Why the hatred for Autoflower strains?

MrStickyScissors

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Ok, so it seems the consensus is auto's simply are not as potent as, and dont yield as much as non-auto strains. Fair enough.

But one could then argue -- all strains that have thc level below 23% are bad, and all strains that yield less than 40g/plant are bad -- but we know this not to be true..
i would shoot my self if my indoor yielded 56 grams a plant
 

tropicalcannabispatient

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Indeed, your points are all valid, and if you are doing it just for "fun", yea, totally, auto's are just fine.

But I thought the intention of growing and harvesting marijuana is to take advantage of its medicinal purposes, no? Auto-flowers are part Ruderalis (sub)species, the thc and cbd cannabanoids that it produces are far less potent than that of sativa or indica. The only advantage Ruderalis provides is that it automatically transitions from vegetative to flower in a certain period of time, generally 3 weeks. So of the faster known auto strains go to flower in 2 weeks.

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If that's the only advantage, then why not just use regular seeds or feminized seeds and transition to flower in 2 weeks manually? In the end you will have the same sized plant, but the likelihood of a potent medicine is much greater. And you get a chance to experiment with a lot more variety.
Photos won't mature in 2 weeks, clones yes after they root u can flower them, but growing from seed even if u do 12/12 from seed they won't flower until mature enough always they mature around week 3-4.
 

prostheticninja

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Not a hater , more like a pissed off customer who lost money on the advertising.
Yeah, I hear that. I have grown Advanced's Auto Jack and it was absolute garbage. It grew to pitiful sizes; yielded me airy bud (under an hps, no less) that wasnt even worth trimming; and was the last one in my garden to finish. I've never tried anything else from Advanced Seeds, but if the rest of their offerings are like the Auto Jack (and the pictures lead me to believe they are) then I don't think I will be patronizing their seed bank again.
 

whitebb2727

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@mr sunshine says autos do best under full MH lighting
Word.

My first autos were the auto variety pack from Buddha. Not big Buddha. I grew under full blue t5ho.

It spilt my wig. I rolled a fatty and 4 of use put it down before it was done.

There are big autos. Great for guerilla growing in illegal state. Good for micro grows.

Now I will say some of the best pain relief was from autos.

Last with an auto they tend to be really good or really bad.
 

Corso312

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I hate autos yes ...

1. Yield is weak and can't clone them.

2. Why grow inferior weed on 24 hours light or 20-4 ... You use less power on photoperiod plants and get better smoke.

3. IMO - the only useful trait an auto has is an outdoor bumper crop on July and august.. Unfortunately they suck outdoors.. They are extremely prone to budrot.. I gave a theory on why ... The Sun is intense in june-august .. So intense that buds can't handle the light and heat well..its not natural for marijuana to bloom under the Summer Sun when humidity is high as fuck and its hitting 90's daytime and muggy as hell...

My advice to anyone thinking of growing autos is don't.. Its like comparing a Shitty cut of meat from Walmart to a fat Ribeye from a Steakhouse.
 

MrStickyScissors

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I hate autos yes ...

1. Yield is weak and can't clone them.

2. Why grow inferior weed on 24 hours light or 20-4 ... You use less power on photoperiod plants and get better smoke.

3. IMO - the only useful trait an auto has is an outdoor bumper crop on July and august.. Unfortunately they suck outdoors.. They are extremely prone to budrot.. I gave a theory on why ... The Sun is intense in june-august .. So intense that buds can't handle the light and heat well..its not natural for marijuana to bloom under the Summer Sun when humidity is high as fuck and its hitting 90's daytime and muggy as hell...

My advice to anyone thinking of growing autos is don't.. Its like comparing a Shitty cut of meat from Walmart to a fat Ribeye from a Steakhouse.
maybe they would be cool to throw a bunch out while your outdoor was vegging
 

Corso312

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I tried a couple times Mr Sticky , started in 3 gallon pots in April under T5's .. Put outside in may .. Everything looked great and smelled great ... Once the buds started to pack on weight and get frosty they got budrot... I figured it was the strain.. Next season tried again and same thing happened... This year I'm going to try shade cloth over them .




For me its just playin around until October when the real stuff finishes.
 

borbor

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based on my own very limited experience, plus the large amount of supporting evidence I've seen, dinafem has the best autos.
even then, I think the only really good applications are to chuck some seeds in your backyard if that's safe enough for you, or for someone to grow on the side in their veg tent when they're just barely getting started growing to have something a little quicker than the rest
 

prostheticninja

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Auto-flowers are part Ruderalis (sub)species, the thc and cbd cannabanoids that it produces are far less potent than that of sativa or indica.
I'm not an organic chemist, but I don't think that is right. For the cannabinoids to be of a different potency there would have to be something more or less added or taken away from that molecule. Taking an example from clandestine chemistry world, if one were to percipitate out a product with an HCl generator the product would have a different molecular weight (due to a different molecular composition) than lets say one that was precipitated by adding sulfuric acid drip by drip. Now, both of these compounds would have slightly different effects, but that is because they are different compounds.

So I ask you; where is the molecular difference between cannabis indica/sativas cannabinoids and the cannabinoids of ruderalis crosses? Surely if there was one that made the cannabinoids of ruderalis crosses "far less potent" than that of the photo variety there would be an extremely noticeable difference between the two, molecularly.

