Why are dj short genetics so expensive?

Nightmarecreature

Nightmarecreature

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People fail to mention that you are paying for the GENETICS! Not necessarily the beans themselves. That is why you pay more for some strains.

I will also mention that since this is a black market, you must pay taxes on any money you put in the bank over 10k that don't account for your payroll from other income. Pop 50k into a bank account and the IRS will be looking at you. Pay your taxes on this money and they won't look at you. I won't mention how to make it look legal. I know someone who bought a house cash with weed money, guess what? They couldn't prove where the money came from and now it's gone. What's this have to do with seeds? Some breeders pay taxes on the money they make.
 
Rare D MI

Rare D MI

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colonuggs said:
$10 a pack of 10 .....Yes I did...:)

So how many beans does DJ get atleast 1-2 thousand per plant @ $5 per bean

even at that rate $5-10k per plant....im lucky to get a 2-4 oz bud per plant mabey $500-1000

Shit chargin $1 a bean you can still get $1000-2000 per plant.....how much profit do they need to make??
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Each one of his plants on the low end are providing genetics for hundreds of growers with the seeds that produce herb for tens of thousands of people. You don't have his plants to make the crosses that people want. I don't know why you feel growers should make more than the people providing genetics to thousands of people.

If you're lucky to get 2-4 oz a plant, maybe you need to learn how to grow better...how many people does your 1/4 lb plant take care of? 1-2? DJ's 1/4 lb plant seeded out will have fruits of it's harvest literally reach thousands of people. Of course he deserves to make more money.
 
moldybologna

moldybologna

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Nightmarecreature said:
People fail to mention that you are paying for the GENETICS! Not necessarily the beans themselves. That is why you pay more for some strains.

I will also mention that since this is a black market, you must pay taxes on any money you put in the bank over 10k that don't account for your payroll from other income. Pop 50k into a bank account and the IRS will be looking at you. Pay your taxes on this money and they won't look at you. I won't mention how to make it look legal. I know someone who bought a house cash with weed money, guess what? They couldn't prove where the money came from and now it's gone. What's this have to do with seeds? Some breeders pay taxes on the money they make.
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Spot on Nightmare, as an accountant you even tell the bank robber to pay the tax on his haul.
 
hotrodharley

hotrodharley

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Bonequicha said:
a plant grown to full maturity between 3 and 5 feet tall respectfully,

thanks to everyone who had a positive answer, this post was merely to point out that vegetable seeds pack of 20 costs like 4 dollars and pack of mmj seeds costs like 100 see what im sayin?

kinda seems like a monopoly, it's not that hard to put a production room into full scale seed and thats many seeds

i just see an even bigger opportunity for them to supply in numbers rather than being greedy and who cares if the profit margin suffers its not really about that anyways, o well when will they ever learn?
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A friend of 50 years informs me that in my future home state of CO (being transferred, not flipping over legal) that top shelf weed is going for $200 an ounce. He's lived there many years while I moved away so he would know. Let it become legal in more states. That is why they are selling high now - like one poster said "because they can".
 
moldybologna

moldybologna

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Bonequicha said:
a plant grown to full maturity between 3 and 5 feet tall respectfully,

thanks to everyone who had a positive answer, this post was merely to point out that vegetable seeds pack of 20 costs like 4 dollars and pack of mmj seeds costs like 100 see what im sayin?

kinda seems like a monopoly, it's not that hard to put a production room into full scale seed and thats many seeds

i just see an even bigger opportunity for them to supply in numbers rather than being greedy and who cares if the profit margin suffers its not really about that anyways, o well when will they ever learn?
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Ya that's the opposite of a monopoly. There is no barrier of entry, anyone can grow, seed and sell them.
 
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growone

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wow! this topic generated a lot of interest
i'm sure the OP understands why the prices are high, because seed banks are getting their asking price, if peeps will pay, they will continue with those prices
and if not mentioned, this is not what the breeder gets, it's what the bank gets
obscene prices? for sure, but not from me or anyone else that wants to research their purchase carefully
there are plenty of great genetics at 2-3 $ a seed, but if you have to have the trendiest seed, be prepared to pay the trendy price
 
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growone

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moldybologna - i've only used a few, though Nirvana is actually a bunch of breeders, but i got gear from Nirvana that matched their descriptions
also have used highgrade seeds, also good descriptions
i don't look for the most potent, just shopping for stuff that tame my anxiety
it can be a lot of work to track down every report/review on a breeder, but if you do, you will have a much better chance of getting what you're looking for
 
tekdc911

tekdc911

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well if somone besides dj short had the same genetics they would prolly charge about the same and call it somthin else .... ohh ya they already do that ... thought i had a million dollar idea. it takes a long time to breed out and stabilize. most respectable breeders dont just pop out seeds and sell them, i did say most. dj short is a well tested well respected breeder and has plenty of right to charge what he does
i guess im
 
