Who voted in this law?

bob harris · Jun 6, 2012

Like 3.5 million voted this in..right? There are 140,000 or so registered card holders..right?

Why the huge difference? The only reason I ask this is to get you to consider that the 140,000 of us medical cannabis card holders....is a really teeny percentage of that voter total. That's like 4% percent of the voters that made this happen.

maybe we should consider how they want "our" law to work...isn't it their law too? Or after voting it in, do the patients and cg's have the only say?

Just something to chew on...

DankGrower · Jun 6, 2012

The break down was out of 9,946,900 ish adults in Michigan at the time of voting 3,006,820 said yes and 1,790,889 said no. So really less than 1/3 of the states population was actually willing to vote for MMJ

bob harris · Jun 6, 2012

DankGrower said:
The break down was out of 9,946,900 ish adults in Michigan at the time of voting 3,006,820 said yes and 1,790,889 said no. So really less than 1/3 of the states population was actually willing to vote for MMJ

true..never thought of it that way...were a lot of voters that didn't vote....the 63% was of voters that turned out..not all voters.

Wow..there are a lot of people that are entitled to have a view on this topic...I mean..it was a voters initiative....not a patient care giver initiative....hmmmmm

bob harris · Jun 7, 2012

DankGrower said:
The break down was out of 9,946,900 ish adults in Michigan at the time of voting 3,006,820 said yes and 1,790,889 said no. So really less than 1/3 of the states population was actually willing to vote for MMJ

But Dank...why so few card holders compared to voters?

DankGrower · Jun 7, 2012

Out of the 10 million or so Michiganders how many do you really think have chronic and debilitating illnesses ? Our law currently excludes a large part of the conditions which would really benefit from MMJ. Be that as it is this is Medical Marijuana NOT everyone gets a free weed card how many do you think there should be?? It is also my personal opinion there is a lot of suspicion from the general public that LEO will abuse the MMMJ database and they will be turned over to the feds, in addition I think most people would prefer to get that prescription from the DR they would normally see but a lot of them wont sign the needed paperwork for fear of exclusion and retribution from the medical groups they are affiliated with, but that is just my personal opinion.

vilify · Jun 7, 2012

DankGrower said:
The break down was out of 9,946,900 ish adults in Michigan at the time of voting 3,006,820 said yes and 1,790,889 said no. So really less than 1/3 of the states population was actually willing to vote for MMJ

that would be the total population.
there were actually only about 7mill registered voters. that would put the number much closer to 50%.

you cant really say the rest were unwilling. thats not really something you alone could determine.

DankGrower · Jun 7, 2012

vilify said:
that would be the total population.
there were actually only about 7mill registered voters. that would put the number much closer to 50%.

you cant really say the rest were unwilling. thats not really something you alone could determine.

7,470,764 registered for 2008 elections if you really want count.9,946,900 would be adult population. however only we each have a choice to register to vote or not. Choosing not register means your not willing to vote for anything. Of the registered voters only 5,039,080 showed up to vote on election day. Of those it seems only 4,797,709 wanted to cast a vote about the Michigan MMJ bill proposed for our great state. So that being said when I use my wizard like math skills we are able to determine that 30.22% of the people think we should have Medical Marijuana. Or if you prefer to use only the registered voting population then only 40.24% of Michigan actually want to have MMJ I know word problems can be hard.

bob harris · Jun 7, 2012

DankGrower said:
Out of the 10 million or so Michiganders how many do you really think have chronic and debilitating illnesses ? Our law currently excludes a large part of the conditions which would really benefit from MMJ. Be that as it is this is Medical Marijuana NOT everyone gets a free weed card how many do you think there should be?? It is also my personal opinion there is a lot of suspicion from the general public that LEO will abuse the MMMJ database and they will be turned over to the feds, in addition I think most people would prefer to get that prescription from the DR they would normally see but a lot of them wont sign the needed paperwork for fear of exclusion and retribution from the medical groups they are affiliated with, but that is just my personal opinion.

