WHY do CFL's suck?

his "treads" don't got no footing.... err.... no pics (ala RESULTS) to back up his theories & animations & charts & general posts

he is hiding behind is supposed accumen. thats all... we are just asking him to reveal himself.

i just want to see what this CFL diehard does with his bulbs that makes him feel like the authority on cfls.
 
MrNotorious said:
Let's start with this, since I don't have adequate space or material to show you why your not getting the results you want, how about you show us ANY CFL grow you have done so we can crack at everything you have done wrong??
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I have done CFL grows and I've seen CFL grows. I admittedly will never f*ck with them again just for the sake of arguing with people on the internet. In that one respect I lose points. I should, but I just can't bring myself to waste my time and space when I could be using superior lights and getting better yeilds.

I care more about my bud than this thread, guess you win.

I actually don't care about TTO's other threads or any other "information" he has explaining anything, if you don't grow MJ and you don't have some evidence such as "hey, look 4.5 oz's in 8 weeks w/ 250w of CFL's" I don't want to hear your shit anymore. Just stay away so that we can discuss what maybe is wrong with CFL's and how they can be used more efficiently or redesigned to work.

Laserdisc was dope, until DVD's stomped them. CFL's are the Laserdisc's of grow lights.

The basic premise for something better.
 
I have a few threads on here from when I first started growing. BLAST ME I SUCKED.
And I used HPS, and I sucked horrible.


laugh away.
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/18269-growin-6-mommas-homebox.html
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/12160-master-kush.html
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/17113-mothers-coming.html
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/18270-4-pairs-sisters.html
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/18670-when-do-i-fim-top.html
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/13761-mother-plant-set-up.html
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/11227-my-grow-roms-done.html
https://www.rollitup.org/hydroponics-aeroponics/10220-how-often-should-i-flodd.html

now look at what some tutoring from a good friend in Mendo does when its applied as taught:
https://www.rollitup.org/introduce-yourself/172578-greyskulls-big-aloha.html

nothing to hide....
 
So I'll just throw this out there. HID are's better because they produce light more efficiently. You have a very intense light source in one spot. With CFLs or any other type of light if you put them right next to each other it won't make the light brighter. try this little exercise for you semi scientific people. Get a box and line it with mylar. Put one CFL in it. Look at it. Now put more CFL's in there. If the light added and got brighter eventually you wouldn't be able to look into it because it would be to bright just like an HID. This won't happen of course.

Also for all those supposed examples you give as proff that light adds they have nothing to do with what happens when you place bulbs of the same intensity next to each other. When you use a reflector or magnifying glass you are focussing the light. It takes all the light that would normally cover a larger area and focuses it into a smaller area which is in essence creating a new more intense source. You could make cfls just as intense as an hid by using a magnifying glass to focus the light but then you would cover a much smaller area with the light.

If you have multiple cfls the best thing to do is put them in different places so that where the light from one begins to fade there is the light from another. Basically you can spread the light around but as far as actually increasing the intensity more bulbs just won't do it.

I'll use my t5 reflector as an example. There are four bulbs packed together but completely seperated from one another by the reflector. The reflector is focussing the light of the bulb which would normally be spread all around the room almost straight down into a small area. There aren't four bulbs because having more bulbs increases the light. There are four bulbs because that allows you to cover a larger area.

Greyskull said:
i would say more like 8tracks not laserdics....

edit: best sense you have ever typed.
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mj320002 said:
So I'll just throw this out there. HID are's better because they produce light more efficiently. You have a very intense light source in one spot. With CFLs or any other type of light if you put them right next to each other it won't make the light brighter. try this little exercise for you semi scientific people. Get a box and line it with mylar. Put one CFL in it. Look at it. Now put more CFL's in there. If the light added and got brighter eventually you wouldn't be able to look into it because it would be to bright just like an HID. This won't happen of course.

Also for all those supposed examples you give as proff that light adds they have nothing to do with what happens when you place bulbs of the same intensity next to each other. When you use a reflector or magnifying glass you are focussing the light. It takes all the light that would normally cover a larger area and focuses it into a smaller area which is in essence creating a new more intense source. You could make cfls just as intense as an hid by using a magnifying glass to focus the light but then you would cover a much smaller area with the light.

If you have multiple cfls the best thing to do is put them in different places so that where the light from one begins to fade there is the light from another. Basically you can spread the light around but as far as actually increasing the intensity more bulbs just won't do it.

