Why are republicans against legalization of marijuana?

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angelsbandit

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"if my wife was simply not ready to mother a child (let's say it threatened her career goals) and i lived in the society of the gospel of parker, would the almighty parker allow for an abortion to proceed? "

I can make my opinion crystal clear:

There is something wrong with thinking ending a life for convienience is OK.

With all the contraceptives, and information available today anyone who is stupid enough to unintentionally get pregnent is probably not the kind of person who should be breeding anyway.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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angelsbandit said:
"if my wife was simply not ready to mother a child (let's say it threatened her career goals) and i lived in the society of the gospel of parker, would the almighty parker allow for an abortion to proceed? "

I can make my opinion crystal clear:

There is something wrong with thinking ending a life for convienience is OK.

With all the contraceptives, and information available today anyone who is stupid enough to unintentionally get pregnent is probably not the kind of person who should be breeding anyway.
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no birth control besides abstinence is 100% effective, and calling something that is more or less a parasite and unable to live outside its mother's womb 'life' is debatable.

but THANK YOU!!!! for being clear.

that is something parker is unable to do without 100% contradicting himself.

i should point out to parker that his statement 'if it threatens the life of the mother' is still 100% ambiguous and unclear.

suppose a doctor spotted complications with the pregnancy and diagnosed that giving birth would result in the death of the mother about 9 times out of 10. is it acceptable to abort to protect the life of the mother at that point?

now suppose the same scenario, but it would only result in the death of the mother 5 times out of 10. now is it acceptable to abort to protect the life of the mother?

now suppose the same scenario, but it would only result in the death of the mother 1 times out of 10, or even as little as 1 in 100, or even 1 in 1000. at what point is it not acceptable to abort to protect the life of the mother?

any pregnancy can result in death to the mother, sometimes with no forewarning.
 
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Parker

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UncleBuck said:
no birth control besides abstinence is 100% effective, and calling something that is more or less a parasite and unable to live outside its mother's womb 'life' is debatable.

but THANK YOU!!!! for being clear.

that is something parker is unable to do without 100% contradicting himself.

i should point out to parker that his statement 'if it threatens the life of the mother' is still 100% ambiguous and unclear.

suppose a doctor spotted complications with the pregnancy and diagnosed that giving birth would result in the death of the mother about 9 times out of 10. is it acceptable to abort to protect the life of the mother at that point?

now suppose the same scenario, but it would only result in the death of the mother 5 times out of 10. now is it acceptable to abort to protect the life of the mother?

now suppose the same scenario, but it would only result in the death of the mother 1 times out of 10, or even as little as 1 in 100, or even 1 in 1000. at what point is it not acceptable to abort to protect the life of the mother?

any pregnancy can result in death to the mother, sometimes with no forewarning.
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do you mind moving the abortion stuff over to the "well played sirs and maams" thread it's getting confusing and the topics are getting jumbled. I'll answer you there.
thx
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Parker said:
do you mind moving the abortion stuff over to the "well played sirs and maams" thread it's getting confusing and the topics are getting jumbled. I'll answer you there.
thx
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i'd prefer to just let you contradict yourself here, thank you very much.
 
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angelsbandit

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As I said above -

"There is something wrong with thinking ending a life for convienience is OK."

If you are actively, intelligently trying to avoid pregnancy - you will avoid it, as far as medical problems I have no problem with it.
The problem I have is with those such as you who find it more convienient to end a life than to act in a responsible adult manner.

Now using your reasoning - should we also kill all those in a coma? Quadrapelagics? How about parapalagics? Those mentally retarded?
All of these are basically parasites who can't live without another. For that matter how about those on welfare? SSI? Same thing holds true.
 
BudMcLovin

BudMcLovin

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If you want to be a baby killer that’s fine according to the law it’s your right. If you do it for something as selfish as career goals you don’t deserve to have another child. A woman or a man agrees to murder an unborn child for career goals should be required by law to be fixed like the dog they are.