I don't think that many of the card holders have Chronic and debilitating conditions. And I think anyone can get a card. Chop shop doc's everywhere. That's not to say that everyone with a card doesn't have a need. Just saying that getting a card is pretty easy if you want..err..need one.

And that vast difference in voter numbers to card holder numbers would indicate that many, many. many..like millions of people who voted yes, had no intention of using the law...wouldn't you agree? Because like you said, 40%..63% whatever the number....very few would have chronic and debilitating conditions.

I'm just trying to figure out who should have a say in how the law is implemented. Because to me it seems like now that it is voted in..most people here, think only the card holders should decide.....and I was under the impression that it was a voter initiative..meaning all the voters should have a say...

Cory and trevor · Jun 7, 2012

See bob, some folks think of others and don't get pissed when it doesn't effect them at all. A NO vote was for no pot for anyone ever a YES vote was to say someone in your opinion could benifit and should from pot. I know many MANY voters that helped us out and all of those 100% don't give a rat's furry ass how it's "regulated" they knew it was regulated before, poorly, to be completely illegal and that's the oposite of their wishes. my mom qualifies in spades, very rarely uses and doesn't have a card for hip dysplasia and other ailments (chronic pain) I have 5 other family members in the same boat and it's because of the way users have been treated in past, fear of their employer finding out and other shit along the same lines so they don't get a card but they support the movement and voted for it. Bob thinks they are awful criminals who should get a card and a wheelchair and be publically sad all the time. I think they are the reason bob gets a card now and not a jail cell. They are all over 50 BTW and more then those people voted for it in my family. The general concensus is that it's a plant, let it go forget it completely legally and just erase the law concerning pot off the books regulate it like say baking soda or peanut butter or something as dangerous like air. At any rate bob, this thread and another thread I'm saying an age breakdown would floor you homie the young people came out in force for Obama and saw pot on the ballot and thought holy shit ti's christmas I should vote more! I saw at the polls. you're chronically stuck-up brother. When we all got cards then cards will be stupid and pointless and weird; that's where I want to be at and I bet alot of your voters are the same way. it's such a non-issue to most they will check the box if it's there but pot heads and sick people have to do the leg work to get it on the ballot. average dudes without debilitating conditions have average jobs that keep them hostage and keep them from sticking their neck out but they will check the box when it's just them and their opinions in a voters booth. your concern of what others think and percieve you and your community is a little crazy hyped up. people see what they will and what they want to see regardless of what's really going on.

HomeLessBeans · Jun 7, 2012

I live in a very conservative rural community. I was busted very publiclly just before the vote. Little gray-haired gun toten church ladies have proudly told me they voted yes just because of people like me. The waste of money to spank me really pissed em off too.

Cory and trevor · Jun 7, 2012

I remember a thing a speaker in my law class said back in 11th grade about juries. He said if you want a convicting jury pick young men, if you want an unbiased position on the law and an interpretation of the letter of the law you want a jury of older people (preferably ladies). His point was that books and their covers do not always appear to go together. In obscenity cases and cases of hardcore pornography being defended and offensive speach as well; those with life experience (the elderly even female of the population) are much harder to shock and disuade with propoganda. they see what is and not, what is percieved in most cases. He spoke about landmark cases being settled by young people biased and full of ideals not lawful facts being overturned by supreme court judges both state and federal. Basically, I think you're not giving credit to the grey-haired old folks out there Bob. These are people from the depression era who know what is actually important and what's a fucking plant and made up hysteria.

