Why I'm not a Republican ...

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THE SAGE FROM SOUTH CENTRAL
[FONT=Palatino,][SIZE=+2]GOP: The way forward[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Palatino,][SIZE=+1]Larry Elder urges Republicans to take constitutional restrictions seriously[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=-1]Posted: May 14, 2009
1:00 am Eastern

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[FONT=Palatino,]By Larry Elder

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"Republicans, act more like Democrats!"
Actually, former Secretary of State Colin Powell put it somewhat differently when he offered his prescription to extricate the GOP from its "deep trouble."

Powell insists that Republicans must accept that the country has changed. "Americans do want to pay taxes for services," he said. "Americans are looking for more government in their life, not less." In other words, Republicans simply need to surrender to President Obama and the Democrats' outrageous and radical push/pull for more government in, well, everything. Or, as former Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean snappily puts it, "I think we've had quite enough capitalism in the last eight years, and I think we need some regulation now."

Many, if not most, Americans do want a welfare state. Certainly, Americans rail against excessive government spending, but try asking, "OK, where would you like to cut?" Health care? Well, no. Education? No, not that. Aid to the poor? No. Social Security? Uh-uh. Disaster relief for those hard hit by floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, broken levees? No, too harsh. Unemployment benefits for those out of work during this severe recession? No, lacks compassion.

The problem is that Republicans have already been acting like Democrats – and for a long, long time. In 2000, they nominated then-Texas Gov. George W. Bush. He promised to serve as the education president and signed into law No Child Left Behind, which further injected the feds into a state matter. He promised and delivered a prescription bill for seniors, which expanded Medicare by the largest amount since the program's inception. His dad, former President George Herbert Walker Bush, signed into law the Americans with Disabilities Act, a hideous intrusion into the private sector rationalized by compassion. On the 10th anniversary of the ADA, George W. praised his dad's program.

Whatever happened to states rights, limited government and natural law? Find out in Judge Napolitano's "The Constitution in Exile"

Let's go back further. Republicans initially resisted – and quite fiercely – the New Deal programs passed during the Franklin Delano Roosevelt administration. And the Supreme Court, at least initially, declared many of Roosevelt's expansionary programs unconstitutional.

After Roosevelt's first win, in 1932, Republicans failed to recapture the White House until 1952. That year, a major GOP contender for the nomination, the "fiscally conservative" Sen. Robert Taft of Ohio, promised to undo parts of the New Deal. But even he accepted Social Security and public housing for the poor. The "moderate" GOP contender and eventual winner, Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, not only accepted the New Deal but also used tax dollars – purportedly for national security – to construct the interstate highway system.

Former Republican National Committee Chairman Ed Gillespie recently said that under the George W. Bush administration, spending got out of control. We hear this refrain constantly: Republicans spent too much; Republicans let spending get out of control; we need to return to fiscal responsibility.

But if, in fact, Bush erred in signing and the Republicans in Congress wrongly voted for the No Child Left Behind Act, shouldn't Republicans condemn it, repent and vote for its repeal?


But if, in fact, Bush erred in signing and the Republicans in Congress wrongly voted for the prescription bill for seniors, shouldn't Republicans condemn it, repent and vote for its repeal?

But if, in fact, Bush erred in signing and the Republicans in Congress wrongly voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, shouldn't Republicans condemn it, repent and vote for its repeal?

Americans like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. And President Obama won the election, in part, by calling it a "matter of neighborliness" to tax A for the benefit of B. That this creeping socialism defies the Constitution and weakens economic growth is of little consequence to many Americans.

Republicans can regain the White House by standing on principles – and explaining their purpose and utility. The party needs candidates unafraid to convince the American people that the Founding Fathers designed the Constitution as a contract that restricts the federal government to a handful of important services, not least of which is national security. Republicans need to show how Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid – to say nothing of the various entitlement programs advocated by the current administration – will bankrupt the country. Republicans must make the case, however difficult and unpopular, for private savings accounts, a free-market-based approach to health care and private charity for the needy.

Powell says the country has changed. If so, does that mean Republicans should simply stand by and accept it, offering only minor modifications? Or should Republicans summon the courage to explain how and why this "change" threatens no less than the very existence of the republic?
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Probably the most difficult thing for liberal to understand is the difference between a conservative and a Republican. To most of them, it's one in the same. I've said it many times, Bush was hardly a conservative. Most of the voting public doesn't take the time to follow politics closely enough so they just vote for whatever their political affiliation tells them to, not realizing in many ways, they've become almost indistinguishable. Seems the only difference these days is HOW MUCH MONEY they choose to prop up big government and social programs with. Pisses me off.
 
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Probably the most difficult thing for liberal to understand is the difference between a conservative and a Republican. To most of them, it's one in the same.

I totally agree with you Mcgician.

I've continually tried to point the differences out here in the forum, and yet, the libbies just don't get it.

