Why haven't African Americans assimilated into American culture...?

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Dr Kynes

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once again, you failed again. the changes didn't go into effect until 2013 (when exactly isn't stated) and those stats are from 2011. so once again, you sound good to the uninformed, but anyone that reads what you post and look at actual facts, knows that you talk a good one but don't deliver.
i know your going to try to obviate and obfuscate the obvious in your post, but shit, it will be hard to miss the contradictions in your post. nice try.

here's last years consensus 14.2%
http://blackdemographics.com/
derp derp derp

even for the 2013 reports, chicanos will be considered white. read it again dingus.

they are NOT adding a Chicano "race" they are adding a Chicano "ethnicity", but only for other reports and shit.

the crime stats report will retain the Chicano=White paradigm.

in the 2010 census, blacks were overrepresented by the sampling, and still only reached 12.6% i dont know what census you think happened last year, but your getting dumber.

in the 2000 census (the last one to do an actual count) blacks were 12.1%, but again they were believed to be overrepresented.

so therefore my number of ~ 12% is just fine.

the actual census data is unavailable right now (thanks obama) but you are WRONG AS FUCK, because there was no "2012 census" and blacks have NEVER reached higher than ~12% of the population.
 

Dr Kynes

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Refusing to understand why some black people lead the lifestyles they do in a higher percentage than other races is just ignorance.

My parents hounded the living shit out of me to get good grades. Just like their parents hounded them, and so on and so on.

Go back far enough and black people couldn't even go to school. How is the idea that education is important supposed to trickle down through the generations when it was completely inaccessible to black peoples ancestors? Ideas don't just start in full force, white people have been attending Universities and Colleges since BCE. When you take a bunch of people from their own societies, erase their culture, tell them they're to be subordinate, beat them until they comply; then magically set them free and expect them to start up at the same level of education, and ENTHUSIASM for education that white people have? Never mind the fact that even after black people were emancipated they were still treated like dirt for over 100 years....
and thats why i focussed on Rape.

how fucked up does your school have to be to turn you into a Rapist?
how poor do you have to be to get forced into Rape as your only career path?
how much oppression turns people into Rapers out of desperation?
how does slavery 150 years ago equate to Rape now?

none of that shit makes sense in the context of Rape and yet the stats dont lie.
this represents a systemic problem in the black social structure, whitey didnt make nobody into a Raper.
 

Fresh 2 De@th

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this report is JUST ABOUT ARRESTS.

lets talk about robbery then...

12% of the population, 55.6% of robbery arrests.

yeah thats not even better.

i chose Rape as the stat du jour, as it is not profit motivated, and thus not subject to the whimpering about "socio-economic status".
rape is the perfect illustration of the problem. being poor doesnt make you a rapist, being underprivileged doesnt make you a rapist, shitty schools dont make you a rapist, being a fucking rapist makes you a rapist.


when you dig into the reported crime stats, shit gets even wierder.

in nearly every category of crime, when the race of the perp is known, blacks get an even bigger statistical edge over the "white/chicano" category.
due to the govt shutdown i cannot provide these reports, so i will table that for now.
hahah, your funny. i see you took out the second link in your post (#357) that displayed the actual stats, displaying how wide the margin was in the rape category (which whites won by a landslide, i think they almost tripled the blacks).
as for an answer to your question, i can ask and say the same for the whites. shit they committed a whole lot more than the blacks, but yet you can fix your lips to even ask such a question without providing an explanation for your brethren who seems to be very fond of such offense. and since we're on this topic, lets not forgot about all the rape during slavery and post slavery that went without record due to the unjust law. do we dear dredge to even bring up all these priest and others of the church in the white community, running around touch/sexing all these little white boys and girls, that mostly get slaps on the wrist when charges are bought up against them?
 

Beefbisquit

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and thats why i focussed on Rape.

how fucked up does your school have to be to turn you into a Rapist?
how poor do you have to be to get forced into Rape as your only career path?
how much oppression turns people into Rapers out of desperation?
how does slavery 150 years ago equate to Rape now?

none of that shit makes sense in the context of Rape and yet the stats dont lie.
this represents a systemic problem in the black social structure, whitey didnt make nobody into a Raper.

Rape is hands down the most under-reported crime. Those statistics don't mean jack shit because they're not even remotely accurate.