Again, I'm not an organic chemist or anything, just someone who had a thought that could be totally wrong.
 

GrowUrOwnDank

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Those are already MUCH different looking than the Autos of five years ago, I agree with you there. The Auto AK I grew probably finished at about that height, so I would say vast improvements have been made since I grew them.

Not a hater , more like a pissed off customer who lost money on the advertising. Those old autos were not worth growing to me, can't really say about the new stuff which is why I gave the time frame and strains. But ,I am open minded (crazy concept here I know) , since this thread started I have spent some time looking at some of the grows here, and they do look impressive, NOTHING like what I grew.

Definitely scratching my head looking at some 5-6 oz auto grows here, would not have thought that was possible. Soooo I guess my input is dated.
It's all good bru. lol. It's up to the individual what they want to grow. I don't hate on photo peeps cause they ain't growing autos. ;-) as a matter of fact. As soon as I get back to legal and start growing again I'm going with some Bodhi photos. Some really exotic stuff. Or at least that's what I hear. Peace and love and happy holidays.
 

see4

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I'm not an organic chemist, but I don't think that is right. For the cannabinoids to be of a different potency there would have to be something more or less added or taken away from that molecule. Taking an example from clandestine chemistry world, if one were to percipitate out a product with an HCl generator the product would have a different molecular weight (due to a different molecular composition) than lets say one that was precipitated by adding sulfuric acid drip by drip. Now, both of these compounds would have slightly different effects, but that is because they are different compounds.

So I ask you; where is the molecular difference between cannabis indica/sativas cannabinoids and the cannabinoids of ruderalis crosses? Surely if there was one that made the cannabinoids of ruderalis crosses "far less potent" than that of the photo variety there would be an extremely noticeable difference between the two, molecularly.

Again, I'm not an organic chemist or anything, just someone who had a thought that could be totally wrong.
I am no chemist either, I am basing my "findings" on my own experience with Ruderalis hybrid strains and have found them to be less "effective". Also, most outlets of information on the plant emphatically state that Ruderalis is less potent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_ruderalis
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Note the point where it states, "It has less THC in its resin compared to other Cannabis species." -- Interestingly though, it's the first I've seen that Ruderalis often contains higher CBD levels.

There does not have to be a vast difference in chemical makeup to vary in potency. Look at Octane 87 and Octane 93 fuel for example. Chemically speaking very similar, however vary greatly in potency. Or humans and chimpanzees, we vary greatly, but are separated by one minor change in our DNA. Or more appropriately, "normal" humans and Downs Syndrome humans, not to be humorous about that subject.
 

see4

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These are some free autos that came with my order. Just ran them while I vegged for scrog. Its OG kush auto from Dinafem. Smells like jet fuel and tangerines. Ill find out about the potency soon as im cutting this one down tonight. This changed my mind on autoflowering plants.View attachment 3561736 View attachment 3561738 View attachment 3561740
Nice lookin plants man. Hope they have a good smoke report.

Yea, getting freebies is always good. And if that's the case, why not toss 'em in the ground.

I think I was speaking more to those who run auto's as a crop, or rather, they prefer auto's over reg/fem.
 

outlier

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Never grown an auto before. I sorta like the idea of getting some bud early with my outdoor grows. A few sweet little auto entrées like @Weedjesus420 posted should keep me happy until final harvest :bigjoint:

Growing outside is a bit like an auto. You have limited time before the sun says ready or not son!
 

prostheticninja

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I am no chemist either, I am basing my "findings" on my own experience with Ruderalis hybrid strains and have found them to be less "effective". Also, most outlets of information on the plant emphatically state that Ruderalis is less potent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_ruderalis
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Note the point where it states, "It has less THC in its resin compared to other Cannabis species." -- Interestingly though, it's the first I've seen that Ruderalis often contains higher CBD levels.

There does not have to be a vast difference in chemical makeup to vary in potency. Look at Octane 87 and Octane 93 fuel for example. Chemically speaking very similar, however vary greatly in potency. Or humans and chimpanzees, we vary greatly, but are separated by one minor change in our DNA. Or more appropriately, "normal" humans and Downs Syndrome humans, not to be humorous about that subject.
Yes, what it says is that ruderalis produces less THC in it's resin; a fact which someone would be a fool to deny. But, your original post said that the THC it does produce is vastly less potent. That is what I take issue with. You are right about the octane and the other examples you provided, however there is still a difference between all of those things that leads to a different product or outcome. However, I do not think that in the case of ruderalis there is that difference that leads to less potent smoke. I just think that the plant doesn't produce enough of the potent stuff. Perhaps when cannabis becomes legal a little bit of research can be done to see exactly why ruderalis lags behind so much.
 

a senile fungus

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I tasted a few autos and I feel.that they have a spicy commonality, must be the ruderalis.

The last auto I grew was dutch passion's white widow, tiny plant, mediocre buds. I did get high though, but that's not saying much.

I have a handful of auto seeds currently, alien OG x Triangle kush auto. I'm gonna throw them in my veg room. My.veg room won't be getting full for a few months so I figure might as well get a crop out of the autos while I'm waiting on my photos.

I don't think autos are weak, but certainly not as strong as photos. In my experience, they have a certain spicy note to them that is "Rudy".
 
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