Med, for example, continues to trash anyone who speaks out in favor of economic and political liberty and calls us "right wing" and "Nazis." Why can't they see that what they refer to as right wing and Nazis are nothing more than a rival gang (statist Republicans) that want to strong arm them (Democrats) for the same territory?

Both the statist Democrats and the statist Republicans are on the left side of the political spectrum; the Democrats residing further to the left than the Republicans.

On the right side of the political spectrum are the classical liberals in the Jeffersonian sense. This is where Libertarians reside. This is where folks believing in free minds, free markets, a limited central government with power residing in the states and individual liberty reside.

Vi
 
One thing remains abundantly clear to me but seems completely beyond most the people I talk to, most likely because it's a hard fact to swallow
We do not live in a democratic society
We do not live in a socialist society

We in fact live in a capitalist society, which can not allow a true democracy or socialist system to exist within it.
It's really very simple, there's a old saying that just about covers it
money talks bullshit walks...
 
I would say your definition of Capitalism is wrong.
We have a system of Modern Mercantilism And Government Rent seeking, IMO.
 
I would say your definition of Capitalism is wrong.
We have a system of Modern Mercantilism And Government Rent seeking, IMO.

That may be true, and no doubt there is credit to your Modern Mercantilism idea. At the end of the day though, where the money is at is all that matters, if this was simply decided by trade and commerce I would agree with you outright. The truth of the matter though is there is a power base that come recession or abundance has the money, and with it the influence and power. This gives rise to a unrealistic amount of influence going to those people/families. In the end it's the money itself that really decides who has the most influence and that's basically why I say democracy; true democracy can not exist within this system.
Then again it's very likely that true democracy is little more than a pipe dream in a system this old. We've technologically surpassed the need for a house or representatives messages aren't delivered on horseback anymore. It made sense in the beginning but now the concept is very dated and on the verge of completely obsolete.
 
We aren't supposed to be a Democracy, our government is called a Republic, a nation under laws. No Democracy has ever survived very long.

To simplify Mystiks last post...Remember the Golden Rule, He who has the Gold makes the Rules.
 
We aren't supposed to be a Democracy, our government is called a Republic, a nation under laws. No Democracy has ever survived very long.

To simplify Mystiks last post...Remember the Golden Rule, He who has the Gold makes the Rules.

lol, true enough
 
We need to remain true to our Republic and stop asking for democracy.
We can't afford Democracy as everyone would just vote to give themselves free everything.

I don't believe in theft even if the Government says its legal.
Wether its Legislating advantages for select companies,
or taking from one group to give to another its theft.
All the Government can do is provide you with Freedom,
it has nothing else to give.

I think the senaters should be selected by the state houses.
But I could almost get behind the internet representative idea.
I would keep the same districts and still keep the reps.
But add a 2nd vote in congress yay or nay based on the internet vote.
From people in that district only (duh)
That would serve to double the number of reps.
We have needed that for a long time, more reps that is.
 
Ilkhan, not to nitpick because after reading a few of your posts I'd say you fall on the side of liberty which is a very good thing but I'm not sure"all the government can do is provide you freedom it has nothing else to give" is the way I would put it. I would say that we are endowed with freedom and it is a natural state of being. I'd say all the government can do is RESTRICT freedom rather than provide it. What the government was supposed to GIVE was protection of the individual but that turned into the kind of "extortion protection" practiced by criminals where the threat of violence becomes the "or else" motivator.
 
Government cannot give you anything that it did not first take away. Governments produce nothing, they only use resources but create nothing of value. Therefore for you to be given anything it must be taken away from someone else. People think the money is coming from the Gubbermint, but its really coming from another persons pocket, the Gubbermint just stole it from someone else and gave it to you in exchange for your vote and in the process skimmed off some of the money for itself.
 
Med, for example, continues to trash anyone who speaks out in favor of economic and political liberty and calls us "right wing" and "Nazis." Why can't they see that what they refer to as right wing and Nazis are nothing more than a rival gang (statist Republicans) that want to strong arm them (Democrats) for the same territory?
I suppose you calling me a commie isn't trash talk. I'm about as much a commie as you are a Nazi. Calling the opposition names doesn't promote any change, it just promotes animosity. I realize that you are a libertarian, and that is slightly right of Atilla the Hun, does the John Birch Society ring any bells? I see extremes on both sides as unproductive. I want government out of my life as much as anyone. There are a few jobs that government can and should do, many they should not. I say they should do health care, welfare, food stamps and whatever it takes to make life tolerable for all citizens. They have no business in my private life, no monitoring of my phone calls, my internet experiences, my travel, etc. The bill of rights has been destroyed by the politicians of the last 30 years, more in the last 8 than ever. We do not need to police the world for the corporations, study drinking habits of hookers in China, provide foriegn aid to despots etc. we could eliminate 90% of our military budget and take care of the USA, our schools, our roads and bridges, make this a country one would be proud to live in. This government has been bought and sold by the oligarchs. Time to reign them in.
 
What I mean is it can protect your freedom, which I think is its job,
and if it can't do it I think it could be outlawed. We don't NEED a government we are just used to it.

