Why are conspiracy theorists so dumb?

cannabineer said:

If you would only post links that have something to do with the argument, you'd have a bit more traction. A life on ice has taught me much about that. You have a distressing capacity to say [arrant horsepoop] is fact, and not provide any corroborating evidence. Just boom state [arrant horsepoop] is fact. I am providing the lurkers the invaluable service of interrupting the flow of equine-digestive propaganda and activating the Dude-Wait-Wut! gland. cn

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That response BEGS the question, are you related to Bill Clinton? Lol

budlover13 said:

That response BEGS the question, are you related to Bill Clinton? Lol

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See post #109. cn

LetsGetCritical said:

I don't often delve into conspiracy theories but here's one that's close to home http://www.conspiracy-cafe.com/apps/blog/show/21453279-the-port-arthur-massacre-was-martin-bryant-framed- this simpleton singlehandedly brought about strict gun laws in Oz?

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Stay thirsty my friend.

jtprin said:

Great rebuttal. Go jerk off to some polar bears and stop wasting my time with your delusional responses that do nothing to counter my argument.

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I have my doubts if he's really a pinko liberal at heart, but at least be civil. It's not like he's Buck, after all.

jtprin said:

Go jerk off to some polar bears

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do i have to? again?

guy incognito said:

How the hell would you know how much formaldehyde is put into the vaccines?

From the FDA.

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/vaccines/approvedproducts/ucm093833.htm
http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228#t3

Because the people administering and profiting off them told you so?

The stuff physically exists. It's not secret why the formaldehyde is there or how much. This sentence demonstrates why I think you are a conspiracy theorist.

Besides, ingesting isn't the same thing as injecting.

Read this:
http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2012/04/demystifying-vaccine-ingredients.html

Again, just because you're close-minded and automatically reject anything from naturalnews doesn't disprove the factual information they publish. They're not perfect and have made mistakes in the past, but who hasn't?

I have given them plenty of chances. Once I fully check into their sources and check out the data for myself I come to a different interpretation. There is making mistakes and there is being disingenuous. Naturalnews does both.

And I'll ask this question again, what do you have to say about the mercury, MSG, and aluminum? And where is the evidence that vaccines have eradicated ANY diseases? Take polio for example... http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html. Vaccines did not save us or extend our lifespan... cleaner water, better hygiene, easier access to food, technological advancements, better living conditions, etc. are why we live longer. Of course the pharmaceutical industry is going to claim they're safe and recommend everyone get them... they make HUGE PROFITS off vaccines.

http://genesgreenbook.com/content/proof-vaccines-didnt-save-us
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/6/5/00-0512_article.htm

Why do people who have been vaccinated still get diseases?

Edit: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/7400043/Whooping-cough-vaccine-ineffective-study

Why has over $2 billion been awarded to vaccine victims by the federal government?

I don't have time to fully address the rest of this tonight. I will respond in a day or two.

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This amount of formaldehyde would, according to wikipedia and various other (actually legit) sources, not do very much to anyone. One µg equals 1 microgram per mL... 30mL is potentially lethal... 100 µg is 0.1 mL... that's essentially nothing. I probably inhaled more than that in pre-vet school dealing with preserved specimens in a day.

Vaccines save lives every day... seriously, research how they work and why. I mean, I had the chicken pox vaccine when I was a kid and got chicken pox a few weeks later... but my immune system is shitty. I've had flu shots yearly for at least 5 years and haven't gotten the flu since. If they're shooting up vulnerable kids and old people, there's a good chance it's not very harmful to the average healthy person...[/FONT]

^ good chart.

jtprin said:

Great rebuttal. Go jerk off to some polar bears and stop wasting my time with your delusional responses that do nothing to counter my argument.

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HIS FUCKING DELUSIONAL ARGUMENTS! Wasting your time! Oh dear jesus..... this is soooo fucking funny. So now tell me about how Brawndo does your crops good? We are bobsledding toward the fucking mean here! I'd laugh except it's so fucking pitiful these cretins who think they have the ability to actually understand advanced concepts and then don't even know which end of a study is up.

Public Service Message to all Conspiracy Theorists

There is a rumor that Art Bell is returning to the Air Waves -- yet again. This will not be terrestrial radio however but satellite (I'm sure there's a hot insider conspiracy for ya right there you only need to start googling)!

Discuss......

I myself remain an open minded skeptic. But what are "You People" gonna do when cannabis is legalized and they put formaldehyde and other yummy chemicals in it to "make it better for you."

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BygonEra said:

This amount of formaldehyde would, according to wikipedia and various other (actually legit) sources, not do very much to anyone. One µg equals 1 microgram per mL... 30mL is potentially lethal... 100 µg is 0.1 mL... that's essentially nothing. I probably inhaled more than that in pre-vet school dealing with preserved specimens in a day.

