Why should I respect your beliefs?

Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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olylifter420 said:
You see, just as it bothers atheists about how people have religion, it bothers me that atheists just cant seem to accept people are different.
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I think you might be failing to realize the distinction.

Having a religion isn't what bothers athiests, it's everything else that comes along with having a religion for a lot of people, the hatred, the blatant bigotry, sexism, etc.

Atheists can accept people are different. But theists don't get special rights or get to have their beliefs shielded from criticism, especially if those beliefs are presented in a public forum, just because they believe it.

Why should I respect your beliefs, Oly? What about them is respectable?

olylifter420 said:
attacking peoples beliefs just because they are different then yours does not make you some holy saint...
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Again, you're mislabeling acceptable criticism for an attack, this is common among theists. If you feel threatened by something that's said about your beliefs, how strong could they be to begin with? Also, you can feel free not to post about them if you're not willing to accept criticism about them, it's all the same to everyone else.

The questions that make you uneasy about your beliefs are questions you should have asked yourself, and when somebody else reached the conclusion for you and pointed out the flaw in your logic, you don't stick with the same belief with flaws, you change the belief according to your current understanding of reality and how the rules of logic apply to it.

olylifter420 said:
I just think most of the atheists on here are huge bigots and they will continue to deny the fact that they are, when everyone else can see the flaws that make them insecure.
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What 'flaws' would those be? Point them out, name some names.

olylifter420 said:
who gives a fuck what you or I believe. if we differ, does that make one of us better or worse? No...
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Differing in opinion isn't what makes religious belief worse. Again, I feel you're not getting it and almost all of your perceived hatred towards the non theists on the boards is completely self induced. You're pissed because you don't understand our point of view, each of us has tried to explain it to you a handful of times dating a ways back, and you still hold onto your own preconceived idea of 'ATHEIST'.

When you get over yourself, and start acknowledging what is being said, not who is saying it, you might grow a little as a person and learn something. Till then, keep playing the victim.
 
Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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I was hanging out with my five year old brother yesterday.. I started thinking that my past beliefs led me to believe that since he didn't have a religion, he would be sent to hell. WTF?? Stupid ass beliefs. I have lost all respect for most religions... Fuck..all religions.
 
Padawanbater2

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I don't know enough about a lot of different religions, there might be some Native American or ancient Aztec religion that's buried in history that might be better, but even those would only be so much, whatever meaning someone might derive from them they could have derived in other ways, which, to me could really only mean one thing.. You find meaning within yourself.

But all of the main major religions, absolutely, I agree with you. Those that like to twist our words around would probably have you believe that means we hate believers or something, which isn't the case at all in the same kind of way that you don't have to be stupid to say something stupid...
 
olylifter420

olylifter420

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So atheists calling or saying your beliefs are "dangerous" is not rather pre judgemental?

Also, icould care less about striphe. I got better things to worry about then some internet mental case(straight out of the atheist book i learned on here) .

I respect your views and thoughts and have several atheist friends who are not douches and are accepting of otheres views and beliefs.

All this atheist hate is like those dumbass dance movies. Unnecessary.




Dislexicmidget2021 said:
I for one have never accused you of anything and I dont believe in God.I think you are



right,that it dosent matter what you or I believe in it dosent make anyone the better in the end.I understand that you and Strife have gone round for round in the forums and he has you pissed apparently,I mean just looking at youre posts here it is indicative of your current mood towards atheists is all im saying,your qualms seem to be with him,as they should be settled between you and him.But dont go calling all of us bigots,that simply is not the true.That is actualy a rather pre-judgemental statement on your part, of all who do not share the same belief about God as you do.
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olylifter420

olylifter420

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I have learned. That you just cant get through to people who have the preconceived notion that believers are irrational and lack intelligence.

I have nothing against you or anyone else on here. I bet we would be buds if we knew each other. I know what atheists are and i thank you for thr explanations given to me a handful of times, i just dont buy into the whole, "we dont hate theists, just their beliefs and personal views on life matters.