I'll use my t5 reflector as an example. There are four bulbs packed together but completely seperated from one another by the reflector. The reflector is focussing the light of the bulb which would normally be spread all around the room almost straight down into a small area. There aren't four bulbs because having more bulbs increases the light. There are four bulbs because that allows you to cover a larger area.
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Thank you for explaining it this way. It's what I've been trying to get at all day. I know light is in some way or to some degree additive, but I agree you could fill a box any size with as many CFL's as you want and you won't need to squint.
 
This is like comparing apples and oranges. They are both fruit but they taste different. HID lights and CFLs both produce photons, however they taste different too. There are pros and cons for both types of bulb. I would not recommend using HID lights for a beginner grow, or in a situation where high temperatures are problematic. HIDs when used properly and in the right setup are going to produce better results. One also has to look at the fact that the HID grower will not be making the same mistakes that the novice CLF grower would. Give a newbie a 1000W setup and let him figure out all the other tasks (waterings, nutes, prunning, etc etc etc) and watch things go to shit.

CFLs are great for beginning growers. They are cheap, readily available and also do not require any electrical wiring knowledege. They run cool and give "ok" results. Plants will grow, people will get stoned, and MOST IMPORTANTLY the grower will be able to learn, make mistakes and advance his/her craft without getting too invested. When the grower has mastered the fine points of growing he can then upgrade to the big boy toys!

Would you put your 16 year old son into a new BMW M5? How about buying your wife/girlfriend/whatever a 1000 dollar mountian bike cause she wants to see the trails? You have to start somewhere, and CFLs are a good place to start because they give you a place to go.

And lastly, when you do upgrade to your sick new setup with those 2 600W HPS bulb, what are you going to do with the 13 CLFs you were running? Put them all over you house and save the planet, duh!
 
Just so we're clear on this though I don't think cfl's suck. I've never used them. I personally use t5ho's and had decent results on my first grow. I will be flowering some more plants in a little while and should be able to give some better evidence.

I'm pretty sure hid's provide more light than is necessary to the top of the plants under it. However having this extra intensity is good because it allows more light to get to the lower branches. Assuming I'm correct about the intensity at the top of a plant being more than it can actually use means it would be better if you could have more slightly lower intensity bulbs so the light could be spread around and placed closer to plants so there is less waste. CFL's on the other hand offer the opposite. I don't think they offer the full intensity that the plant can utilize even when placed right next to it. Maybe with a good reflector you could focus the light enough to get a decent intensity but then you need more lights so for a small scale it could be ok but once you get a little larger then it's obvious that HID's are the way to go because of there eficiency.

After I get my room sorted out and am growing pretty regularly I'm going to try out a coomparison between and hid and my t5's. I think I'll probably just get a 250 watt HID setup to match the wattage of one of my t5 fixtures. Then I'll take some clones and veg and flower them under each and see which one turns out better yield and qaulity wise. I think the t5's will actually do better but I'm not going to be sure until I try it. Also the reason I think this is I've seen side by side comparisons like this in a few gardening magazines and the t5's have outdone the hid's with other plants.

I think I may have gone off topic but I'm really high right now and this whole HID versus everything else argument bugs me.

laserbrn said:
Thank you for explaining it this way. It's what I've been trying to get at all day. I know light is in some way or to some degree additive, but I agree you could fill a box any size with as many CFL's as you want and you won't need to squint.
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mj320002 said:
Just so we're clear on this though I don't think cfl's suck. I've never used them. I personally use t5ho's and had decent results on my first grow. I will be flowering some more plants in a little while and should be able to give some better evidence.

I'm pretty sure hid's provide more light than is necessary to the top of the plants under it. However having this extra intensity is good because it allows more light to get to the lower branches. Assuming I'm correct about the intensity at the top of a plant being more than it can actually use means it would be better if you could have more slightly lower intensity bulbs so the light could be spread around and placed closer to plants so there is less waste. CFL's on the other hand offer the opposite. I don't think they offer the full intensity that the plant can utilize even when placed right next to it. Maybe with a good reflector you could focus the light enough to get a decent intensity but then you need more lights so for a small scale it could be ok but once you get a little larger then it's obvious that HID's are the way to go because of there eficiency.

After I get my room sorted out and am growing pretty regularly I'm going to try out a coomparison between and hid and my t5's. I think I'll probably just get a 250 watt HID setup to match the wattage of one of my t5 fixtures. Then I'll take some clones and veg and flower them under each and see which one turns out better yield and qaulity wise. I think the t5's will actually do better but I'm not going to be sure until I try it. Also the reason I think this is I've seen side by side comparisons like this in a few gardening magazines and the t5's have outdone the hid's with other plants.