You scream about the woman’s right to her body but what about the child’s right to their body? You can call it a parasite that can’t live without the mother but that doesn’t change the fact it’s still a child.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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angelsbandit said:
If you are actively, intelligently trying to avoid pregnancy - you will avoid it
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not with 100% certainty.

angelsbandit said:
Now using your reasoning - should we also kill all those in a coma? Quadrapelagics? How about parapalagics? Those mentally retarded?
All of these are basically parasites who can't live without another. For that matter how about those on welfare? SSI? Same thing holds true.
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big difference between 'basically a parasite' and 'actually a parasite'. requiring assistance is not the same as requiring an umbilical cord. but much thanks for trying to blur the line and make me look like hitler!
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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BudMcLovin said:
If you want to be a baby killer that’s fine according to the law it’s your right. If you do it for something as selfish as career goals you don’t deserve to have another child. A woman or a man agrees to murder an unborn child for career goals should be required by law to be fixed like the dog they are.

You scream about the woman’s right to her body but what about the child’s right to their body? You can call it a parasite that can’t live without the mother but that doesn’t change the fact it’s still a child.
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murder? baby killer? fixed like a dog?

this is why no abortion debate can ever end well. people use dishonest terminology and demonize the other side.

at this point, i would post a picture of an actual child and an actual parasitic fetus for visual illustration of the two, but that never ends well either. people on your side end up posting pictures of butchered fetuses, topics are locked, people get banned.

i never really wanted an abortion debate here, i just wanted to point out parker's hypocrisy.

thanks for seizing the opportunity to call me a murdering baby killer who should be fixed like a dog.
 
doc111

doc111

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UncleBuck said:
not with 100% certainty.



big difference between 'basically a parasite' and 'actually a parasite'. requiring assistance is not the same as requiring an umbilical cord. but much thanks for trying to blur the line and make me look like hitler!
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I usually don't weigh in on this particular issue but here goes. I am personally against abortion. Certainly not in all situations but in principle, I oppose it. That said, I don't think it should be outlawed. The debate over when life begins has yet to be answered and I believe until it is the debate is moot. What I take issue with is that you call a fetus a parasite. Technically speaking, a baby is still a parasite until it is about a year old and weened from its mother. So using that logic, we could rationalize baby killing long after its been born.:sad:
 
VWFringe

VWFringe

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ooh, ooh, i know the anser to this one!!!!

it's because they believe this will happen...


[video=youtube;-slZNNxk9a4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-slZNNxk9a4[/video]

and too many of their buddies would lose their jobs, from LEA to alcohol mfg, and employers, who've been bullied for years into believing pot smokers belong in jail, would balk. to may people's kids college funds depend on the war on drugs, as the drug takers are all pursued legally and caught and processed into private prisons, the war party get's bigger and bigger, until maybe someday we run out of money and give it up for the same reason's Mexico will, to stop the bloodshed....i always end up ranting
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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BudMcLovin said:
Hey you know what they say, if the shoe fits.
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whatever you say. but now you don't get to say you are for personal freedom and liberty.

on the flip side, you do get to say that you are for the government legislating morality. congrats! or as we say, mazel tov :)
 
BudMcLovin

BudMcLovin

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Really, I believe in the personal freedom and liberty of the child. I know a bitch that has had 5 abortions that I know about. You think that stupid bitch doesn’t know how she got that way? What she trip and fall on dick 5 times? She is an irresponsible slut that uses murder as her birth control.


You want my honest opinion on abortion. I think its murder but I understand some people see it differently. I think a woman should be allowed one for any reason. After her 1 her name and social goes in a data base paid for by the people getting abortions. (Never under any circumstances should tax dollars be spent on abortions.) After that she should only be able to get one in the case of rape, incest, or her life is in danger.True danger not the old every woman could potentially die from her pregnancy. I could die today in a car accident does that mean I shouldn’t drive.