Figong

Figong

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Bonequicha said:
I mean all of that money can't funnel into research in development because he hasnt put out a new strain in years, seems a little greedy to me even if you cut his prices in half, im not quarreling that his strains arent any good, i look to them specifically to find variegated genotypes but to me thats all their worth

anyone know what these breeders do with all the cash? im kinda tired of people who care more about making money than the joy they get out of creating something useful for generations to come

i think that some breeders dont understand what it means to give back to the community, or that they are preying on growers who they know have alot of cash.

how many seeds does one full size plant produce anyways?
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Hand-picking phenos, crossing them, getting everything as stable as you can.. then having it not to your liking is a common issue with genetics. There are a few who absolutely love genetics that are in the seed game, yet.. they do not want to release an inferior product. You have to understand that you don't just smash random strains together once or twice, and claim to have a new strain. Tons of time and planning go into such things - if the taste is off, internode spacing, or something else is off... the one doing the genetics may completely scrap the project and start all over. That is what separates the quality seeds from the bang-up/hole in the wall operations - an almost, or guaranteed grow just about every time assuming proper conditions are met.

My .02
 
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Bonequicha

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lets just put it this way, a shitty breeder will take 2x as long as an experienced horticulturist because they dont know how to look for sister traits in the genotype they are selecting for therefore prolonging the selection process, just because dj has been working his line for forever doesnt mean it's any good or worth the money hes charging for it
 
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Bonequicha

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it's not my fault you dont know how to grow an auto, maybe if you learned to properly grow an autoflower you'd learn a thing or two about nutrient timing.
perhaps youd be an even better photo grower from the experience
 
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althor

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Bonequicha said:
lets just put it this way, a shitty breeder will take 2x as long as an experienced horticulturist because they dont know how to look for sister traits in the genotype they are selecting for therefore prolonging the selection process, just because dj has been working his line for forever doesnt mean it's any good or worth the money hes charging for it
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Cough....

If you are willing to say a proper breeding job can be done quickly, I am willing to say you know much less than you think you know.
 
colonuggs

colonuggs

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Rare D MI said:
Each one of his plants on the low end are providing genetics for hundreds of growers with the seeds that produce herb for tens of thousands of people. You don't have his plants to make the crosses that people want. I don't know why you feel growers should make more than the people providing genetics to thousands of people.

If you're lucky to get 2-4 oz a plant, maybe you need to learn how to grow better...how many people does your 1/4 lb plant take care of? 1-2? DJ's 1/4 lb plant seeded out will have fruits of it's harvest literally reach thousands of people. Of course he deserves to make more money.
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why does DJ deserve to make more money than a grower???

just cause hes been in the game since the 70s that means he has made profit for years...prices should come down

People Hype up strains of breeders.... thats why they makin $5-10 a seed.

If you have 2 plants... 1 grows bud gives you a 1/2 LB @$1500... 1 grows beans gives you 2000 beans @$5=$10,000

$1 a bean is plenty of profit $2000 on that plant still more than the grower...

why should he make 10 times the amount of a grower?? After decades of breeding and profiting

In the last few years marijuana prices have dropped.... why shouldnt the price of seeds??
 
moldybologna

moldybologna

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colonuggs said:
why does DJ deserve to make more money than a grower???

just cause hes been in the game since the 70s that means he has made profit for years...prices should come down

People Hype up strains of breeders.... thats why they makin $5-10 a seed.

If you have 2 plants... 1 grows bud gives you a 1/2 LB @$1500... 1 grows beans gives you 2000 beans @$5=$10,000

$1 a bean is plenty of profit $2000 on that plant still more than the grower...

why should he make 10 times the amount of a grower?? After decades of breeding and profiting

In the last few years marijuana prices have dropped.... why shouldnt the price of seeds??
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Why shouldn't that 1/2 lb be $500? Why not $5000? Why should a grower make such a profit?
 
Figong

Figong

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Seems to me that people are wanting decent or extremely high quality genetics for pennies on the dollar, given that the almost guaranteed genetics/pheno are in effect.. a gift. No one has to spend the time stabilizing strains at all, but they do. That said, buy the seeds, find them cheaper elsewhere, or do it yourself - end of story.
 
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