Why is Communism bad?

The true crux of this issue, as pinpointed by 420penguin, is the abject failure of communism every time it has been tried. One would think that this fact would settle the matter, but certainly not..... (Good thread BTW)

The glorious social democracies of western Europe are unraveling as the retiree to worker ratio turns around and the immigration problems mount, the birthrates are shockingly low...there is a good chance that there will be no Western Europe (as we have known it) in the next fifty years. Seems to me this version of socialism has not worked out too well!

there is a good chance that there will be no Western Europe (as we have known it) in the next fifty years. For that matter, with your hero Bush in the drivers seat, There may well be no anything in 2 years, Iran, Syria, N. Korea, The axis of evil, He might start WWIII. The Neocons (of which you so proudly align with) are out to start WWIII. I guess they take world domination seriously!

Self preservation is a very strong human trait, without which, the human specie would disappear. Self interest and self preservation are pretty much the same animal. Capitalism works great in a human environment and communism fails everytime because of it.

Vi

Our entire economy will implode, causing extreme pressure on the government. the beginning of WWIII.

honestly, i really hope so. as much as i love the idea of peace n love, i will admit its pretty much unattainable. so, being the all or nothing type of individual that i am, i hope that i get to die the coolest way possible. nuclear apocalypse, anybody?

medicineman said:

there is a good chance that there will be no Western Europe (as we have known it) in the next fifty years. For that matter, with your hero Bush in the drivers seat, There may well be no anything in 2 years, Iran, Syria, N. Korea, The axis of evil, He might start WWIII. The Neocons (of which you so proudly align with) are out to start WWIII. I guess they take world domination seriously!

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WWIII began with 9-11. We are in it. Bush didn't start it.

"What happens when capitalism gets out of control, like it is at this time?"

Capitalism out of control? What indicators are you using?

Vi

Well, if one is going to rely on the MSM for info, then one would believe that WalMart is the most evil enterprise to ever mar the face of the earth. In other words, the MSM have an agenda. In the WalMart situation, for example, its all about WalMart not being unionized. The MSM is liberal. The unions support the liberal party. Therefore, the MSM rallies against WalMart. Just extend this out to every subject. The MSM is liberal. The MSM supports the liberal party. The liberal party was/is out of power. Therefore, the MSM has been negative toward the Bush administration from
the get-go.

Vi

If capitalism is "out of control", what pray tell, is the state of alternative systems?
Because in actual real life practice, capitalism is the true benefactor of humanity, it is not the font of evil as many among us believe.
In general terms, the freer the market, the more productive it becomes!
Capitalism is not perfect, it is simply the best system yet devised by man.

So i guess you have no problem paying somebody 15cents for a day of work even if they are only 8 years old ,yeah screw the unions Vi, screw the unions...
Hopefully this 8 year old wont learn how to fly a plane when he grows up and plunge it into unother skyscraper because if he did I couldnt really blame him...

krime ...

Obviously you are not talking about American children working for 15 cents a day, right? So, you must be talking about foreign children working for that amount. What are the political systems under which they live? Do they live under a representative republic like we do, or do they live under dictatorships ... or at least a system whereby the few plunder the many? Another thought ... what would be better, for a child and his/her family; to work in a textile factory in India to eke out a living ... or make their living by rummaging through the dumps in Calcutta?

Vi

I dont see mutch diference between the dump or the sweat shop,either way the kid is doomed and I think it is irresponsible on Wall marts part to ignore that fact...Lets face it Wall Mart has enough pull to dictate trade policies for the entire 3rd world.

krime ...

You may find this article interesting:

Wal-Mart steps up foreign inspections - Boston.com

The article does not disproof my point,you cant trust Wallmart to police itself, also dont you think that companies that supply wallmart subcontract other sweatshops that are not beeng monitored? Also ILO almost sounds like a front ,how come they are only in Combodia, what happened to the other 299 contryes? I would feel alot more comfortible if the inspections were done by U.S. labor officials...
I would feel alot better about "mega corporate" capitalism if minimum wage was the same world wide.

"I would feel alot better about "mega corporate" capitalism if minimum wage was the same world wide."

Oo, theyre gonna go at u fer that...

krime and preoQ, how can the US intervene in the established political systems of these different countries?.....how can the US enforce or institute any international minimum wage? These countries have their own political and economic systems in place....Why is it the fault of US corporations that these companies happen to offer the highest possible wage to the general populace?
How is this a bad thing?

Capitalism is not perfect, it is simply the best system yet devised by man.
__________________I believe that is subjective to say the least. Maybe it has worked for you and you are a benefactor of it. The majority of the rest of the world pay the price for your comfort and liesure. I myself was in the labor market and saw full well the workings of capitalism. It's the golden rule; "Those with the Gold Rule" If you were unfortunate enough to be born poor and have no connection to wealth, you are about 99.9% sure to remain poor. There is that .01 chance you'll catch the eye if some rich benefactor and impress him with your ability,(plus get massive back pain from bending over to kiss his ass) then you might have a chance to escape the burden of poverty, your chances are, you might say, from super slim to none! I myself impressed a rich man with my ability to run his small company, but when it came time to share the wealth, he called his son to the task and I was left on the side of the proverbial road. I have no ill feelings towards this man, in fact I love him as a man. He was the best person I've ever known, and I understand his motives. I just used this to make my point. If your born poor, you'll stay poor, Fuck Capitalism!!!!!

Wavels said:

krime and preoQ, how can the US intervene in the established political systems...

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Ey man, dont misunderstand me, i was just commenting on how u would react to krime's post. i do agree that walmart shouldnt do business w/ companies that are known to support sweat shops, but i dont think its our countries responsibility to police other counties' shit though.


after reading this thread the past few days, i think ill change my mind though. our countries doin pretty bad, so the first reaction is to point fingers at the system that brought us to this point, but i see now that capitalism isnt the problem. its the people.

i do think that rich people should try to help out the little guys as much as possible, but sadly most rich people simply dont understand the struggle of our lives. (i do consider myself poor because unless i feel like paying for student loans for the next 30 yrs of my life, theres no standard, legal way for me to make a good living.)

most lower, lower-mid class ppl go on n on about how rich folks are ignorant and dont understand, blah, blah. is it their faults? well we say its not our fault that we were born "poor" so how can we blame them for their ignorance, which was caused by being born "rich"?


it might seem strange that i did a bit of a 180 here, but i dont feel like wasting anymore effort trying to argue a point that gives me a stagnant feeling in my head every time i think of it.

so right now my point of view is this: capitalism is the closest thing to anarchy thats going right now. (which i believe would be heaven) the reason its gone down the shitter is obvious. greediness. so the little guys need to infiltrate the big wig club AND REMEMBER WHERE THEY CAME FROM

diddy should be hiring wellfair recipients.