Do you think white women are more likely to report a sexual attack from a black man, or a white man? Who do you think it would be easier to have charged with a crime? Hmmm....

These are things that need to be taken into account. You always do this, you look at the stats at face value and make absolutely zero effort to understand any causes behind anything. When you start to add everything up, you get a full picture. When you just look at individual pieces of info, you can make that info say whatever you want.
 

Dr Kynes

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hahah, your funny. i see you took out the second link in your post (#357) that displayed the actual stats, displaying how wide the margin was in the rape category (which whites won by a landslide, i think they almost tripled the blacks).
as for an answer to your question, i can ask and say the same for the whites. shit they committed a whole lot more than the blacks, but yet you can fix your lips to even ask such a question without providing an explanation for your brethren who seems to be very fond of such offense. and since we're on this topic, lets not forgot about all the rape during slavery and post slavery that went without record due to the unjust law. do we dear dredge to even bring up all these priest and others of the church in the white community, running around touch/sexing all these little white boys and girls, that mostly get slaps on the wrist when charges are bought up against them?

what second link in post #357?

youre on crack.

that post had no second link, and has clearly NOT been edited you dolt.

the rest of your inane nonsensical diatribe is incomprehensible jibberish.

it's not even fun arguing with delusional illiterate doofuses.

why dont you go shout at some clouds and cinch up your aluminium foil hat.
 

Fresh 2 De@th

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Rape is hands down the most under-reported crime. Those statistics don't mean jack shit because they're not even remotely accurate.


Do you think white women are more likely to report a sexual attack from a black man, or a white man? Who do you think it would be easier to have charged with a crime? Hmmm....

These are things that need to be taken into account. You always do this, you look at the stats at face value and make absolutely zero effort to understand any causes behind anything. When you start to add everything up, you get a full picture. When you just look at individual pieces of info, you can make that info say whatever you want.
hmm, you make a very solid point.

it seems that he tend to leave out certain key facts, shit like how bias law enforcement is against blacks.
http://politic365.com/2013/06/04/nothing-new-blacks-busted-4x-more-than-whites-for-same-drug-crimes-equal-use/
i guess you have an answer for this as well.
also, since you're into stats, when you get the chance, look up how many blacks that were convicted and released of murder and rape and were released from dna testing alone. many cases were from white people swearing in court that said victim committed the offense, but dna said otherwise and exonerated them after many years of being imprisoned.

also look at the conviction rate of all states and then research the overturn rate (you'll be surprised at how many get overturned on appeal).
 

Dr Kynes

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Rape is hands down the most under-reported crime. Those statistics don't mean jack shit because they're not even remotely accurate.


Do you think white women are more likely to report a sexual attack from a black man, or a white man? Who do you think it would be easier to have charged with a crime? Hmmm....

These are things that need to be taken into account. You always do this, you look at the stats at face value and make absolutely zero effort to understand any causes behind anything. When you start to add everything up, you get a full picture. When you just look at individual pieces of info, you can make that info say whatever you want.
so wait... because Rape is under-reported, the stats are useless?

is there some vast conspiracy among Rape Victims to skew the stats to make blacks look bad?

even if say 20% to 30% of rapes never get reported, simply assuming all those rapes were done by non-blacks will still not push the black rape numbers down to the representative 12% position.

youre arguing this to change the subject back to a category more vulnerable to the "SES" argument, and thats ridiculous.

the "socio-economic status" argument is pure emotionalism, and cannot be argued for or against. its the last ditch defense of the leftist with nothing to support his assertions but appeals to emotion.
 

Fresh 2 De@th

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what second link in post #357?

youre on crack.

that post had no second link, and has clearly NOT been edited you dolt.

the rest of your inane nonsensical diatribe is incomprehensible jibberish.

it's not even fun arguing with delusional illiterate doofuses.

why dont you go shout at some clouds and cinch up your aluminium foil hat.
no dickhead, you're on crack. all you did was removed a link within a certain time which does not show up when you go to edit your post. trust me, i, along with many others can attest to this. plenty of time i post something, go back and erase a word or link i posted (without adding any new words) and it doesn't show up as being edited.

i see the games you try to play, but like i said, anyone with common sense knows you full of shit.

also, i noticed you didn't answer the question either. i know you seen the numbers in the rape column for whites, so don't act like you have no idea of what i am talking about, you rapist.
 

