Why do Hispanic people have the nerve

Oh shit... "Too much heat in here for me" he thought to himself as he backed away slowly.

mindphuk said:

Fuck you, you little prick! I certainly DO know what I'm talking about, but it appears you want to double down on your ignorance. YES, taking a name from one language to another preserving letter order is the definition of transliteration. Yes, Jesus is combined transliteration + Anglicisation. Yeshua or Yehoshua (both forms of Joshua) would be proper transliteration from Hebrew, but since the bible made some pit-stops in Greek and Latin before ever getting translated to English, we are stuck with transliteration from the Greek/Latin transliterations of Yeshua.

Who's acting like a kid now? You spout off nonsense and then when challenged, you don't even attempt to defend it using citations or logic, but resort to personal attacks. That's the response we expect from children, not an adult.



Go ahead, prove me wrong. It would do more for your reputation than silly cartoon middle-fingers. I've corrected you before under both this as well as your previous incarnation here but you're obviously too blinded by your ideology to give consideration that you might be wrong. Please, let's see your intellectual prowess here and explain to me why Ya'akov, Moshe, Yitzhak converted to Jacob, Moses and Isaac don't bother you but Yeshua to Jesus somehow means that it was "made up."

"Made up" implies fictitious, while I may agree with you that the mythological Jesus is a complete work of fiction, it doesn't eliminate the fact that the name Jesus is merely a place-holder for the character Yehoshua/Yeshua that the New Testament was written about and that virtually all names that originate in Hebrew or Aramaic have been altered in English text bibles but that has absolutely nothing to do with their actual existence. Do you call Israel Yisrael? Jerusalem, Yerushalayim? Yea, that's what Hebrew speaking Christians use and and they use the name Yehoshua/Yeshua, not Jesus. Yet somehow in your food-starved brain of yours you came to the conclusion 'that there was no one named Jesus' and can't seem to understand this name-change has absolutely zero relevance to the historicity of the man people know as Jesus

For awhile, it seemed you were just a harmless twat that has some odd beliefs, now it appears to everyone that you are likely as crazy as George but only half as intelligent.

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you come off acting like a child to me: look at your post, I came back acting like one to you...for myself I apologize for that, but when people throw rocks it is hard not to throw those rocks back...now lets make this really simple, transliteration is the transfer of the sound of a word from one language to another alphabet.now since you are not a believer the rest may not even make since to you because it is biblical..it does take some belief , anyway Isa 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us....both of those scrips. talk of Immanuel and Emmanuel they are both transliterated words of which neither one.... sounds like jesus

NietzscheKeen said:

Oh shit... "Too much heat in here for me" he thought to himself as he backed away slowly.

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c'mon in and join me in a glass of riesling!

thepenofareadywriter said:

you come off acting like a child to me: look at your post, I came back acting like one to you...for myself I apologize for that, but when people throw rocks it is hard not to throw those rocks back...now lets make this really simple, transliteration is the transfer of the sound of a word from one language to another alphabet.now since you are not a believer the rest may not even make since to you because it is biblical..it does take some belief , anyway Isa 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us....both of those scrips. talk of Immanuel and Emmanuel they are both transliterated words of which neither one.... sounds like jesus

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I could be totally wrong here (tired as all hell) but doesn't immanuel mean savior or something? So they would be calling him savior?

mmk.. looked it up and it means "god with us"

Not seeing a prob with that. Please continue.

Have ya thought maybe the name was given to give praise to God. While we are on the subject why do Americans have Christian names. David, Mark, Eli, etc.... Its to give praise not imply the child is a saint. Gheesh.... What made you bring a stupid question to politics. I swear some peeps are narrow minded, naive and mentally handicapped as fuck.

^ that.