If you can’t learn how to not get pregnant after the first time well it’s your own fault. Hell I made it to 33 before have a child with my wife by choice. Before I got married I got all kinds of pussy but I always used protection. Oh and always pulled out. Well there may have been a couple of drunken nights I didn’t but no harm no foul.
Always carry a condom and if she’s not on the pill dump her ass.

For the record the government already regulates murder abortion is just another form.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Gary Johnson, former governor of New Mexico is running for President. He is a Republican (shhh Libertarian leanings) .

He is a kickass budget balancer, has admitted smoking pot and wants to legalize it. He moderated a "debate" I attended last summer on legalizing pot and seems to be genuine. Some of you may want to research him if you intend to vote in the next Presidential election.

Carry on.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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BudMcLovin said:
You want my honest opinion on abortion... I think a woman should be allowed one for any reason. After her 1 her name and social goes in a data base ...
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i guess in your magical world, birth control can only ever fail once. :roll:

after that, we must put their name into a database.

so much for personal freedom and liberty.

or logic.
 
doc111

doc111

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UncleBuck said:
i guess in your magical world, birth control can only ever fail once. :roll:

after that, we must put their name into a database.

so much for personal freedom and liberty.

or logic.
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That is so lame Buck. We all know that properly used birth control offers 99% + effectiveness against those pesky unwanted pregnancies. Yes it can fail and it can definitely fail more than once but I bet those cases are few and far between. The vast majority of women who have had multiple abortions either aren't using any birth control, aren't using it properly or they simply can't be bothered with it for whatever reason therefore they use the abortion clinic as their personal morning after pill. I am personally against abortion because I believe life begins at conception. That said I don't think it should be illegal because it would cause more problems than it would solve (much like cannabis prohibition). It is a symtpom of a sick society that looks at unborn children as "parasites".:evil:
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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doc111 said:
That is so lame Buck. We all know that properly used birth control offers 99% + effectiveness against those pesky unwanted pregnancies. Yes it can fail and it can definitely fail more than once but I bet those cases are few and far between. The vast majority of women who have had multiple abortions either aren't using any birth control, aren't using it properly or they simply can't be bothered with it for whatever reason therefore they use the abortion clinic as their personal morning after pill. I am personally against abortion because I believe life begins at conception. That said I don't think it should be illegal because it would cause more problems than it would solve (much like cannabis prohibition). It is a symptom of a sick society that looks at unborn children as "parasites".:evil:
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i use 'parasite' in the most loving was possible :)

the fact that you are logical enough to realize that birth control can fail more than once tells me you agree with me on the absurdity of mclovin's views. and that is all i was aiming to shoot down.
 
doc111

doc111

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UncleBuck said:
i use 'parasite' in the most loving was possible :)

the fact that you are logical enough to realize that birth control can fail more than once tells me you agree with me on the absurdity of mclovin's views. and that is all i was aiming to shoot down.
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Bahahahahahaha!!!!! I love you Buck! You fucking crack me up dude!:hug:


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to UncleBuck again.
 
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Parker

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doc111 said:
That is so lame Buck. We all know that properly used birth control offers 99% + effectiveness against those pesky unwanted pregnancies. Yes it can fail and it can definitely fail more than once but I bet those cases are few and far between. The vast majority of women who have had multiple abortions either aren't using any birth control, aren't using it properly or they simply can't be bothered with it for whatever reason therefore they use the abortion clinic as their personal morning after pill. I am personally against abortion because I believe life begins at conception. That said I don't think it should be illegal because it would cause more problems than it would solve (much like cannabis prohibition). It is a symtpom of a sick society that looks at unborn children as "parasites".:evil:
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Agreed it is a symptom of our society. To confront something properly look to treat the cause. As with anything education is the key.

I agree with you that in society nowadays you probably wont get even 1 state to outlaw abortion. Can you imagine the news showing a "Swat Team" busting into an illegal abortion clinic? People will simply move into a state to have the abortion. Someday, not anytime remotely soon, the majority of unwanted pregnancies will be close to nil and this issue will hopefully be a non issue.
 
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