Why I'm voting NO on prop. 19

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veggiegardener

veggiegardener

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Cause and effect. Prop 19 gives local jurisdictions the ability to tax Cannabis cultivation out of (legal) existence.

Never trust a politician. Your desires aren't necessarily his.

These taxes can't exist if prop 19 doesn't pass.
 
420God

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Neither can the legal sale of recreational marijuana and that's what the bill is all about.
 
SmokeMedprop215

SmokeMedprop215

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veggiegardener said:
Cause and effect. Prop 19 gives local jurisdictions the ability to tax Cannabis cultivation out of (legal) existence.

Never trust a politician. Your desires aren't necessarily his.

These taxes can't exist if prop 19 doesn't pass.
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Similar to the federal marijuana tax stamp that allows you to have possession of marijuana "anywhere" but the stamps were never made or issued to even have
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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veggiegardener said:
Cause and effect. Prop 19 gives local jurisdictions the ability to tax Cannabis cultivation out of (legal) existence.

Never trust a politician. Your desires aren't necessarily his.

These taxes can't exist if prop 19 doesn't pass.
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Yes, those taxes can exist without prop 19. Did you read that article in full?

It says:

But the city's proposed "Personal Cannabis Cultivation Tax" also makes no distinction between medical and recreational cultivation. So the tax would kick in for anyone currently cultivating for personal medical use -- whether Prop 19 passes or not.

Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/weed-wars/2010/08/rancho-cordova-readies-measure-to-tax-marijuana-cultivators.html#ixzz0yyTdSS4x
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If that isn't proof enough the city of San Jose is voting on taxing cannabis too. It makes no distinction between medical and non medical cannabis. It goes into effect regardless of if prop 19 passes or not.

If prop 19 does pass they have said they will actually lower taxes on medical cannabis. That's exactly the opposite of the effect you are worried about.

A quote from that article:

If Prop. 19 passes, the City Council agreed it would review the tax structure and likely lower the tax rate for medicinal marijuana.
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So yes, cannabis taxes can and will exist regardless of if prop 19 passes or not. Cities/counties do not need prop 19 to tax cannabis. Prop 19 does not give cities/counties any ability to tax cannabis that they don't already have.

Prop 19 doesn't even add any taxes to cannabis at all! Read prop 19. You won't find a single tax added to cannabis anywhere in it! It's just marketed as "tax and regulate" so people will vote for it.

I continue to challenge anyone on here to find me any tax that prop 19 adds to cannabis.
 
veggiegardener

veggiegardener

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Bottom line.

Medical grows have AB 420 and Prop 215 to protect them, without Prop 19. Prop 19 may override 215 and WILL override 420.

You're basing everything you've mentioned on the word of politicians.

Show me something in writing that someone has signed.

In about 40 years as a voter, I've rarely been proven pessimistic with regards to political promises. In nearly every case, they've taken the low road.

If this passes, I'll be here to tell you, "I told you so."

I'll be interested to hear if you pay your local fees.
 
1gamma45

1gamma45

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I cant say this enough. We live in the U.S. we are run by big buisness. Untill that chages you need pull your heads out of your asses and stop a pointless fight you will not win.

This is what the Governement is willing to give you. I would suggest you stop pissing on it and take it. Once its in place work on changing details to get closer to the disiered law.

I hate to say it but I am going to laugh balls off when it doesnt pass and Cali say hey that was your chance you didnt take F you all.


Stop tring to cut your own throat. Is it the best plan no is it what Jack was looking for no. But for the love of Bud wake up and understand its the best your going to get as long as big buisness has the power it does in the U.S. Governement.

Sorry and thanks.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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veggiegardener said:
Bottom line.

Medical grows have AB 420 and Prop 215 to protect them, without Prop 19. Prop 19 may override 215 and WILL override 420.
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No it won't. It's written right into the bill specifically stating that it won't over ride either. If you'd like me to prove that for you just ask and I will.

You're basing everything you've mentioned on the word of politicians.
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Actually I'm not. I'm basing it off of what prop 19 will make law.
 
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fdd2blk

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Dan Kone said:
If the point is prop 19 contains the language "tax cannabis", no I'm not missing that at all. It just isn't true that prop 19 actually does do this. Prop 19 does nothing to tax cannabis. They can tax cannabis legally now without prop 19. That is a proven fact.

The idea that we should vote against prop 19 because it will tax cannabis is completely flawed logic. That simply isn't true that prop 19 adds a tax or enables taxation. Why should I vote against prop 19 for reasons that are not true?
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how can you say, ...

"prop 19 will lead to other states relaxing there laws"



then deny, ..

"prop 19 will lead to more taxes"?



both are speculation.

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fdd2blk

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1gamma45 said:
I cant say this enough. We live in the U.S. we are run by big buisness. Untill that chages you need pull your heads out of your asses and stop a pointless fight you will not win.

This is what the Governement is willing to give you. I would suggest you stop pissing on it and take it. Once its in place work on changing details to get closer to the disiered law.

I hate to say it but I am going to laugh balls off when it doesnt pass and Cali say hey that was your chance you didnt take F you all.


Stop tring to cut your own throat. Is it the best plan no is it what Jack was looking for no. But for the love of Bud wake up and understand its the best your going to get as long as big buisness has the power it does in the U.S. Governement.

Sorry and thanks.
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this is NOT an offer from the government. :wall:

and who is "cali"?
 
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miteubhi?

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420God said:
I could give a shit how much they tax it as long as they make it legal.
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You are one of the many fools starstruck by the fact it will be legal. Have fun buying that new house for some fat greedy politician.

Do you really have a problem getting herb anyways? Regardless of its legal state, I would assume you grow your own by the fact you are

posting on a mj site, would it change anything for you? Prices won't get lower on soil, and would you stop growing if it were easier to

go down the street and buy it? If so, bummer for you, I have too much fun to ever stop growing with Mary. Plus, my herb will DESTROY what I

can find at any dispensary near me. Hope you wise up. Peace.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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veggiegardener said:
Okay, prove it. But be sure to highlight where it says it won't effect medicinal grows. That is my biggest issue.
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Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.

11362.5 = prop 215 there is a clear exemption there.
 
420God

420God

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miteubhi? said:
You are one of the many fools starstruck by the fact it will be legal. Have fun buying that new house for some fat greedy politician.

Do you really have a problem getting herb anyways? Regardless of its legal state, I would assume you grow your own by the fact you are

posting on a mj site, would it change anything for you? Prices won't get lower on soil, and would you stop growing if it were easier to

go down the street and buy it? If so, bummer for you, I have too much fun to ever stop growing with Mary. Plus, my herb will DESTROY what I

can find at any dispensary near me. Hope you wise up. Peace.
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Umm, I own a business that makes organic compost. I'm not to worried about the price of anything. I just don't want to worry if I get pulled over and I have a bag on me. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to turn it down. We've been screaming to have it legalized for over 30 years and now you want to say no, just plain stupid, take what you can get. The only people that are going to lose are the ones that grow for money and if that's the case, good, get a real fucking job and let those that need it take it up as a hobby as I do. I'd rather have big business put the shit on the streets rather than someone that thinks they know what they're doing, at least then it will get regulated and done properly.
 
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miteubhi?

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What like the FDA. Please. Enjoy slavery.

Plus, if you are a mmj user like myself, you can have as much herb on you as your doctor allows. I can have 2lbs and the 5-0 can't do a thing.

Next?
 
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