Dr Kynes

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hmm, you make a very solid point.

it seems that he tend to leave out certain key facts, shit like how bias law enforcement is against blacks.
http://politic365.com/2013/06/04/nothing-new-blacks-busted-4x-more-than-whites-for-same-drug-crimes-equal-use/
i guess you have an answer for this as well.
also, since you're into stats, when you get the chance, look up how many blacks that were convicted and released of murder and rape and were released from dna testing alone. many cases were from white people swearing in court that said victim committed the offense, but dna said otherwise and exonerated them after many years of being imprisoned.

also look at the conviction rate of all states and then research the overturn rate (you'll be surprised at how many get overturned on appeal).
and for evidence you propose an Opinion Blog.

and Opinion Blog with a very definite slant, clearly stated in it's "About Us" page...

yeah. theres some bias here, but it aint comin from anybody but you.
 

Beefbisquit

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so wait... because Rape is under-reported, the stats are useless?
I wouldn't say totally useless, but they're to be taken with a a grai- er rather a cup of salt....

is there some vast conspiracy among Rape Victims to skew the stats to make blacks look bad?
Vast conspiracy? No. Women, especially when dealing with rapes, don't want their name drug through mud and to have all the stigmas attached to being a rape victim associated with them. Rape is a power thing, not a sexual thing; so who knows the exact reasoning behind it. Maybe it's a psychological mechanism to feeling helpless or substandard, I don't know; and neither do you.

even if say 20% to 30% of rapes never get reported, simply assuming all those rapes were done by non-blacks will still not push the black rape numbers down to the representative 12% position.
I'm not claiming that blacks don't commit a higher percentage of rapes, according to the stats, they do. I'm saying those stats are far from the word of god, and without understanding why these rapes are actually happening we don't stand a good chance of stopping them.

youre arguing this to change the subject back to a category more vulnerable to the "SES" argument, and thats ridiculous.

the "socio-economic status" argument is pure emotionalism, and cannot be argued for or against. its the last ditch defense of the leftist with nothing to support his assertions but appeals to emotion.
That's a bullshit co-op argument presented by right wing nuts jobs that don't want to face the actual problem in the USA. They (you) just want to continue on with their time old traditions and not be bothered by the 'dirty black people' and their 'completely self generated' problems. Do you seriously believe that the way black people are STILL treated today, and their lack of educational history as people, has nothing to do with the status the majority of black people share today?

Your grandparents affected you parents, and your parents affected you. When black peoples grandparents were drinking at a separate fountains, being called 'dirty niggers', getting lynched, and not having basic human rights, it probably affected they way they raised their kids, and so on, and so on.... The mentality of being called lesser than for centuries doesn't just 'go away' when white people decide to loosen the shackles.

Just going out on a limb here; but I'm guessing that when black people were trying not to be beat to death by white people in the 50's, sending your black son or daughter to university to break the terrible cycle of disparity (while fighting discrimination at the same time) wasn't probably high on the priority list. Even if black people did have the grades and determination, they often didn't have the means. Those values get passed down... education isn't important/attainable, white people are evil, etc. etc.

Today, it's easier for black people to go to school and white people aren't the sole contributor of 'black problems', but the ingrained thinking, and the years of discrimination and prejudice are hard to break through.
 

Fresh 2 De@th

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and for evidence you propose an Opinion Blog.

and Opinion Blog with a very definite slant, clearly stated in it's "About Us" page...

yeah. theres some bias here, but it aint comin from anybody but you.
dude, that's common knowledge. even your fellow white brethren would agree with that. shit, it's all over google.

http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/publications/rd_sentencing_review.pdf

i'll dig up more if need be. i know dr title of yours tend to clog that brain of yours (i know it's hard trying to live up to such a title that was only given to you by yourself)
 

Fresh 2 De@th

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yeah, so what link was it?

youre fucking delusional, and i couldnt dig a "question" out of your jabbering with a chainsaw.

you cannot argue that ~12% of the population committing ~32% of the frauds and embezzlements is anything but a startlingly high over-representation.

likewise blacks also scored a HIGHLY REPRESENTATIVE ~13% of drunk driving arrests. but all the OTHER categories represent bais from the cops.

they apparently have a strict rule... No Faking the DUI's !
i mean Rape is one thing, but to arrest somebody for drunk driving or loitering is Serious Business!

youre as dumb as a bag of retarded hammers.
yo stupid, i asked the same question you asked me. how hard is that to understand, dummy? you bring up rape, but don't bring up the fact that whites double or damn near tripled the numbers in the same category.
 

