White Rhino plants dying!! STRESSFUL, WORRYING TIMES! HELP!!

ENGLAND123 said:

im going to re pot them into bigger pots and get rid of this old soil and start with fresh soil straight away - also add some dr horbys iguana juice grow at half strength - surely this will be the best plan of action - i think i will wait till the leaves die off as i havnt got rid of them yet!

the fresh soil will have new nutes in it aswell as feeding them every other watering. then wait 2 weeks till flowering under a 600w HPS - the temps and humid is fine - the ph of soil is 7 and the water is left for days to let chlorine evaporate


SHOULD I KEEP THESE DYING LEAFS ON THE PLANT EVEN THO THEY ARE YELLOW AND BROWN AND REAL CRISPY? WOULD YOU REMOVE THEM THEN TRANSPLANT 2MORROW? I CUD GO REMOVE THEM NOW? IF I UP THE IGUANA JUICE TO HALF STRENGTH AND ADD NEW SOIL WHEN TRANSPLANT DO YOU THINK THIS WILL RECTIFY THE PROBLEM?

Click to expand...

remember that the soil will have nutes in it 2, so if ur gunna add half strengh nutes u may well burn ur plants, rem theyr not used to nutes, i told u to start 1/4 strength then slowly work ur way up, u dont wanna burn ur babies do u, ur only gunna add insult to injury if u go to hard to fast, do it slowly and be patient and u will notice the plants perking up after a week or so.

ok mate thanks for the info - so re-pot them 2moz ok into 3 or 5 gallon pots. Brand new FRESH soil which will have nutes in it - feed every other watering with 1/4 strength for a few feeds then up it to 1/2 strength and then hopefully they shud start to get back in order? sound like the best plant - then wait for the dying, yellow, brown spotted leaves to fall off?

guess im just a bush man!!
just 3 little ladies.
Do you have to be a friend to check journals?
Couldnt find one.

dangledo said:

guess im just a bush man!!
just 3 little ladies.
Do you have to be a friend to check journals?
Couldnt find one.

Click to expand...

have u ever stopped to think that ur plants can double even tripple in height and still be bushy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???

i know mine where, look for 600wMediGreenGrowers bigbud journal and watch the progress, they will be massive bushy plants with hudge buds, check it out man.

England- Just hit lights out for 36+ hours to induce flowering. Gave them flowering nutes, and supplements at heavy feed ratio, 1000-1100 ppm and have never seen any burn. A week after transplant. those ladies, not babies, are old enough to take some juice, especially your organic grow nutes. My plants are the same age, and just took all of these nutes including bud factor x. I have done this several times with no problems at all. Remember these lady rhinos can take a blasting of nutes and not blink. Even in bio bizz.
Pics are of nutes given at full strength, 2 days prior to inducing. Its promix so any problems would arise somewhat quickly. Ladies are at 35 days, in 20 gallon containers.

Greetings from across the pond... From the information I have gathered it seems when you start from seed the plants have a tendency to not bush out as much, until you take a clone and grow that. The reason given is that the hormone activity for growth is accelerated in a cut clone, making it get bushier. Ive never started from seed myself, always using clones (ive only been doing this for about a year or so), but one thing I do know for a fact is POT SIZE MATTERS. Your plants can only get as big as their roots get, so plan on using at least a 3 gallon pot if you want a decent sized plant *covers head from all the people who use 2 gallon pots chucking them at me*... I use 5 gallon ones myself..

And go with a feeding schedule for your nutes. Usually the company will release a guide that has how much you should use at different stages of growth, and you pretty much increase exponentially as you go along.. Anyway, man, hope this helps. Remember, plants love routine, and personally I think they NEED the off time in veg, so you may want to try that next time too...(turning your lights down to 18/6)... I didnt catch what kind of lights you said you were using.. Was it 600hps?

600wMediGreenGrower said:

have u ever stopped to think that ur plants can double even tripple in height and still be bushy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???

i know mine where, look for 600wMediGreenGrowers bigbud journal and watch the progress, they will be massive bushy plants with hudge buds, check it out man.

Click to expand...