Nice avatar btw.

thepenofareadywriter said:

you come off acting like a child to me: look at your post, I came back acting like one to you...for myself I apologize for that, but when people throw rocks it is hard not to throw those rocks back...now lets make this really simple, transliteration is the transfer of the sound of a word from one language to another alphabet.now since you are not a believer the rest may not even make since to you because it is biblical..it does take some belief , anyway Isa 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us....both of those scrips. talk of Immanuel and Emmanuel they are both transliterated words of which neither one.... sounds like jesus

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No. It would have taken you all of 5 minutes to verify I was correct, but you still are continuing to claim something that is not true.
Transliteration MIGHT preserve the phonic signature of the original word but that doesn't always happen because that is not the intent.
Look at wikipedia-

From an information-theoretical point of view, systematic transliteration is a mapping from one system of writing into another, word by word, or ideally letter by letter. Most transliteration systems are one-to-one, so a reader who knows the system can reconstruct the original spelling.
Transliteration is opposed to transcription, which specifically maps the sounds of one language to the best matching script of another language. Still, most systems of transliteration map the letters of the source script to letters pronounced similarly in the goal script, for some specific pair of source and goal language. If the relations between letters and sounds are similar in both languages, a transliteration may be (almost) the same as a transcription. In practice, there are also some mixed transliteration/transcription systems that transliterate a part of the original script and transcribe the rest.

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What you describe is transcription, not transliteration.

Either way, Immanuel has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus. This is also something I have already explained to you when you used your old moniker. Isaiah 7 is a prophecy given to King Ahaz, telling him to trust god that his enemies will be destroyed, "For before the child knows to reject the bad and choose the good..." IOW, before the boy reaches age 13, the age in which he becomes a man in Israelite culture. The Hebrew word was almah, which has no exact translation in English but is most similar to 'maiden' or young woman of child-bearing age. The word for virgin in the rest of the Hebrew bible most commonly is b'thulah. If the writer of Isaiah wanted the meaning to actually mean 'virgin' there was certainly a better word to choose.
Interestingly, we can even trace where the initial mistranslation occurred, in the Septuagint, the word almah is translated to the Greek parthenos, which to the author of the Gospel of Matthew surely saw an opportunity to make Jesus even more king-like since many great kings and man-gods were the result of virgin births. Even Ceasar, who was at the time considered a god was the result of a virgin birth. Add to this Alexander the Great, Zoroaster, Marduk and Horus, to the fact that no mention of a virgin birth is mentioned in earlier gospels OR the Pauline epistles makes it very likely that this was a 'retcon' by the author of Matthew.

Not once, anywhere in the New Testament is Yashua called Immanuel. He is called by many names but not of the one this particular prophecy says he will be called? It is much easier - and sane - to recognize the prophecy for what it really was and one that had absolutely nothing to do with the coming messiah.

If the Immanuel prophecy is supposed to be about Jesus, poor King Ahaz would have to wait 700 years to get his answer. Something tells me that's not what Isaiah intended.

Yeshua derives from the Holy Name of God יהוה filled with fire ש


...it's a title.

Nevermind the children naming, what I'd like to know is how so many Latin American men are getting away with having multiple wives.

LOL, do these wives even know they have competition?.

eye exaggerate said:

Yeshua derives from the Holy Name of God יהוה filled with fire ש


...it's a title.

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Very wrong. Yeshua is a shortening of the name Yehoshua, or as we say it, Joshua. It's the same thing when we shorten the name Joshua to Josh.
The tetragrammaton, as you point out is - yod hay vav hay. Both Yeshua and Yehoshua are spelled with an Ayin. Yashua is Yod shin vav ayin ישוע and Yehoshua is yod hay vav shin ayin יהושע
You can only make the tetragrammaton plus shin work by dropping the hay and adding an ayin. Serious linguistic gymnastics are needed to pull off that stunt. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Yeshua is derived from YHVH any more than Ronald McDonald is derived from Alexander the Great.

EE, you really need to stop reading material by cultists that have clear agenda and will attempt to force a square into a round hole and instead look to scholars that actually can read and write in biblical Hebrew. The only thing you said that is remotely correct is that in Jewish mysticism, i.e the Kabbalistic Judaism, the letter shin does have some esoteric relationship to fire IIRC, although I am not certain what it is.

mindphuk said:

Very wrong. Yeshua is a shortening of the name Yehoshua, or as we say it, Joshua. It's the same thing when we shorten the name Joshua to Josh.
The tetragrammaton, as you point out is - yod hay vav hay. Both Yeshua and Yehoshua are spelled with an Ayin. Yashua is Yod shin vav ayin ישוע and Yehoshua is yod hay vav shin ayin יהושע
You can only make the tetragrammaton plus shin work by dropping the hay and adding an ayin. Serious linguistic gymnastics are needed to pull off that stunt. There is absolutely no reason to believe that Yeshua is derived from YHVH any more than Ronald McDonald is derived from Alexander the Great.