Vaccines save lives every day... seriously, research how they work and why. I mean, I had the chicken pox vaccine when I was a kid and got chicken pox a few weeks later... but my immune system is shitty. I've had flu shots yearly for at least 5 years and haven't gotten the flu since. If they're shooting up vulnerable kids and old people, there's a good chance it's not very harmful to the average healthy person...[/FONT]

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Flu shots do absolutely nothing. I've never received a flu shot and cant even remember if I've ever had the flu because it certainly wasn't within the past 10 years. If the government has had to give away $2 billion for damages caused by vaccines, that alone proves it's very harmful.

cannabineer said:

If you would only post links that have something to do with the argument, you'd have a bit more traction. A life on ice has taught me much about that. You have a distressing capacity to say [arrant horsepoop] is fact, and not provide any corroborating evidence. Just boom state [arrant horsepoop] is fact. I am providing the lurkers the invaluable service of interrupting the flow of equine-digestive propaganda and activating the Dude-Wait-Wut! gland. cn

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If there's something I've noticed about you, it's that you're a bluff. You like to sit here and act like you're intelligent and know what you're talking about and then when you get proven wrong you resort to childish jokes and posting pictures of polar bears. It's pathetic, really. Getting stoners to like your posts on RIU doesn't mean you won an argument...

jtprin said:

That is exactly what they're saying, how is it not?

The disclaimer must also state that this product is not intended to "diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease," because only a drug can legally make such a claim. Why would it be illegal to state that something like a vitamin C supplement could help prevent cancer?

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Because they don't want some jerk off like you selling a supplement and claiming it can prevent cancer. Yes you quoted exactly what they are saying, but you are grossly misinterpreting what it means. Also the FDA doesn't make the fucking law, go back to civics class.

jtprin said:

The FDA also claims that diet has no impact on disease prevention. "The disclaimer must also state that this product is not intended to "diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease," because only a drug can legally make such a claim" (http://www.fda.gov/Food/DietarySupplements/QADietarySupplements/#validates) They are openly telling the public that their drugs are the only way to treat, cure, or prevent disease. You honestly believe the FDA?... the one's who profit from big pharma and all their pharmaceuticals/vaccines... COME ON, MAN!

As far as formaldehyde goes, even if we assume the levels are 100% completely safe, how is it safe and healthy to inject myself with mercury, MSG, and aluminum? That $2 billion the federal government has had to give to vaccine victims speaks louder than their bullshit propaganda.

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No they didn't, they stated what they legally have to to comply with the law.

Again, no they aren't, they are complying with the law.

Yes.

It's not an assumption. We know it is safe, that is why they put it in vaccines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_Supplement_Health_And_Education_Act_of_1994

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/STATUTE-108/pdf/STATUTE-108-Pg4325.pdf

DSHEA defines the term "dietary supplement" to mean a product (other than tobacco) intended to supplement the diet that bears or contains one or more of the following dietary ingredients: a vitamin, a mineral, an herb or other botanical, an amino acid, a dietary substance for use by man to supplement the diet by increasing the total dietary intake, or a concentrate, metabolite, constituent, extract, or combination of any of the aforementioned ingredients.[SUP][2][/SUP] Furthermore, a dietary supplement must be labeled as a dietary supplement and be intended for ingestion and must not be represented for use as conventional food or as a sole item of a meal or of the diet.[SUP][2][/SUP] In addition, a dietary supplement cannot be approved or authorized for investigation as a new drug, antibiotic, or biologic, unless it was marketed as a food or a dietary supplement before such approval or authorization.[SUP][2][/SUP] Under DSHEA, dietary supplements are deemed to be food, except for purposes of the drug definition.[SUP][2][/SUP]

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From the FDA website:

[h=3]FDA approves new drugs and biologics.[/h] New drugs and biologics must be proven safe and effective to FDA's satisfaction before companies can market them. FDA does not develop or test products; FDA experts review the results of laboratory, animal, and human clinical testing done by manufacturers.
If FDA grants an approval, it means the agency has determined that the benefits of the product outweigh the risks for the intended use.

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[h=3]FDA does not approve dietary supplements.[/h] Unlike new drugs, dietary supplements are not reviewed and approved by FDA based on their safety and effectiveness. Most dietary supplements that contain a new dietary ingredient (a dietary ingredient not marketed in the United States before October 15, 1994) require a notification to FDA 75 days before marketing.
The notification must include the information that was the manufacturer or distributor's basis for concluding that the dietary supplement will reasonably be expected to be safe. After dietary supplements are on the market, FDA evaluates their safety through research and adverse event monitoring.

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So there you go, it's not some crazy conspiracy and it's not because the FDA want to be assholes and hate supplements. Unless of course I can't trust any information that comes from the gubment or the fda, which brings me to my next point...

Why is the FDA a credible source for evidence when you think it supports your point, but it's not credible when it supports the real point? You have repeatedly used the FDA as a source of information, as does many of the articles you keep posting. The minute I post anything from the FDA or that used the FDA as it's original source you immediately start chanting about "big pharma" and say they can't be trusted.