Yes I have, and I try to avoid that at all cost. Let me say, your are the first one I have ever come across that likes plants to stretch.
Did you ever think that these are two totally different strains, with a totally different background?
Bigbud is sativa dominate, rhino is indica dominate. Sativas are finicky feeders, indicas take a blast.
And what kind of medical grower, grows bidbud?
your harvested plants have dark green leafs. They should be at least 70 yellow or more. Indicating that they have used up their nutrient supply. And are chalk full of nutes.

dangledo - ur yeild and quality of bud looks classical! right so mate

i need what to do next step by step please if you wudnt mind - i want plants like urs! so 2moz = go buy 5 gallon tubs - fill up with fresh soil and re pot the plants - then add 1/2 strength iguana juice after theve been repotted - then leave in veg for about a week or so jus to settle into new 5 gallon pots - and keep feeding every other watering - so 1 week on sunday - i will then turn the lights off for 36 hours to induce flowering then after 36 hours i will then start bud blood for a week then start with big bud on week 2 along with a base nute.... the light ive used for veg has been a 150w flu 24/7 and ill be using a HPS 600W for flowering - dangledo - if you were in my position would you cut them real bad yellow dead leafs off with scissors? holla at me bruv if you can - i need ur knowledge passed down - my mouth is watering at ur plants WOW! CLASS

That all sounds good to me. Cutting leafs off or just in half wont do much harm depending on how crazy you get. so cutting leafs in half is no different than when you would a clone for transpiration reasons, so it wont hurt. I took off all lower branches tonight actually, picture. Just make sure you disinfect your scissors first, and take any petiole or branch off at a 45 degree angle. If you can find something with b vitamins, especially b1, they help out with transplant shock. I use Superthrive and it works great for transplant (little to no shock). It can get pricey but using mycos' and tricadermas', beneficial bacterias with some carbs/sugars added, will cause some incredible root growth. I use Great white and voodoo every water (reverse osmosis) through veg and little later in flower. You are already on the right path with your organics, and avoiding at all cost CHLORINE.
I hit my ladies up with budblood, not at full strength, a day before inducing flower. So that the nutes are also helping out with flower formation when the lights go out. I do go huge on my containers, only to get the biggest root formation possible. More roots, bigger surface are to take food. So 5 gallons are plenty big. Hope this helps, Ill keep up with you and I update my albums for reference. WOLF COOKIES AND GORILLA MILK OUT.

pic does no justice for size but they are around a foot tall,30cm. and 22 inches, 55cm wide.

thats great man - thanks alot - i'll do that then exactly what ive said and uve recommended and in a few days after ive cut the dead leafs off and re- potted etc ill update some pics for you to show you how its going! thanks for great assistance and hopefully i can get back on track -

1 last thing - wot u mean by cut leaves in half? shudnt i jus get rid of the branch of the dead dying yellowin horrid leaves?

ENGLAND123 said:

1 last thing - wot u mean by cut leaves in half? shudnt i jus get rid of the branch of the dead dying yellowin horrid leaves?

Click to expand...

he means to just cut of the dead bits, if the parts effected are lower down the plant ( at the bottom ) u can remove the leaf completely, remember tho if u do go nuts and remove to many u could stress the plant to much and it may go hermie on u. i just leave mine drop off = less stress on the plant.
when the plant is in flower u should avoid trimming and cuting leaves unless completely nessesary.

thats a lot of rumbling.
your problem is NOT an N defficiency as it affects the lower leaves faster than the top ones. Adding fertilizers wont solve the problem.

I'd guess its a PH issue (what is the PH of the water you water with?) combined with venting \ humidity issue (whats your venting and humidity readings? do you have a vent circulating air around the plants?).

Root binding weakens the plant, but not to that stage. Just makes it more vulnerable.

If you can pull the plant out of the pot and the roots grab all of the medium - it is rootbound. You don't want that.

When you see roots trying to escape from your draining holes you should check how far developed are your roots.
More root space will make a more sturdy plant, and it will be able to get over your mistakes.

20 gallon containers?! Are you growing 5 meter tall trees in it?!
I use 25 LITER containers (around 6 gallons) for 1.5meter tall bushes and got plenty of room left.