DankGrower · Jun 7, 2012

Cory and trevor said:
See bob, some folks think of others and don't get pissed when it doesn't effect them at all. A NO vote was for no pot for anyone ever a YES vote was to say someone in your opinion could benifit and should from pot. I know many MANY voters that helped us out and all of those 100% don't give a rat's furry ass how it's "regulated" they knew it was regulated before, poorly, to be completely illegal and that's the oposite of their wishes. my mom qualifies in spades, very rarely uses and doesn't have a card for hip dysplasia and other ailments (chronic pain) I have 5 other family members in the same boat and it's because of the way users have been treated in past, fear of their employer finding out and other shit along the same lines so they don't get a card but they support the movement and voted for it. Bob thinks they are awful criminals who should get a card and a wheelchair and be publically sad all the time. I think they are the reason bob gets a card now and not a jail cell. They are all over 50 BTW and more then those people voted for it in my family. The general concensus is that it's a plant, let it go forget it completely legally and just erase the law concerning pot off the books regulate it like say baking soda or peanut butter or something as dangerous like air. At any rate bob, this thread and another thread I'm saying an age breakdown would floor you homie the young people came out in force for Obama and saw pot on the ballot and thought holy shit ti's christmas I should vote more! I saw at the polls. you're chronically stuck-up brother. When we all got cards then cards will be stupid and pointless and weird; that's where I want to be at and I bet alot of your voters are the same way. it's such a non-issue to most they will check the box if it's there but pot heads and sick people have to do the leg work to get it on the ballot. average dudes without debilitating conditions have average jobs that keep them hostage and keep them from sticking their neck out but they will check the box when it's just them and their opinions in a voters booth. your concern of what others think and percieve you and your community is a little crazy hyped up. people see what they will and what they want to see regardless of what's really going on.

According to the voting data provided by the State of Michigan Registration of voters 18-25 was at an all time high. However voter turn out at the polls was the lowest it has been in michigan since 1988. So nope it had very little to do with young people. However in the over 55 group voter turn out was at an all time high. According to polls here in Michigan in 2011 57% of the people are concerned with the lack of regulation for medical marijuana. When asked in exit polls in 2008 74% of voters said they would have voted NO to unregulated marijuana. Maybe you are the one seeing what you want and not what is really going on.

DankGrower · Jun 7, 2012

bob harris said:
I don't think that many of the card holders have Chronic and debilitating conditions. And I think anyone can get a card. Chop shop doc's everywhere. That's not to say that everyone with a card doesn't have a need. Just saying that getting a card is pretty easy if you want..err..need one.

And that vast difference in voter numbers to card holder numbers would indicate that many, many. many..like millions of people who voted yes, had no intention of using the law...wouldn't you agree? Because like you said, 40%..63% whatever the number....very few would have chronic and debilitating conditions.

I'm just trying to figure out who should have a say in how the law is implemented. Because to me it seems like now that it is voted in..most people here, think only the card holders should decide.....and I was under the impression that it was a voter initiative..meaning all the voters should have a say...

I never said you couldn't get a card. I said its my personal opinion most people would prefer not to do business with the "chop docs" I personally choose to visit one of these less than ideal doctors because I am not currently in a place in my life were I can afford to have new tests done to confirm the chronic deformation of my spine, hip and knee joints. On my good days you or anyone else would say why does that guy need medical marijuana he seems to get around just fine. What the public doesn't see is the days when I have to chew norco like skittles to make it to the bathroom without crawling across the flor crying in pain all along the way.

Yes I do agree a great many people who had no intention of using medical marijuana voted yes it is something we should have. I think those people who supported the MMMJ act could see a lot of good in it and wanted to be sure it was something they would be able to have access to when the time comes they or their loved ones needed it.

Timmahh · Jun 7, 2012

and why one would spend SO MUCH time and Effort to continually TEAR DOWN This Act, while So many of Us try to constantly' LIFT IT UP, and Support it, so it WILL Be there, AS PASSED, when the citizens of the state want it...

See this law was passed BY Michiganders For Michigander, and citizens of other, less compassionate states.

What is wrong with wanting to be the Best place on earth to Live, especially considering we have a great Medical Cannabis Act, Upheld by the State of Michigan Supreme Court, for the Citizens.

SO how are those people going to feel when they realize this act was Lost not to compassion, but to its own members tearing it down because they are buying Bill Schuettes and the Governments Hype that

Pot Baaaaaad
Beeeer Goood.

bob harris · Jun 7, 2012

Timmahh said:
and why one would spend SO MUCH time and Effort to continually TEAR DOWN This Act, while So many of Us try to constantly' LIFT IT UP, and Support it, so it WILL Be there, AS PASSED, when the citizens of the state want it...

