Why is everyone buying into this Auto-Flower and Female seed crap?

i8urbabi

Well-Known Member
autoflowers look sexy under LED's. Both of those items seem to cause some commotion upon the growing community. Considering it started from just doing some science i say good for them for figuring out they could create such plants, and well, female seeds still have a 50/50 chance really of being a male i suppose. you dont know until you know man.
 

Drasil

Member
You do know people that Auto-flowering is nothing more than crossing a Sativa/Indica with a horrible Ruderalis strain, Right? Ruderalis is a shit strain that you want to stay away from.

You also know that there is no such thing as a female seed. The seed is actually a hermaphrodite seed and can do some wild crappy things if you let it get away from you.

I simply do not understand why I see supposed growers keep buying seeds. Why aren't you breeding them yourselves? It's really not that hard to do and you can do it with only sacrificing one tiny little bottom branch on your female plant and you will still get a 100 seeds from the bottom branch. The rest of the plant is still smokeable.

All I see that the breeders are doing is destroying the original strains.
Yes, you are right, autoflower strains suck. I'm speaking from experience. I was a noob, grew out some Easy Ryder's, the smoke was ok at first and got me super stoned, but I quickly built up a tolerance and it ended up just sitting in a jar for about two months. I went back to it later on and it wasn't much better so I gave it away. I've since matured as a grower and know the good genetics and will never ever grow another autoflower. They're just a waste if you're a real connoisseur. I'm all about real strains now days. Yeah those auto's are quick and short, but they're not that much quicker and you can keep many regular strains short by topping, lst and growing clones. I honestly see no need for auto's, they are crap compared to the real strain they were before being crossed with the ditch weed (ruderalis)

As for the fem'd seeds part, man you need to get with the times. All fem'd beans aren't crap these days, I guess you missed the memo. Really I've grown out both regular sex beans and fem beans and there's no difference. I see lot's of complaints, but I honestly feel that's due to grower error or just incompetence. A lot of people with smaller grows don't have the time or space to grow out a full pack of beans hunting for a female. I've been growing fem'd seeds for a year now, lot's of different strains, from good breeders though. One herm, but it was my fault, not the seed or breeders fault. I forgot I drilled a hole and there was a light leak for a couple weeks.

Fem seeds are just fine if you get them from good breeders and take care of em. You will end up with a killer mj plant and some great smoke, there should be no argument over people growing from fem seeds. Grow some out (not just the freebies) and then report back. What you're doing now is just saying a bunch of crap without having any experience with actual fem seeds. You want to sound superior to other growers because you grow out regular seeds, you just waste more of your time than we do. If I had the room, I'd be growing regs sometimes just to make a seed crop, but that's it.

As for the breeding thing, yeah if you have room to keep male plants to grow out for pollen to make seeds, thn that's great. But, really an extra area for that would be even more expense, space, lighting, ventilation, etc... Why not just keep a nice mother of your favorite strain to keep the strain around? I do agree with you about breeders destroying good genetics. There are far too many random crosses these days. It's like breeders have gone cross crazy and don't even think about the end result. I've smoked some absolute crap crosses in my time. It really bothers me, it's like breeders are ruining good weed by crossing it with so many other strains and then calling it something stupid. Ooooh I gotta fire ass skunkxmekong hazexjack hererxblack dominaxQuerklexour secret geneticsxpineapple expressxearly skunkxog kush. Yeah that's about right, no thanks I'll pass on that dumbass cross. Stick with real strains and stay away from all the crosses that are just a muddied genepool of mediocre genetics.

Oh and is it really hard to figure out why people are still buying beans? I'd say the #1 reason is, we/they want to try new strains. Why do you care again?

i use fem seed also
i dont have much space to grow and dont wanna waste time and money growing males
btw,i have never had a hermie
seems like u just wanted something to complain about
Same, I hate growing out regular seeds just to find some females. It's entirely too time consuming and so much care is wasted. Again, nothing wrong with fem seeds.

I use fem's when i use seeds as i have niether the time or space to grow out double amount of regular seeds. I hardly think that constitutes me being an idiot
The guy obviously has zero experience with fem seeds or he wouldn't be here bitching about em. Fem seeds are great, I really dont get all the hate and complaints. I think people see others complaining and they want attention too, so they complain even though they are clueless and don't have solid facts. Agreed, it's great to have several different strains going at once. :weed:
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
I would love to know where you get your numbers from, specifically your statement about autoflowers having 5-8 percent Thc. l
Im just going by what i see in high times and some of the seed company web sites. Auto flower seeds might have more THC than 5-8%, but so many damn companies over exaggerate their thc% that i wouldnt be surprised if only a handful of strain have truly more than 20% THC. I think most people are taking in much less THC than they think. I would like to see some irrefutable science by a third party on this.

well anything new has it's kinks but bet one day the autos will be a high selling high caliber item give it time.
I think your right. I have a felling that people will eventually be screaming for it.
 

kingcapo123

Well-Known Member
biggest thing that i dont like is seeds companys now goin female only ???

fem seeds have there place its good to get a few pick n mix and try diff strains takes all the hassle out of it but if your lookin for a keeper one you want to mother and clone it has to be regular

sensi recommend the same and i tend to tust there judgment !!!
 

