Why is it that...

tokeprep

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We've not been over this or anything, who are you?

I repeat it because it's worth being repeated. Those 4 supreme court cases are the reason the middle class in America is in danger of going extinct

-Buckley v. Valeo - "Money is speech"
-First National Bank of Boston v. Bellotti - "Corporations have a 1st amendment right to free speech"
-Citizens United v. FEC - "the First Amendment prohibits the government from restricting political independent expenditures by corporations, associations, or labor unions"
-McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission - "challenges the biennial aggregate limit that individuals can contribute to national party and federal candidate committees."

Not to mention legally bribing a politician is far from the only way to buy them
Yeah we have. The last time you were saying corporations could make campaign contributions I told you that you were wrong and you acknowledged it. Corporations cannot make campaign contributions. None of the cases you just cited say corporations can make campaign contributions.
Indeed, look at the text you quoted: "...independent expenditures..."

Advocating for your interests or a cause you believe in is not a campaign contribution. The candidates have no control over the money and are prohibited by law from coordinating their campaign activities with those of independent groups. Claims that coordination must necessarily occur are dubious. Everyone has access to public polling and private groups can conduct their own polling and hold their own focus groups. Republican candidates don't need to coordinate with Koch vehicles, for example, for them to understand where they should be running their ads and what those ads should say. It's blatantly obvious without any secret backroom channels.

You're completely naive if you believe this
You're naive if you don't believe it. Alas, I suspect the majority of the American population agrees with you--they see themselves as helpless victims instead of the holders of absolute economic power. If you believe you're powerless it tends to be self-fulfilling.

"Fucking Walmart, they treat their employees like shit!"--uttered by people I've known who buy stuff from Walmart. There's no Walmart without customers, and being a customer is an entirely free choice. I don't shop at Walmart. I don't eat fast food. I don't buy anything Koch Industries makes. If everyone else followed my example those companies would disappear. The truth is that the vast majority of people are selfish and really don't care, despite whatever lip service they might pay. Economic winners and losers are decided by dollars spent, not by the volumes of empty, meaningless words uttered.

How'd you find my self-portrait?
 

Pinworm

Well-Known Member
Yeah we have. The last time you were saying corporations could make campaign contributions I told you that you were wrong and you acknowledged it. Corporations cannot make campaign contributions. None of the cases you just cited say corporations can make campaign contributions.
Indeed, look at the text you quoted: "...independent expenditures..."

Advocating for your interests or a cause you believe in is not a campaign contribution. The candidates have no control over the money and are prohibited by law from coordinating their campaign activities with those of independent groups. Claims that coordination must necessarily occur are dubious. Everyone has access to public polling and private groups can conduct their own polling and hold their own focus groups. Republican candidates don't need to coordinate with Koch vehicles, for example, for them to understand where they should be running their ads and what those ads should say. It's blatantly obvious without any secret backroom channels.



You're naive if you don't believe it. Alas, I suspect the majority of the American population agrees with you--they see themselves as helpless victims instead of the holders of absolute economic power. If you believe you're powerless it tends to be self-fulfilling.

"Fucking Walmart, they treat their employees like shit!"--uttered by people I've known who buy stuff from Walmart. There's no Walmart without customers, and being a customer is an entirely free choice. I don't shop at Walmart. I don't eat fast food. I don't buy anything Koch Industries makes. If everyone else followed my example those companies would disappear. The truth is that the vast majority of people are selfish and really don't care, despite whatever lip service they might pay. Economic winners and losers are decided by dollars spent, not by the volumes of empty, meaningless words uttered.



How'd you find my self-portrait?
Your opinions come out like shit. No one even likes you. What the fuck are you doing here?
 
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