section 2. and section 2.(a), herein, but all such administrative authority and compliance inquiries shall be restricted to circumstances where a verifiable neighbor (or resident of the county) complaint in writing and signed by the complainant has been officially registered with the county.
(Section) 3. Special Circumstances:
County, State and Federal criminal laws existing in conflict with individual's exercising the human rights as described in section 1., (and not withstanding an individual in violation of using illegal gardening chemicals, including but not limited to, certain pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and fertilizers), are to be set aside unless it can be determined that the individual circumstance is occurring within the context of 'commerce' related activities as defined herein, or if an individual's violation(s) of Section 2.(a) herein are to the extent of violating a criminal statute.
(Section) 4. Definitions:
(a) For the express purposes of this document the word "commerce" shall be taken to mean:
"The buying and selling of goods or services in any form, and in direct reference to the exchange of United States currency (or other such legally recognized tender) for such goods or services."
(b) For the express purposes of this document the words phrased as "compliance inquiries" shall be taken to mean:
"A written and delivered inquiry, and an in person inquiry as to responding to (a) specific complaint(s), and to which access to inspect private property shall only be in circumstances where the respondent has voluntarily agreed to and granted such access, or where on an individual basis, a court order has provided for such access."
(c) For the express purposes of this document the words phrased as "to be used for their own needs" shall be taken to mean:
"For use as food, medicine, fiber, fuel, building materials, environmental damage mitigation or other environmental concerns, privacy, aesthetics or ambiance, spiritual/religious requirement, (or other) basic necessities of life."
(d) For the express purposes of Section 1. of this document, the word "natural" and the words phrased as "naturally occurring" shall be taken to mean:
Plant species and varieties of such that have evolved in nature through the traditional pollination and cross pollination processes, be that by wind/weather, or animal (including human) assistance.
(Section) 5.
If any provision of this Initiative or the application thereof to any person or circumstance is held invalid, such invalidity shall not affect other provisions or applications of the Initiative which can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to this end the provisions of this Initiative are severable. The People of the County of Lake hereby declare that we would have adopted this Initiative irrespective of the invalidity of any particular portion thereof.
DNAprotection
Well-Known Member
thanks bro thats good news...we have also now changed the heading to this:
County of Lake, State of California
'The Freedom to Grow Plants, Human Rights Restoration Act of 2014'
An Ordinance to restore the self evident Human Right to grow and use plants for the basic necessities of life
thats good news...we have also now changed the heading to this:County of Lake, State of California
'The Freedom to Grow Plants, Human Rights Restoration Act of 2014'
An Ordinance to restore the self evident Human Right to grow and use plants for the basic necessities of life