I feel like no amount of evidence is going to convince you. No matter how many sources get debunked, no matter how many times a flaw in logic gets pointed out, and no matter how many times you are shown that evidence you think is supporting your point is really just a smaller part of a complete picture that really supports the opposite of your point, you still won't change your mind. You say that you are logical and concerned only with the evidence, but you demonstrate otherwise with every post you make.

I will still address your specific questions about mercury, MSG, and aluminum at a later time. I will need to check it out and compile my sources.

jtprin said:

If there's something I've noticed about you, it's that you're a bluff. You like to sit here and act like you're intelligent and know what you're talking about and then when you get proven wrong you resort to childish jokes and posting pictures of polar bears. It's pathetic, really. Getting stoners to like your posts on RIU doesn't mean you won an argument...

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When I get proven wrong? Produce one instance relevant to topic. Go ahead. In the meantime, I will go Zamboni Alaska. cn

jtprin said:

Flu shots do absolutely nothing. I've never received a flu shot and cant even remember if I've ever had the flu because it certainly wasn't within the past 10 years. If the government has had to give away $2 billion for damages caused by vaccines, that alone proves it's very harmful.

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So you haven't had a flu shot, and you haven't had the flu in 10+ years. Therefore flu shots do absolutely nothing. That is specious reasoning.
Although I have never used my airbag, I also have never died. Does that mean air bags do nothing?

And how does $2 billion for damages prove it is harmful? I don't think you understand the volume of vaccinations we are talking about. There are a lot of people, and a lot of different vaccines. $2 billion is paltry compared to the amount of money vaccines have saved due to healthier populations.

Let me go grab my waders and tin foil hate before you post your rebuttal about disease sky rocketing since the implementation the vaccine.

jtprin: Wild claim.
'beer: Proof?
jtprin: unrelatedstuff.com
'beer: That is not proof of your specific claim, try again.

jtprin said:

If there's something I've noticed about you, it's that you're a bluff. You like to sit here and act like you're intelligent and know what you're talking about and then when you get proven wrong you resort to childish jokes and posting pictures of polar bears. It's pathetic, really. Getting stoners to like your posts on RIU doesn't mean you won an argument...

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Switch topics and repeat.

[video=youtube;mezlcGGA4BY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mezlcGGA4BY[/video]
pretty crazy..

curious2garden said:

Public Service Message to all Conspiracy Theorists

There is a rumor that Art Bell is returning to the Air Waves -- yet again.

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live from Mel's hole.....

jtprin said:

How the hell would you know how much formaldehyde is put into the vaccines? Because the people administering and profiting off them told you so? Besides, ingesting isn't the same thing as injecting. Again, just because you're close-minded and automatically reject anything from naturalnews doesn't disprove the factual information they publish. They're not perfect and have made mistakes in the past, but who hasn't?

And I'll ask this question again, what do you have to say about the mercury, MSG, and aluminum? And where is the evidence that vaccines have eradicated ANY diseases? Take polio for example... http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html. Vaccines did not save us or extend our lifespan... cleaner water, better hygiene, easier access to food, technological advancements, better living conditions, etc. are why we live longer. Of course the pharmaceutical industry is going to claim they're safe and recommend everyone get them... they make HUGE PROFITS off vaccines.

http://genesgreenbook.com/content/proof-vaccines-didnt-save-us
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/6/5/00-0512_article.htm

Why do people who have been vaccinated still get diseases?

Edit: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/7400043/Whooping-cough-vaccine-ineffective-study

Why has over $2 billion been awarded to vaccine victims by the federal government?

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The deeper I delve into your posts the more bullshit I find. genesgreenbook....seriously? On the side panel there are links to other articles on the site including:

9/11 truth
acupuncture
autism
creationism
evolution

At first I thought maybe these would be articles that debunk bullshit, but a quick investigation proved they are not. One of the articles denies macro evolution. Another one still claims that vaccines cause autism. I bullshit you not this is an actual quote from that site:

http://genesgreenbook.com/content/why-you-cant-believe-cdc

Mercury is a known neurotoxin, and is the main culprit in the staggering rise of autism cases -- up tenfold in the past 2 decades.

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I mean really? I'm not going to even bother checking the sources for this site. genesgreenbook.com just got black listed along with naturalnews.com, prisonplanet.com, and infowars.com

Absolute garbage. Do you even check into the horse shit you post here? You do realize that anyone can put anything they want on the internet? Putting the words "proof" and "evidence" on the page does not make them proof or evidence.

The second site also claims vaccines cause autism. You do realize that this is no longer up for debate? The results are in and they all point to vaccines NOT causing autism.

The third link is from the CDC (is that a credible source for you? I guess it depends on if it supports your point or not). Congrats, you have finally found some evidence. This suggests the immunization for whopping cough may not be sufficient and that immunity wanes after 5-10 years. So this particular vaccine worked to start with, but the effects are not as long lasting as they should.