Dr Kynes

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no dickhead, you're on crack. all you did was removed a link within a certain time which does not show up when you go to edit your post. trust me, i, along with many others can attest to this. plenty of time i post something, go back and erase a word or link i posted (without adding any new words) and it doesn't show up as being edited.

i see the games you try to play, but like i said, anyone with common sense knows you full of shit.

also, i noticed you didn't answer the question either. i know you seen the numbers in the rape column for whites, so don't act like you have no idea of what i am talking about, you rapist.
RIIIGHT...

imma lay this out real clear do even adumbass can figure it out.

There Is No Category For Hispanics/Latinos/Chicanos In The FBI Crime Stat Report.

Those crimes are included under the heading of "Whites"

Blacks make up ~12% of the population, not 14%, Not 32.9%, ~12%

Blacks commit FAR MORE CRIMES than their representation in the general populace in nearly every category, PARTICULARLY those which are violent in nature (like Rape Robbery and Murder)

Rape is in no way associated with "Socio-Economic Status" yet it is still dominated by Blacks as a % of the population despite the inclusion of Chicanos as "White"

the Total Number of any category of crime is IRRELEVANT to the issue of the vast over-representation of Blacks in nearly every category, even when Chicanos are re-branded as "White"

You Do Not Understand How Statistics Work.

There was NO CENSUS IN 2012. only a real dimwit would claim there was.

I do rarely edit my posts save to ADD INFORMATION, and NEVER to remove information.

when i do make an edit, I CLEARLY MARK IT AS SUCH. I DO NOT redact information in the manner you assert.

Your Nonsensical Gabble is Incomprehensible, so you might want to try making shorter sentences.

Put down the glass pipe, smokeable cocaine may seem like a good idea, but it makes you delusional.
 

Dr Kynes

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yo stupid, i asked the same question you asked me. how hard is that to understand, dummy? you bring up rape, but don't bring up the fact that whites double or damn near tripled the numbers in the same category.
whites are more than 50% of the population, blacks are ~12%.

even when Chicanos are folded into the "White" category, they rack up 65% of the rapes, while Blacks score 32.9%

this should be obvious even to the most idiotic buffleheaded dimwit and the argument would be over.

attempting to ignore the fact that 12% is far less than 32.9% is retarded. this unequivocal statistic clearly indicates that blacks commit FAR MORE RAPES than their representation in the population. to deny this is willful ignorance or deliberate stupidity.

im not sure which.

im still not sure what this SUPER IMPORTANT QUESTION you keep screaming about might be.

try framing this hypothetical "question" as a sentence rather than a mindless word-salad.
 

Dr Kynes

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I wouldn't say totally useless, but they're to be taken with a a grai- er rather a cup of salt....
yes. i understand that.
however, reducing the sample by under-reporting of rapes does not necessarily result in a change in the data points. the best you can assume is that if all rapes were reported the sample would get bigger, but most likely the details would remain largely unchanged.



Vast conspiracy? No. Women, especially when dealing with rapes, don't want their name drug through mud and to have all the stigmas attached to being a rape victim associated with them. Rape is a power thing, not a sexual thing; so who knows the exact reasoning behind it. Maybe it's a psychological mechanism to feeling helpless or substandard, I don't know; and neither do you.
again this has no bearing on the subject.
"socio-economic status" is still unrelated to rape.



I'm not claiming that blacks don't commit a higher percentage of rapes, according to the stats, they do. I'm saying those stats are far from the word of god, and without understanding why these rapes are actually happening we don't stand a good chance of stopping them.
ending rape is not the subject at hand.



That's a bullshit co-op argument presented by right wing nuts jobs that don't want to face the actual problem in the USA. They (you) just want to continue on with their time old traditions and not be bothered by the 'dirty black people' and their 'completely self generated' problems. Do you seriously believe that the way black people are STILL treated today, and their lack of educational history as people, has nothing to do with the status the majority of black people share today?
no, the "socio-economic status" argument is an appeal to emotion, with no basis in reality, which is why i selected Rape as the target stat. Rape is not a function of poverty, oppression or poor eductation, and as such it eliminates the tired old "SES" canard.