ok ok ok! well people! i see there has been a few comments since i last was on here! i have had a good day as far as the babies go. I bought some 5 gallon pot today and re-planted!!! so i filled the bio bizz all mix soil up to near the top and re-potted - had a great transplant! before i transplanted them thought i 'disinfected' some scissors and cut off all the dead and real bad leafs that i could see on all of the plants! (i didnt go over the top i jus cut the bad ones) anywayz after i cut them off (on a 45 degree angle) i re planted - each plant came out fine and was in and planted back in the 5 gallon pot in no time - to avoid as much stress as i could - i then put them back into my grow medium under the 150w flu and i must admit they look soo much better in these bigger pots - they also look happyier if that makes sense? all the bad leafs have gone and there lookin back to normal - the temp is around 70 degrees and 65 degrees at night time - they have a fan for circulation air and they get alot of carbon dioxide as im always in the room checkin on them, as well as the fan and the room is a nice size - as for the PH of the water this i dont know - its tap water left for 24 hours and 48 hours at times. The water from tap isnt too bad i dont think but i will get a ph tester and find out - the PH of the soil is 6.8 if i can remember correctly 'bio bizz all mix' and the nutes are Iguana juice grow - hopefully the new soil with nutes in it can solve this problem and i will get a water PH tester to find out what the PH is - maybe for the next few waterings i will use some spring water or something?. what is the best water to use? mineral water? spring water? this mite help for new few waterings? well i hope this re-plant and new soil and cutting off all the dead real bad leaves will help my babies to grow and recover from the nite mare they were in this last week - there still in VEG and will be left for flowering in just less than 2 weeks - they do look soo much better tho and now are much easier to water - i will water 2moz i think with some spring water - any tips or ideas people. Im not feeling alot better bout the health of my plants after all of this .......... WHAT A DIFFERENCE A DAY MAKES :d

VENTING AND HUMIDITY READINGS?

WELL HUMIDITY IS AROUND 40-60 DEGRESS
TEMPS AROUND AROUND 65-78 IN NITE AND DAY
VENTING TEMPS??? NOT A CLUE - THEY GET A NICE BIT OF VENTING AND I HAVE A FAN BLOWING ALL FRESH AIR AROUND FOR AROUND 12 HOURS A DAY NOT DIRECTLY ON THE PLANTS BUT IN THE GROW SPACE -

just re-read ur post

If you can pull the plant out of the pot and the roots grab all of the medium - it is rootbound. You don't want that.

yep that happend! so it might be root bound problems! there now in fresh soil in 5 gallon pots each so this should help - they look alot better now - them 2 gallon pots where way to small so least i will know for next time!

feed with 1/2 strength every other watering leave watering 2/3 days at a time - start flowering a week on sunday - just before flowering leave plants for 36 hours in complete darkness no water or nutes in this time then start on bud blood for 1st week and then from week 2 big bud and another base nutrient

any tips or helps you growing experts? god i didnt realise how much of a noob was i thought i read everything! i guess not - nothing can prepare you for a REAL LIFe grow i guess - ive learnt alot just off this 1st grow!

the dead leafs and brown and yellow leafs have all been cut off on a 45 deg angle and all lookin much better - got the doors open on the grow medium as we speak with a fan circulating fresh aint - trying to eradicate alll problems!

ENGLAND123 said:

- i then put them back into my grow medium under the 150w flu and i must admit they look soo much better in these bigger pots - they also look happier if that makes sense?-

Click to expand...

yes that makes perfect sense.. They can look happier... I think so anyway...

ENGLAND123 said:

just re-read ur post

If you can pull the plant out of the pot and the roots grab all of the medium - it is rootbound. You don't want that.

yep that happend! so it might be root bound problems! there now in fresh soil in 5 gallon pots each so this should help - they look alot better now - them 2 gallon pots where way to small so least i will know for next time!

feed with 1/2 strength every other watering leave watering 2/3 days at a time - start flowering a week on sunday - just before flowering leave plants for 36 hours in complete darkness no water or nutes in this time then start on bud blood for 1st week and then from week 2 big bud and another base nutrient

any tips or helps you growing experts? god i didnt realise how much of a noob was i thought i read everything! i guess not - nothing can prepare you for a REAL LIFe grow i guess - ive learnt alot just off this 1st grow!

the dead leafs and brown and yellow leafs have all been cut off on a 45 deg angle and all lookin much better - got the doors open on the grow medium as we speak with a fan circulating fresh aint - trying to eradicate alll problems!

Click to expand...

cant u get some pics up m8??

yeh i will
i'll take some pics now and post them to show you the new situation ie pots and plants! give me 30 minutes and ill start a new thread and post on here so you all know! i dont know how to put them up on this same thread so ill start a new thread ok people!

THANKS ALOT FOR ALL HELP - IM HOPING THERE WILL BE NO MORE PROBLEMS! 1/2 STRENGTH FEED TOMOZ FOR THE BABYS

right ok can you see the thread? doesnt seem to be coming up - has pics of how they look now? any 1