One question, so saying your beliefs are "dangerous" without even knowing the person, all you know is that are a believer is not bigotry?


What about my religous beliefs have i tried to "indoctrinate" you with?


Who said anything about being attacked or being a victim? There you, go, using your preconceived notion that since i am a believer, i automatically play the hurt card?



Padawanbater2 said:
I think you might be failing to realize the distinction.

Having a religion isn't what bothers athiests, it's everything else that comes along with having a religion for a lot of people, the hatred, the blatant bigotry, sexism, etc.

Atheists can accept people are different. But theists don't get special rights or get to have their beliefs shielded from criticism, especially if those beliefs are presented in a public forum, just because they believe it.

Why should I respect your beliefs, Oly? What about them is respectable?



Again, you're mislabeling acceptable criticism for an attack, this is common among theists. If you feel threatened by something that's said about your beliefs, how strong could they be to begin with? Also, you can feel free not to post about them if you're not willing to accept criticism about them, it's all the same to everyone else.

The questions that make you uneasy about your beliefs are questions you should have asked yourself, and when somebody else reached the conclusion for you and pointed out the flaw in your logic, you don't stick with the same belief with flaws, you change the belief according to your current understanding of reality and how the rules of logic apply to it.


What 'flaws' would those be? Point them out, name some names.



Differing in opinion isn't what makes religious belief worse. Again, I feel you're not getting it and almost all of your perceived hatred towards the non theists on the boards is completely self induced. You're pissed because you don't understand our point of view, each of us has tried to explain it to you a handful of times dating a ways back, and you still hold onto your own preconceived idea of 'ATHEIST'.

When you get over yourself, and start acknowledging what is being said, not who is saying it, you might grow a little as a person and learn something. Till then, keep playing the victim.
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olylifter420

olylifter420

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I think it is more of, what you made with your prior beliefs and how you interpreted them.


So since some atheists on here are always disagree with what i beleieve in, should lose all respect for all atheists?





Hepheastus420 said:
I was hanging out with my five year old brother yesterday.. I started thinking that my past beliefs led me to believe that since he didn't have a religion, he would be sent to hell. WTF?? Stupid ass beliefs. I have lost all respect for most religions... Fuck..all religions.
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Hepheastus420

Hepheastus420

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olylifter420 said:
I think it is more of, what you made with your prior beliefs and how you interpreted them.


So since some atheists on here are always disagree with what i beleieve in, should lose all respect for all atheists?
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You're right. I take back my dislike for all religions. I just dislike the book I followed.. And a few other religions I did research on.

No, you shouldn't lose respect for all atheists since all atheists don't have anything in common that stems from atheism itself.. Well besides the obvious disbelief in a god or deity.


And whats up oly? Hope you're smoking some killer bud :bigjoint:
 
2xcharming

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I was raised Christian. Twenty years ago my son was born ten weeks early. He survived but is severely handicapped. I lost faith with God. There are monsterous people whom roam this earth perfectly healthy, while innocent childern are sticken with horrible diseases. It's just not right. I believe God is an asshole and just doesn't give a shit about us if he even existed at all. One of my old boss' said to me one day that he went to a sporting dinner where door prizes where being drawn. He said "God" has helped him get the prize he wants for the past three years. That God was really looking out for him. I told him, "Maybe that's why God can't help my son, He's too busy helping you win door prizes." I don't respect people who say stupid shit like he did. I don't beleive in fairytales anymore. You can believe in anything you want just keep it to your fucking self.
 
Doer

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Yeah, you first convience untold generations of this Mafia boss God. Powerful and capricius. And completely a-moral. We are supposed to pile all the good we can think of and hope for into the Boss. But does the Boss have standards? No, the Boss is Aribitrary and Irrational. Oh, but it''s not the Boss, how could it be? No, it's your pitiful lack of understanding and hell on you. Suddenly mysterious, when it was supposed to be so Loving.