See this law was passed BY Michiganders For Michigander, and citizens of other, less compassionate states.

What is wrong with wanting to be the Best place on earth to Live, especially considering we have a great Medical Cannabis Act, Upheld by the State of Michigan Supreme Court, for the Citizens.

SO how are those people going to feel when they realize this act was Lost not to compassion, but to its own members tearing it down because they are buying Bill Schuettes and the Governments Hype that

Pot Baaaaaad
Beeeer Goood.

Timmah..I really wish you had basic reading and interpretation skills. I am not at all about tearing down this act...I'm about seeing it implemented in a way that shows a modicum of dignity and respect.

While your were shouting "block the bills" I was in my reps ear getting them worded better. You were calling me an idiot for doing so...but seemed to like the new wording.
You read things into the act to suit your wishes..and proclaim it as truth. You are very dangerous to anyone that wants to keep medical cannabis.

I simply say that too many people are flaunting and stretching limits, and that they hurt the cause they say they love.

Your position is a free for all.

And you still haven't told me how to implement this law 'as written"

Do you see the need to amend the law yet?

Timmahh · Jun 7, 2012

I was in my reps ear, your reps ear, the govenors ear, the senates ear, that being this is a People's Initiative, the most basic and fundamental part of this act, that they do NOT have the Authority to interpret it as they wish.

I was in their ears, offices, and phone systems, mail boxes, and email boxes as well.

So While your chat with your rep about illegal changes to a People's Initiative is quaint and all, it really only helped create the problems the MSC is now tasked to sort out.

bob harris · Jun 7, 2012

Timmahh said:
I was in my reps ear, your reps ear, the govenors ear, the senates ear, that being this is a People's Initiative, the most basic and fundamental part of this act, that they do NOT have the Authority to interpret it as they wish.

I was in their ears, offices, and phone systems, mail boxes, and email boxes as well.

So While your chat with your rep about illegal changes to a People's Initiative is quaint and all, it really only helped create the problems the MSC is now tasked to sort out.

No Timmahh...you were protesting outside to BLOCK the bills...you made you position extremely clear...I was encouraging people to help shape them..and you were attacking me.......
Now you claim credit...but that's what you do.

The SC was destined to sort out problems the second the initiative passed. They are only getting started. Have you even paid attention to what happens in other States that have passed medical cannabis? You thought Michigan would be different?

The only difference in Michigan, is the relative lightning speed that issues are being addressed. Michigan has the advantage of learning from other States mistakes.

The vast majority of problems for true patient's and caregiver's have been caused by the card holding, loud mouth, legalize zealots like yourself.

DankGrower · Jun 7, 2012

Timmahh said:
I was in my reps ear, your reps ear, the govenors ear, the senates ear, that being this is a People's Initiative, the most basic and fundamental part of this act, that they do NOT have the Authority to interpret it as they wish.

I was in their ears, offices, and phone systems, mail boxes, and email boxes as well.

So While your chat with your rep about illegal changes to a People's Initiative is quaint and all, it really only helped create the problems the MSC is now tasked to sort out.

I hope with all my heart this is a lie because if you are the voice of medical marijuana in Michigan we are gonna have real problems coming our way. I haven't seen any evidence you even understand the clear and simple language of the laws your talking about.

bob harris · Jun 7, 2012

DankGrower said:
I hope with all my heart this is a lie because if you are the voice of medical marijuana in Michigan we are gonna have real problems coming our way. I haven't seen any evidence you even understand the clear and simple language of the laws your talking about.

I sure agree with that.

Timmahh · Jun 7, 2012

I spoke to many of those involved with this act. I certainly Protested the issue they have of not wanting to follow the Peoples Initiative.

I was only at one rally protest, that was held in Saginaw late last fall protesting the closed door meetings Bill Schuette was illegally having with his "Clearing the Air" meetings.

Otherwise, My momentum has been geared toward those in the House of Reps and Senate... and stopping the illegal attempts to change this act with the Improper idea of its interpretation.

Sorry bout your set back and hurry up and wait stance guys, but if the People waited for the government to do the right thing, We would still be in Europe.

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