Decs

Well-Known Member
Dude, as long a feminized seed produces buds who cares?

Also, auto's containing sativa and indica genes usually cause for good smoke.

with that being said this isn't really a big issue because most of the time potency depends on the person who is growing the plant.

if you harvest too early you get shitty weed, if you harvest too late you get shitty weed, if you harvest in the right time period you end up with some decent weed that will get you high and that's all that matters in this case.

By the way, i personally think you only posted this to get your post count up and get people
to notice you because they are all here for 1 reason and 1 reason only (weed) and they aren't
paying any attention to poor little old you!
 

MixedMelodyMindBender

Active Member
I dont have any issues with Auto Flowering strains. I have had good success with them, and I appreciate what they are breed out for. Feminized Seeds on the other hand are not what they are cracked up to be IMO. I consistently get males just like I do regular seeds. I also seem to get more hermies with Fem Seeds. I personally think its crossing the laws of Nature. Males are supposed to pollinate females. In nature I dont think Females are supposed to pollinate other females...doesnt make sense to me, but then again, I am not a botanist. My field is Physics :)

With reg packs of beans, I still get males, but I dont get the higher rates of hermies. Just my .02cents :)
 

farmboss

Well-Known Member
All I see that the breeders are doing is destroying the original strains.
Hybrids. can't have them without fcking with originals.

as for "there is no such thing as a female seed"

actually there is. there is a way to IDENTIFY a female. not necessarilly a way to GAURANTEE female seeds.
 

Drasil

Member
I think your right. I have a felling that people will eventually be screaming for it.
Why? Why would people ever be screaming for autoflower strains when the real deal is so much better and equally as easy to grow? Only noobs like autoflower strains. Simple as that. Anyone who is a true connoisseur and who has actually grown plants for awhile knows auto's aren't the way to go. Notice how ALL the people that love and praise auto's are new to growing/smoking? All the serious oldschool growers know better. Compare strains man, there is no way an auto is worth the time or money when you could just as easily grow the real thing. People spending hundreds of dollars on auto's and bragging about it are silly noobs and have no clue how they appear to people who've been in this game for awhile. What's really funny is you'll see an angry noob from time to time defending his autoflower purchase to the death because he spent so much money on the seeds he wont admit his weed is no where near top shelf quality. Autoflower strains = Good strain crossed with Ditch Weed (Ruderalis means Ditch Weed, look it up), all they do is bloom without needing 12/12. Is it really that hard to get a room set up with a timer on 12/12? Grow a real plant!

Autoflower strains and the noobs getting/recommending them are a real problem. Too many new growers get them thinking they're great because they read about another noob who is praising them because they don't know any better. They end up wasting a lot of time and money just to realize months down the line that they are complete crap. You cant even clone the things. So that means you will be doing the bean ordering thing all the time if you want to keep growing. Call me crazy, but it's much easier just to keep a mother of a real strain and grow clones for as many years as you want and have an endless supply of knockout bud from the actual strain.

N00b's, dont waste your time or money on autoflowering strains. Just 12/12 the real thing and you'll be so glad you did. Just fyi for those who are getting the auto AK's. lol... It's sad that you don't know this already, but real AK47 is 100% better than the auto ak(easy ryder). If you were to smoke the two and compare you'd never buy into the autoflower hype again. You can argue, but until you actually smoke the real thing and compare it to your crappy little autoflower, you'll continue being clueless. :joint:
 

stonedmetalhead1

Well-Known Member
Look, for all the people that like fem seeds and auto-flowering plants. The simple truth is auto flowering plants are a ruderalis hybrid. The ruderalis plant is a hemp plant and by itself is pretty much bunk. Even when crossed out to a sativa or indica the hybrids still contain the junk genetics. For the Fem seeds, basic laws of genetics apply. The hermaphroditic traits will be forever passed on to whatever is bred with it. Yes, in some cases a marijuana plant will through out some nanners late in flower to keep the genetic alive but breeding with hermaphroditic plants is a whole different story. While you might grow out a plant that shows no male flowers the genetic trait is still there and will be forever passed on and the genetics will be highly unstable. These seed are a set back in preserving the genetic line as a whole because your introducing inferior genetics into the gene pool. In the long run this will be problematic but I know most of you don't care about that because you can't see beyond yourselves. Supporting these company's producing fem seeds and auto's only puts more shit genetics out in the world to ruin what good genetics we have left. This plant is hard enough to keep alive with it being illegal all over the world. I know someone is going to say " there's weed everywhere dude" but the truth is people like us are the ones keeping this plant alive. Governments all over the world would love to eradicate this plant and the least we could do is try and progress the quality of the herb instead of hinder it.
 