Here is why I am sick of Republicans, they are a party of Winners!!
Lindsey Graham, Hes a real peice of work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sGp1f54RSk

He votes for all the Bush shit. Then attacks the Dems for doing the SAME DAMN THING!
Vote this douche out Give the seat to a dem I don't care get rid of this guy.
Latter on he refers to himself as a "Lindsay Graham Republican" What a fucking Tard.
Who Does that?? Thats like me saying I'm a "ilkhan Libertarian" WTF.
There are Ron Paul Republicans but Ron Paul doesn't call himself a Ron Paul Republican
Hes a Senater Taft Republican a Goldwater Republican,
AHAHHAHARRRGGG!!

As long as Republicans Cling to this never ending War theory
they will NEVER get the independants on board.
So they are done.
The only way to get them to sign up now is to be the Anti-War party.
Only Ron Paul and a few others have that credability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG48g9Rk4nE
 
Vi, the reason your not a republican is because you would have to have to admit the failures of the republican party over the last 8 years and this would challenge your "political superiority", that you so proudly hold dear.
 
Ilkhan, not to nitpick because after reading a few of your posts I'd say you fall on the side of liberty which is a very good thing but I'm not sure"all the government can do is provide you freedom it has nothing else to give" is the way I would put it. I would say that we are endowed with freedom and it is a natural state of being. I'd say all the government can do is RESTRICT freedom rather than provide it. What the government was supposed to GIVE was protection of the individual but that turned into the kind of "extortion protection" practiced by criminals where the threat of violence becomes the "or else" motivator.

Rob ...

Your post is right on!

Under Obama's adminstration there are three entities sitting at the table; Government, Labor and Corporations. At the present time, they are attempting to rig the outcome. This "change" is a change in favor of fascistic ideology. The three winners are those three mentioned. The losers are everyone else.

And Med ... you said this:

"I see extremes on both sides as unproductive. I want government out of my life as much as anyone"

If this is true, then why on earth are you supporting Obama ... or any of the Democrats for that matter?

And its time for you to wake up, Med ... there is no "both sides." Both the Dems and Reps are statists, both in their own ways promoting a larger, more intrusive federal government.


Vi
 
Vi, the reason your not a republican is because you would have to have to admit the failures of the republican party over the last 8 years and this would challenge your "political superiority", that you so proudly hold dear.

Well, no offense, but I have to say bullshit to this post, olosto. I haven't been a member of the Republican Party for over 25 years, Nixon was the catalyst for me leaving the party when he imposed his wage and price controls. Nor was I a fan of Bush.

By the way ... the first time I voted for president, my vote was cast for John Kennedy.

And as far as my "political superiority" goes ... I think the love of individual liberty, from a moral standpoint, by far, outweighs the cult of of being a mere worker bee, subject to the hive mentality of an over-reaching totalitarian state.

What say you, olosto?

Vi
 
And as far as my "political superiority" goes ... I think the love of individual liberty, from a moral standpoint, by far, outweighs the cult of of being a mere worker bee, subject to the hive mentality of an over-reaching totalitarian state.

What say you, olosto?

Vi


I agree, but you will say that Obama is trying to acheive that totalitarian state. ..And that total BS. I'll be honest, Obama is taking things too far left for me. There is also no way to call this fascist without totally losing credibility. Thats so alarmist, its similar to the shit Glenn Beck pulls. If you dont see it his way then you are on your path to certain doom. BS, I hate that alarmist crap.
 
I agree, but you will say that Obama is trying to acheive that totalitarian state. ..And that total BS. I'll be honest, Obama is taking things too far left for me. There is also no way to call this fascist without totally losing credibility. Thats so alarmist, its similar to the shit Glenn Beck pulls. If you dont see it his way then you are on your path to certain doom. BS, I hate that alarmist crap.

Well, let's get this straight: Wether Obama is "trying" or not, his policies WILL lead to a totalitarian state. Look at what he's done so far in the name of "crisis." He's taken over the banks, auto companies, insurance companies ... and he's headed into the medical business as well. He's spent TRILLIONS of borrowed and printed money that can only be paid back by future generations. This is debt that represents labor not yet expended. In other words, he is enslaving economically, the children of the future.

And you may think that using the term "fascist" is being alarmist, but the very definition of a fascist economic system is ... the illusion of private ownership with strict, dictatorial control by government. Isn't that exactly what we are evolving into under the Obama administration?

Not all fascists were Nazis ... nor were all fascists racists as Hitler was. Mussolini was a very effective fascist dictator and well thought of by Churchill and FDR prior to WWII. President Wilson was a fascist. Franklin Roosevelt was a fascist ... and a racist as well. And I stand by my conviction that Obama, willingly or not, is a fascist.

Honestly, olosto ... before you go off on guys like me and Glenn Beck, with all due respect, man ... read some history.

Here's another book recommendation ... by a brilliant author:

http://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Tyranny-Conservative-Mark-Levin/dp/1416562850#

Vi
 
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