And then the major Dup. Well, then which one is better for religion? I know we have to have to have but we do get a choice, right? Freedom of Choice. That sounds right! Free will....the cruel joke,,,,,or is it? We do have a middle choice they want us to forget.

Just say no to all of it. We don't have to believe or dis-believe anything. That is freedom. That is our lives built upon the rock of reality. Only Now is real. Is the Diety?

Even that is based on pure assumption. Fear not and ignore the entire question or not. Just don't be fooled.
 
Shannon Alexander

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Doer said:
Yeah, you first convience untold generations of this Mafia boss God. Powerful and capricius. And completely a-moral. We are supposed to pile all the good we can think of and hope for into the Boss. But does the Boss have standards? No, the Boss is Aribitrary and Irrational. Oh, but it''s not the Boss, how could it be? No, it's your pitiful lack of understanding and hell on you. Suddenly mysterious, when it was supposed to be so Loving.

And then the major Dup. Well, then which one is better for religion? I know we have to have to have but we do get a choice, right? Freedom of Choice. That sounds right! Free will....the cruel joke,,,,,or is it? We do have a middle choice they want us to forget.

Just say no to all of it. We don't have to believe or dis-believe anything. That is freedom. That is our lives built upon the rock of reality. Only Now is real. Is the Diety?

Even that is based on pure assumption. Fear not and ignore the entire question or not. Just don't be fooled.
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It's funny tho that in the bible god says he likes people that are either for or against him and it's the middle of the road people that he can't stand... It's somewhere in revelations...
 
Doer

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That's right, how convienent it is, not for the Boss, but for the Wise Guys. We in the west are subject to the tyranny of opinion. You are either for or against, so your neighbors can keep the list. When they decide to be the mob they know where to go.

And of course, the boss has never been seen, has never said a word. We have to assmume there is Deity. So, there is no "God says" There is very little, "What Jesus said..." There are mind control stories, that's it. Not even a shred of evidence this is anything more than an ancient protection racket.

All the evidence, says it is.
 
cannabineer

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Well since it's my subjective opinion, "belief" is accurate imo.

Yes, I think abortions are awful. I cannot imagine anybody looking forward to one, and while I don't countenance the term "murder" for one, it is the taking of life.
At the same time, the alternative - forbidding or punitively restricting access to abortion - is also awful, and imo marginally more so. cn
 
Hepheastus420

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cannabineer said:
Well since it's my subjective opinion, "belief" is accurate imo.

Yes, I think abortions are awful. I cannot imagine anybody looking forward to one, and while I don't countenance the term "murder" for one, it is the taking of life.
At the same time, the alternative - forbidding or punitively restricting access to abortion - is also awful, and imo marginally more so. cn
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I believe your beliefs are the same as my beliefs on the subject. :)
 
Padawanbater2

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Hepheastus420 said:
Do you believe abortion is good or bad? Don't answer.. just making a point :).
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People have opinions about things, like abortion, but I think beliefs and opinions are different, in that a belief is something much more ingrained in ones own conviction, whereas opinions are subject to change more often.

I forget who said it (I can always remember bits and pieces of quotes, but hardly ever the person who said it..), possibly Harris or Hitchens, (paraphrasing..) beliefs are much more dangerous than opinions because they're harder to change.
 
Doer

Doer

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It can't be "Just" anything else, can it? So, forgive any joking here, but, I did come to realize that Santa Claus, does exist, but, isn't "real."

It's a fine distinction, because we can't really say what is Real, since we only experience modulated energy reflections. Our outer senses.
We turn that into "real." The Metaphor for the day.

So, Objective becomes, are there these modulations that everyone can intercept, or not? Science. And of course, we know there are MERs that
we don't know about, like Higgs. Without MRE Jesus can be said to exist, but, not "real."

There is nothing that rules out God, just as there is no evidence for. It takes faith or assumption to get to even Diety. Only one thing is un-equvical
and that is Truth of Self. Not the freak show we call the mind. Self.
 
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