EE, you really need to stop reading material by cultists that have clear agenda and will attempt to force a square into a round hole and instead look to scholars that actually can read and write in biblical Hebrew. The only thing you said that is remotely correct is that in Jewish mysticism, i.e the Kabbalistic Judaism, the letter shin does have some esoteric relationship to fire IIRC, although I am not certain what it is.

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...thanks for your reply, M.

* to the underlined, that's a leap you just made there.

Hei is repeated in the Tetragrammaton. The Triamazikamno is "Father Son Holy Spirit", each of them is a force, not a Josh

...Iesous, Yew-Zeus, Jew-Zeus, IAO-Zeus, Je-sus - derived from aramaic "Yeshua or Yehoshua" means 'savior'. Christ - 'anointed one' is Krestos which is fire.

Both are titles of honor so far as I understand.

Sunbiz1 said:

Nevermind the children naming, what I'd like to know is how so many Latin American men are getting away with having multiple wives.

LOL, do these wives even know they have competition?.

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Meh... I don't know but my old lady wouldn't let that happen. She might go Jerry Springer on that trick.

eye exaggerate said:

...thanks for your reply, M.

* to the underlined, that's a leap you just made there.

Hei is repeated in the Tetragrammaton. The Triamazikamno is "Father Son Holy Spirit", each of them is a force, not a Josh

...Iesous, Yew-Zeus, Jew-Zeus, IAO-Zeus, Je-sus - derived from aramaic "Yeshua or Yehoshua" means 'savior'. Christ - 'anointed one' is Krestos which is fire.

Both are titles of honor so far as I understand.

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Please, if you're going to make these random claims, at least try to provide some support via links or citations. You keep making incorrect associations. Can you read and understand Hebrew? I do. Everything I have said is supportable by linguistics and scholarly papers. Everything you claim seems to be derived from who knows what? You claim I made a leap yet since you cannot provide your source for your misinformation, it is a reasonable conclusion that it comes from people with an agenda, such as the Messianic Jewish groups or other cults.

Yehoshua does not mean savior, it literally means "YHVH is salvation." You Christ is annointed, but what does that have anything to do with fire? Christos/Kristos is the Greek term for Messiah. If krestos means fire, so what? It's like saying fear and fire are related in English because they have commonalities in sound and spelling. That is bound to happen in any language, they all don't mean something. Sometimes they do because a word is derived from another, but that's not what people that make this claim are saying. They are not using etymology, they are using coincidence and speculation and forcing things to fit with their preconceptions.
Switching languages to find meaning is also ridiculous. It's as stupid as people that take a foreign word that means 'son' and then use the English homophone, 'sun' to assign meaning that the original word was related to our sun, when in fact, the word existed long before English did. These are stretches and leaps that make people's heads spin.

The fact is that Yehoshua was a common name back when he was born. It is not special, it means nothing more than the normal adoration for the one god of the Israelites, YHVH. It doesn't not mean the Jesus was any more god-like than anyone else named Joshua.

mindphuk said:

Please, if you're going to make these random claims, at least try to provide some support via links or citations. You keep making incorrect associations. Can you read and understand Hebrew? I do. Everything I have said is supportable by linguistics and scholarly papers. Everything you claim seems to be derived from who knows what? You claim I made a leap yet since you cannot provide your source for your misinformation, it is a reasonable conclusion that it comes from people with an agenda, such as the Messianic Jewish groups or other cults.

Yehoshua does not mean savior, it literally means "YHVH is salvation." You Christ is annointed, but what does that have anything to do with fire? Christos/Kristos is the Greek term for Messiah. If krestos means fire, so what? It's like saying fear and fire are related in English because they have commonalities in sound and spelling. That is bound to happen in any language, they all don't mean something. Sometimes they do because a word is derived from another, but that's not what people that make this claim are saying. They are not using etymology, they are using coincidence and speculation and forcing things to fit with their preconceptions.
Switching languages to find meaning is also ridiculous. It's as stupid as people that take a foreign word that means 'son' and then use the English homophone, 'sun' to assign meaning that the original word was related to our sun, when in fact, the word existed long before English did. These are stretches and leaps that make people's heads spin.