I think I may have gone off topic but I'm really high right now and this whole HID versus everything else argument bugs me.
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I have decided that I no longer care why they suck. I'll just accept that they "just do" and let it be and continue using HID's and growing MJ. I will use them where it's appropriate like seedlings and baby's, but beyond that I'll use my T5's, MH and HID's.
 
CFL's really suck if you're trying to grow as much as you can to turn a profit.

Otherwise, CFL's are great if you're growing or breeding for personal use.
 
CFLs don't suck , I've been useing 1 42w 2,7ooK , 2,700 Lumes , for the main light on 1 plant and I've been pulling around 1/4 to 1/2 ounce.

I use CFLs for clones , seedlings , moms and for flowering. CFLs don't suck. If a person doesn't know how to use them right you won't get any good results.
 
FrostickZero said:
CFLs don't suck , I've been useing 1 42w 2,7ooK , 2,700 Lumes , for the main light on 1 plant and I've been pulling around 1/4 to 1/2 ounce.

I use CFLs for clones , seedlings , moms and for flowering. CFLs don't suck. If a person doesn't know how to use them right you won't get any good results.
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Yeah, a 1/4 to 1/2 oz? You wait 3 months for that to happen? I just can't see waiting 3 months to grow a weeks worth of bud for me.

But I'm done, I never wanted to discuss the validity of CFL's in the first place. I use them, I just wanted to know why they weren't efficient and it's been discussed and answered. In an unprecedented move for me, I'm going to unsubscribe my own thread.
 
laserbrn said:
Yeah, a 1/4 to 1/2 oz? You wait 3 months for that to happen? I just can't see waiting 3 months to grow a weeks worth of bud for me.

But I'm done, I never wanted to discuss the validity of CFL's in the first place. I use them, I just wanted to know why they weren't efficient and it's been discussed and answered. In an unprecedented move for me, I'm going to unsubscribe my own thread.
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3 months? lmfao no , its 5 weeks but I have more then just 1 plant flowering at a time.
 
mj320002 said:
So I'll just throw this out there. HID are's better because they produce light more efficiently. You have a very intense light source in one spot. With CFLs or any other type of light if you put them right next to each other it won't make the light brighter. try this little exercise for you semi scientific people. Get a box and line it with mylar. Put one CFL in it. Look at it. Now put more CFL's in there. If the light added and got brighter eventually you wouldn't be able to look into it because it would be to bright just like an HID. This won't happen of course.

Also for all those supposed examples you give as proff that light adds they have nothing to do with what happens when you place bulbs of the same intensity next to each other. When you use a reflector or magnifying glass you are focussing the light. It takes all the light that would normally cover a larger area and focuses it into a smaller area which is in essence creating a new more intense source. You could make cfls just as intense as an hid by using a magnifying glass to focus the light but then you would cover a much smaller area with the light.

If you have multiple cfls the best thing to do is put them in different places so that where the light from one begins to fade there is the light from another. Basically you can spread the light around but as far as actually increasing the intensity more bulbs just won't do it.

I'll use my t5 reflector as an example. There are four bulbs packed together but completely seperated from one another by the reflector. The reflector is focussing the light of the bulb which would normally be spread all around the room almost straight down into a small area. There aren't four bulbs because having more bulbs increases the light. There are four bulbs because that allows you to cover a larger area.
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:clap:

props and mad respect for breaking it down while detailing the aspects in an easily digestible format.

now i undertsand how they perform a lot more clearly.
 
dutchthreat said:
Seems like the whole thread is about measuring the size of your dicks. 200 watt LSDREM super light. pwned all your lights
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It's about measuring the size of your post count more than dicks tbh.

As for a 200w led owning all, i have yet to see any evidence that led can be suitably used to grow mj yet at all.

As of yet none of your lights beat my high pressure metal halide.
 
laserbrn said:
Just stay away so that we can discuss what maybe is wrong with CFL's and how they can be used more efficiently or redesigned to work.
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Has it not been said numerous times that its all about quantity and placement when it comes to CFL's? I believe it has...
 
easygrinder said:
It's about measuring the size of your post count more than dicks tbh.

As for a 200w led owning all, i have yet to see any evidence that led can be suitably used to grow mj yet at all.

As of yet none of your lights beat my high pressure metal halide.
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go on youtube and search "marijuana LED grow"
 
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