Your grandparents affected you parents, and your parents affected you. When black peoples grandparents were drinking at a separate fountains, being called 'dirty niggers', getting lynched, and not having basic human rights, it probably affected they way they raised their kids, and so on, and so on.... The mentality of being called lesser than for centuries doesn't just 'go away' when white people decide to loosen the shackles.
and none of this makes men into rapists.
this is a raw appeal to emotion

Just going out on a limb here; but I'm guessing that when black people were trying not to be beat to death by white people in the 50's, sending your black son or daughter to university to break the terrible cycle of disparity (while fighting discrimination at the same time) wasn't probably high on the priority list. Even if black people did have the grades and determination, they often didn't have the means. Those values get passed down... education isn't important/attainable, white people are evil, etc. etc.
still an appeal to emotion which is irrelevant to the subject at hand, which is "why do blacks commit so many more rapes than their representation in the population could possibly account for?"

Today, it's easier for black people to go to school and white people aren't the sole contributor of 'black problems', but the ingrained thinking, and the years of discrimination and prejudice are hard to break through.
which stll doesnt answer "Why All The Rapes?"

we can assume that the source of the rapes is not genetic, that would be ridiculous, therefore it must be sociological.
asserting that "SES" is the cause of Rape Behaviour is also ridiculous.
that leaves only social norms, and a systemic problem within black society.
they have effectively segregated themselves from the rest of society, which does not have nearly the Rape Rate of the "Black Community" and thus the problem is not the "Black Race", or Whitey's Downpression" but something in their own "Black Culture" which give the message that rape is OK.

a casual perusal of any "Rap Videos will identify the cause readily.
women are considered Bitches and Hoes, treated as objects for the sexual gratification of the Black Elite (rappers) and thus, to become one of the "Black Elite" one must adopt their social norms. this inevitably results in a mindset which requires "Jocking The Bitches" and "Slapping The Hoes".

observe also the reverence with which pimps are viewed, and note further that pimps routinely brutalize their "Bitches" to keep them in line, on the corner, and "Getting That Cheddar"
when this is the ideal of masculinity and manhood, then clearly anything one wishes from a "Hoe" can be taken by force, whether it is money or pussy.
 

mr sunshine

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Black people are 95 percent of the rap community.which means your son or daughter probably relate to black people . Their is also a "big" stereotype with the black community big asses and big well u get the picture. All this adds up to your son or daughter wanting to have sex with a black person and u having a black grandson!!!
 

schuylaar

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yes. i understand that.
however, reducing the sample by under-reporting of rapes does not necessarily result in a change in the data points. the best you can assume is that if all rapes were reported the sample would get bigger, but most likely the details would remain largely unchanged.




again this has no bearing on the subject.
"socio-economic status" is still unrelated to rape.






ending rape is not the subject at hand.





no, the "socio-economic status" argument is an appeal to emotion, with no basis in reality, which is why i selected Rape as the target stat. Rape is not a function of poverty, oppression or poor eductation, and as such it eliminates the tired old "SES" canard.


and none of this makes men into rapists.
this is a raw appeal to emotion



still an appeal to emotion which is irrelevant to the subject at hand, which is "why do blacks commit so many more rapes than their representation in the population could possibly account for?"


which stll doesnt answer "Why All The Rapes?"

we can assume that the source of the rapes is not genetic, that would be ridiculous, therefore it must be sociological.
asserting that "SES" is the cause of Rape Behaviour is also ridiculous.
that leaves only social norms, and a systemic problem within black society.
they have effectively segregated themselves from the rest of society, which does not have nearly the Rape Rate of the "Black Community" and thus the problem is not the "Black Race", or Whitey's Downpression" but something in their own "Black Culture" which give the message that rape is OK.

a casual perusal of any "Rap Videos will identify the cause readily.
women are considered Bitches and Hoes, treated as objects for the sexual gratification of the Black Elite (rappers) and thus, to become one of the "Black Elite" one must adopt their social norms. this inevitably results in a mindset which requires "Jocking The Bitches" and "Slapping The Hoes".

observe also the reverence with which pimps are viewed, and note further than pimps routinely brutalize their "Bitches" to keep them in line, on the corner, and "Getting That Cheddar"
when this is the ideal of masculinity and manhood, then clearly anything one wishes from a "Hoe" can be taken by force, whether it is money or pussy.
holy shit! did i call it or what..just read page one annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd..ding! ding! ding!
 
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