The fact is that Yehoshua was a common name back when he was born. It is not special, it means nothing more than the normal adoration for the one god of the Israelites, YHVH. It doesn't not mean the Jesus was any more god-like than anyone else named Joshua.

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...you always ask for links, yet I'm not sure I've ever seen one from you.

"Switching languages to find meaning is also ridiculous."

Jove/Jovis/Jupiter/Yahweh

Jovis, the Old and medieval Latin variant derived from Sanskrit Djovis, meaning "sky god or bright god of heaven (perhaps reference to the sun-god)," occurs as genitive case, MerchT 2224; CCL 232.


JOVE, JOVES, JOVIS. Jove, otherwise known as Jupiter, was the chief god of the Roman pantheon. The name Jo-ve became a poetic alternative after Jupiter gained precedence during the Roman classical period.


Jupiter, derived from Sanskrit Dyaus-pater, Ju=sky + pater=father "sky-father," occurs once initially, HF II.642; nine times in medial positions, HF I.215, 464; II.955; Tr II.233; IV.669, 1683; LGW 1806, 2585; Form Age 57; and throughout the Astrolabe. Jupiteres, the ME genitive case, occurs once, in medial position, HF I.199. Juppiter occurs in medial positions, KnT 2442, 2786, 2792, 3035, 3069, 3934, 3942; SNT 364, 413; CYT 828.



**Dievs - Vedic/Indu, Dyaus
**Dyaus - Greek/Zeus, Dios
**Deus - Latin/Jove, Jupater (Jupiter)
**Jove - Hebrew/YHVH (Yahweh)
**Iao - Greece/Ionians, "Iao-ians," "Yah-o-ians"
**Jivah - Sanskt, sky god (u=yava/java) same as Jihvah


ZEUS or JOVE JUPITER DIOS ZOOS, e-o-ve (yah-o-ve), Ju-pater, de-os, his poetic name was ZEN an in Babylon Sin id+ LIFE and LIVING HUMANITY id+ THE GREATEST GOD IN THE GREEK PANTHEON (PANTHEISM) also known as "THE THUNDERER" He holds lightening bolts in his right hand Names gr ZEUS = god of the heavens (sky) gr DIOS genitive of ZEUS sp DIOS god, stands for any god lat DEUS god, stands for any god DEI god, stands for any god skt DYAUS sky day skt JIVAH sky god (yava/java) sp DIA day ukr DEN day DIA action idea DIACH creator BOH god, lord heb JOVE god, (Amorite Yahwi) YHVH yah-o-ve, yahoveh, yahweh, yihavah, Yahouah, Yahuwah, Egypt IAH god, sky god, yah moon god


The Roman Jove is a unique god whose recognition is often clouded by religious zealots who do not want his true identity to be known. It appears his deity was grafted into the Roman culture where he became identified as the Greek IAO. Zeus is the Greek god of the earth. He is said to have created the first woman Pandora and also the god who sent a world-wide flood to destroy mortals. Jupiter is the Roman counterpart of Zeus. Jove is associated with Zeus, Jupiter, and Yahweh.


The name Jove first appears to be the name of a Jewish god whom the Israelites in their apostasy borowed from the Babylonian Ia or Ya. This god was adopted by the Jews from among the Amorites and Cannanites and commonly referred to as Yahwi but in title as Baal. The consort of Jove or Baal was Ashtoreth. Ashtoreth is the counterpart of the Greek goddess Hera and the Roman goddess Juno (for whom June is named and the origin of June brides);The son of Jove/Baal and Ashtoreth was Tammuz. In the Greek pantheon, Ashtoreth is recognized as Hera/Juno. Tammuz is recognized as Apollo.


Who then is Jove?


According to some scholars Jove is pronounced Jo-ve. Some say the letter "J" is not correct since they claim there was no letter "J" or "J" sound until the 15th century AD. The sound of the letter "J" goes back at least 4,000BC. It is the letter "J" that is modern for which the sound now stands. So they replace the letter "J" with the letter "I" to form "Iove". These same scholars then claim that the Greek "I" is the same as the Hebrew "Y" or yod and thus the name appears as "Yove" and pronounced by some as "ya-o-ve." Some Yahwist claim that the letters YHWH are each pronounced as "Y=e; H=ah; W=o H=ah to form "e-ah-o-ah."
The tetragrammaton YHVH would then be "e-ah-va-ah." With the Greek/Roman Jove we can see it would be pronounced as "J-ah-va-ah." And taking the "Jah" and converting the "J" to a "Y" we would then have "Yah" and finally "Yah-va-ah." If we convert the "v" into a "w" as is done between YHVH and YHWH the name would be "Yah-wa-ah" or "Yahwaah."