Beansly

RIU Bulldog
Why? Why would people ever be screaming for autoflower strains when the real deal is so much better and equally as easy to grow? Only noobs like autoflower strains.
Actually im the one that said people would be screaming for it.
I think you might be the one whos clueless my friend. There are a lot of people that want to grow weed, but really dont want to deal with the hassle of it all. Any way you could make thing easier would be appretiated by a lot of people. I think the only thing holding people back from trying auto-flowering plants is the lack of potency. If someday through breeding, auto-flower strains actually became as powerful as some of the more popular strains, people will happily buy them im sure. Especially people who want to keep it simple - stupid.

In any case what do you care? Your growing your own shit, you dont have to worry about buying someone else's shitty weed. Like girlie said (i forgot her SN), as long as encourage everyone to grow, why does it matter how they do it? We need to support our fellow stoners/growers.

Besides, the Auto-Flower group on this forum has 157 members, so I guess a few people agree w/ me.
 

klmmicro

Well-Known Member
I have grown lots of plants in my time. All have had their strengths and weaknesses. When i was young, I had to grow guerrilla as I was living with my parents. They would not have it. I cut my teeth and learned on outdoor setups. Eventually we were growing out monster plants, but had to deal with male/female issues. There were no femmed seeds, so yu double your numbers and hope for the best. Femmed seed are great in my opinion and once they were regularly available, that became the only way to fly if you wanted a small grow. Don't get me wrong, regular seeds are fine too if you have the space to grow them out.

Lately I have been growing indoors only. I like the control it gives me as well as the anonymity. I have begun to grow an autoflower strains here and there...crap they are NOT. Grow it right, harvest on time and you can get good smoke with little issue. They do not seem produce large plants like "normal" strains, but they do produce good smoke. I do not dis anyone's work. It is their garden and they should grow what they feel like growing. As long as they are happy with what they produce, who are we to question their effort?
 

MixedMelodyMindBender

Active Member
over half of these plants are feminized. :weed:





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patlpp

New Member
Scenario: Old toker has secure job but just wants a little stash for the weekends. He knows or trusts nobody to sell to him at the risk of getting busted or exposed. Toker doesn't want to invest excessive amounts time and money in a grow, he may be too busy making a living. He wants to be in and out of this growing phase as quickly as possible because of the smells and visitors. He buys a little 250 watt MH, a little soil, and an auto strain. No need to find a totally dark area for 12 hrs. He has smoke in 65 days !!. Grows an OZ, keeping below the state felony level. Grow lasts him for half a year. He has a low tolerance because he doesn't smoke hours on end, so he gets plenty high on this "8" % strain (more like 12% IMO). Whats so fucking stupid about that?
 

twistedwords

Well-Known Member
@ stonedmetalhead1, You are what I was looking for in seeing who knew about genetics and you are correct. Great response. As for the rest I understand that some of you think that the breeders are doing you a favor, but they are not. You see what they are really trying to do is get everyone to a point of being complacent with the idea of having all female plants delivered to you. What you don't understand is that eventually the original strains will be lost and put away in their pockets. Then none of you will ever be able to breed on your own. Why? you won't have any male plants to work with. lastly, as far as you don't have enough space. BS you can grow 24 plants in a 48x24x50 Grow tent with a modified dual chamber. Clones one one side and flowers on the other and you can create this dual chamber for 10 dollars of material and some velcro tape and whamo now you have a dual chamber.
 

growace

Active Member
probably won't auto cus of low potency, like the idea of any way that breeders are trying to make things easier
Fem seeds etc. Nothing wrong with being a noob either. Gotta start somewhere. After I get to be a tits grower
Someday. I'll have all kinda million watt HID, and supercab and diamond dust LOL.
When that time comes I won't be criticle SP of other. Glad you have the time. Maybe humility is for me.
 

tip top toker

Well-Known Member
as far as you don't have enough space. BS you can grow 24 plants in a 48x24x50 Grow tent with a modified dual chamber. Clones one one side and flowers on the other and you can create this dual chamber for 10 dollars of material and some velcro tape and whamo now you have a dual chamber.
And you can grow 10,000 plants in a big ol field. When i say i don't have space it's because i don't have space. I don't have the luxury of popping huge tents up here and there, i grow sneakily, and as such have to make do wiht what i can.
 

growace

Active Member
thanks patipp,
you hit the nail, I really love this site, Many members suffer from bigshotism. I spend more time reading the cool guys that are kind enough to help out. Look at riddleme and smokslikebob they just want to pay it foward.
There are many others Thank God.
 

twistedwords

Well-Known Member
@ TIP TOP TOKER. How is a 4 feet wide by 2 feet depth by 5 feet high a huge space concern? I bet your grow room is larger than this and you don't even know it. The beauty about these new grow tent is you can concele, hide and grow with no one knowing. Oh and I have no affiliation with grow tent manufacturers. I used to dream about having these nice tents, but now they are a reality and will only cost you $100 dollars at the most. I am only trying to help you all out. There are ways if you are qilling to learn.
 
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