Padawanbater2
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It's too bad people like you don't get elected to public office..
Why should I respect your beliefs?
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bluntmassa1
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of course it aint my buissness if they want to where bed sheets and hang around a fire damning minorities their no worse then those religos nuts who say I'm going to hell cause I don't beleive the right religon or go to their church
Seedling
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Thoughts and actions are two different things...
The difference between prejudice and discrimination is that prejudice is a thought, and discrimination is an action. You see the difference? Well, the same goes for the difference between beliefs and actions. A person can believe whatever they like, but it's their ACTIONS for which they are held accountable. People can say what they believe, but they are then responsible for those words. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that it's okay for you to go around town slandering somebody, that is against the law. You can express your ideas, but if they are later found to be unsubstantiated and harmful to another, you are held accountable!!
The difference between prejudice and discrimination is that prejudice is a thought, and discrimination is an action. You see the difference? Well, the same goes for the difference between beliefs and actions. A person can believe whatever they like, but it's their ACTIONS for which they are held accountable. People can say what they believe, but they are then responsible for those words. Freedom of speech doesn't mean that it's okay for you to go around town slandering somebody, that is against the law. You can express your ideas, but if they are later found to be unsubstantiated and harmful to another, you are held accountable!!
scroglodyte
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.................so i don't bust yer nose
Doer
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Funny thing is, I doublt many will realize what respect is. You can't demand respect. That's gangland and it's not respect.
No one needs to respect belief, but many people don't give a bit of respect to the next guy as a fellow struggler in the game of life.
Respect, to me has bcome a sily, thowaway word like Trust or Truth. If we can't respect a fellow for his fellowship alone, you won't be able to undersand his beliefs, cause you are not listening, right? This is especially true in forum.
You don't know anything except what is written. You don't know the person or their persona, or if they are DEA, or Juvie Sex trolls. So, I say we should respect our own ignorance in the situation. And we should have some natural respect for anyone that comes with ideas to discuss. It is not that easy to express ourselves in writting.
So, my question to myself, do I possesses self-respect, at this moment? We can callenge beliefs and that's good for all.
But, it is an art to learn how not to be a turd in forum.
No one needs to respect belief, but many people don't give a bit of respect to the next guy as a fellow struggler in the game of life.
Respect, to me has bcome a sily, thowaway word like Trust or Truth. If we can't respect a fellow for his fellowship alone, you won't be able to undersand his beliefs, cause you are not listening, right? This is especially true in forum.
You don't know anything except what is written. You don't know the person or their persona, or if they are DEA, or Juvie Sex trolls. So, I say we should respect our own ignorance in the situation. And we should have some natural respect for anyone that comes with ideas to discuss. It is not that easy to express ourselves in writting.
So, my question to myself, do I possesses self-respect, at this moment? We can callenge beliefs and that's good for all.
But, it is an art to learn how not to be a turd in forum.
ThE sAtIvA hIgH
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it depends where you live , in some countries still today , merely talking about your beliefs could get you killed ,and this was world wide not to many years ago .
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Aw crap. Not _________s. Grab the torches and pitchforks!! cn
Kaendar
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You cant compare a church to the Klan. Thats just stupid.
Heisenberg
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They are each a result of adhering to and failing to question an ideology. They both foster hate, preach intolerance and they are the same in their dogmatic nature.
Kaendar
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You are insane. Churches are all about helping others and improving the quality of life. The KKK is all about hate and bigotry. You sir have negative feelings towards the church, which means your opinion has been compromised.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Dissenting opinion. Many many churches, including all the truly virulent Evangelical denominations, are about divisiveness. Chosen v. Damned. To me that is evil incarnate. They are the actual Satanists, because no decent God would want people so blindered. cn
Cut.Throat.
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As long as you adhere to their beliefs. If not they'll damn you and preach down on you in a heartbeat. True story.
Kaendar
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Ok, if thats how you interpret that.. but it still cant be compared to the outright hate that the KKK preaches. Look at a church - they offer forgiveness, programs for you and your kids, assistance when you need it, emotional support, etc.. all in the name of saving souls for god. Look at the KKK - they teach hate, intolerance, ignorance, and lies based on the color of somebodies skin. Im sorry, but comparing the 2 is stupid. Its like comparing someone that has to use prescription narcotics for back pain to a heroin addict.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The KKK is at least honest and open about their hate. The churches who preach their hate, their artificial but ideologically required divisions, camouflage it. They're the worse criminals of the mind. (My opinion.) cn
Kaendar
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Churches dont preach hate. They teach that anyone, even KKK members have a chance at salvation. They dont single out anybody and say that they are less or anything. Dont get me wrong, there are some false churches like that one that burnt the qurans, but thats a tiny percent.. maybe 1 out of every 1000 is extreme like that.
Heisenberg
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You misunderstand. The KKK does charitable things as well. Doesn't change the fact that the ideology is flawed and fosters discrimination.
I suggest you look at the things the church has done when it had all the power. They burned women for being witches, because witchcraft was seen as the devils work. They skipped the step where they ask themselves if the devil is real. They covered the feet of non-believers in fat and roasted them. (The fat helped the nerve endings last longer) Once these non-believers succumbed to the pain and accepted God, they killed them immediately before they could backslide, for the benefit of their soul. Now, if these people had admitted they can not prove a soul, that it is merely a belief they prefer, would they then be able to find the ability to do these horrible things to people? I could fill this entire thread with examples of people committing heinous acts against their fellow man due to some belief they can't even begin to substantiate. If the church had it's way, there would be no tolerance for middle ground, no tolerance for non-belief.
Sophistication has eliminated potential for some of the most terrible acts, but we still see plenty of examples of a false and unproven ideology causing people to have ill-will towards their fellow man. This is my criticism of the church, irresponsibility, arrogance, and hypocrisy. (hypocrisy meaning, being critical of others and not yourself). The good that comes from the churches ideology is not unique to the church, it is not necessary to be a christian to want to help others. Atheists are capable of being just a charitable and for near identical reasons.
As you say, you have never personally seen an atheist help. That doesn't mean there isn't evidence of it that you yourself can view if you look. Denying that atheists can be charitable simply because you have not personally witnessed it is an example of bigotry. You are ignoring solid evidence and logic based arguments in favor of preserving your prejudice, and using a disingenuous reason to back it up. I can tell by your words that you are smart enough to realize that seeing an atheist help personally is an unreasonable qualification for believing they never help at all. It also doesn't seem that hard of a concept to understand that placing good acts and bad acts on a scale and weighing them doesn't lend any credence to the ideology behind them. We call that sort of thinking an appeal to final consequences. The idea that we can believe something because good things happen if we do. Not only is it a false idea (bad things happen as well) but it does nothing to speak to the truth value of the belief.
Kaendar
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Salem witch trials? Your talkin about stuff from a long time ago. Name an instance in modern times where a legitimate church did any harm or taught anything hateful.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
If you really, really study the First Commandment, you'll find the hinge of it right there. Divide. Conquer. Hate the Other. Imo. cn