Jove is then none other than Yahwah or Yahweh. Some scholars claim that the Greek "Jo" when compared to renderings in the Septuagint (LXX) is "Yah" so that we have Jo-Yah and thus Jove is Yah-ve.

Do muslims really believe jesus was a prophet ? I have heard the radical muslims bad mouthing jesus followers or i think thats what they called them before they decapitated them in a vid. They didnt have much props for jesus lovers

Amerikaner said:

Do muslims really believe jesus was a prophet ? I have heard the radical muslims bad mouthing jesus followers or i think thats what they called them before they decapitated them in a vid. They didnt have much props for jesus lovers

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...no, it seems some don't. Maybe they could ask first if the person feels that 'Jesus' is a person, or, a person with a serious amount of liberated consciousness. Then again, sometimes it don't matta

eye exaggerate said:

...you always ask for links, yet I'm not sure I've ever seen one from you.

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I always provide links the first time I mention something. I usually don't provide links if the information can be verified by a simple google search since a lot of what I know isn't directly from a link.

"Switching languages to find meaning is also ridiculous."

Jove/Jovis/Jupiter/Yahweh.

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Here you go, give me a copy and paste yet hide the source of the material. That's dishonest. I have no way to verify who wrote this but it does not sound like legitimate scholarly work. The site that came up first is http://jesus-messiah.com/html/jove-is-yahweh.html and it does not appear to have any citations itself. Just because some words have similar sounds does not mean they are etymologically related. However, what you are about here is cultural contamination and loan words. These things happen, I have no problem with that. I am however confused about what the author is claiming. Did YHVH infect Roman culture and Romans were worshiping the same god as the Canaanites?

My issue is with things like Ra=Sun=son. Taking words that sound similar in one language does not mean they are related in the other. Christos and krestos might sound similar but do you have any evidence that they are related and we should instill meaning into it? Jesus of Nazareth wasn't called Christ except by Greek speakers and writers and any relationship that the Greek word for messiah happens to have with anything else must be purely coincidental.

mindphuk said:

I always provide links the first time I mention something. I usually don't provide links if the information can be verified by a simple google search since a lot of what I know isn't directly from a link.

Here you go, give me a copy and paste yet hide the source of the material. That's dishonest. I have no way to verify who wrote this but it does not sound like legitimate scholarly work. The site that came up first is http://jesus-messiah.com/html/jove-is-yahweh.html and it does not appear to have any citations itself. Just because some words have similar sounds does not mean they are etymologically related. However, what you are about here is cultural contamination and loan words. These things happen, I have no problem with that. I am however confused about what the author is claiming. Did YHVH infect Roman culture and Romans were worshiping the same god as the Canaanites?

My issue is with things like Ra=Sun=son. Taking words that sound similar in one language does not mean they are related in the other. Christos and krestos might sound similar but do you have any evidence that they are related and we should instill meaning into it? Jesus of Nazareth wasn't called Christ except by Greek speakers and writers and any relationship that the Greek word for messiah happens to have with anything else must be purely coincidental.

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...mind, I'm not being dishonest with you. Sometimes I can't post links for very good reasons. I don't know that I should have to say that out loud all of the time. Besides, there's usually a whole deal that is said without actually saying it. I really don't mean to be dishonest.

...about Krestos and Christos - it's not that the words sound enough alike, it's that they are variants of the same term for an energy. In this case, yes, the sun *hides*

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...mind, I'm not being dishonest with you. Sometimes I can't post links for very good reasons. I don't know that I should have to say that out loud all of the time. Besides, there's usually a whole deal that is said without actually saying it. I really don't mean to be dishonest.

...about Krestos and Christos - it's not that the words sound enough alike, it's that they are variants of the same term for an energy. In this case, yes, the sun *hides*

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Now I'm super curious! What could possibly be good reasons not to post links? Not to say there aren't legitimate reasons, I simply cannot think of any...