Wiliam's Wonder and Spoetnik #1 250W

Hi Everyone,

I am implementing a different light cycle that was proposed on the weed scene website. This is not the typical 18/6 or 24 hour light cycle..not even 16/8.

The new light cycle using for VEG state is 12/5.5/1/5.5. That's 12 hrs light, 5.5 hrs dark, 1 hr light, 5.5 hrs dark. This is not meant to increased the rate of growth, but to create a stronger plant, thus producing better buds.

Anyway here is my setup:

[COLOR=#67B045 !important]Grow tent[/COLOR] roughly 2.5' x 2.5' and 5.5' in height. The tent is from Home box and looks similar to

http://www.homebox.net/dhtml/product_family_overview.php


I will NOT use nutrients. Well, not like your typical BioBizz or anything like that. I am trying something a bit different using Seagull poop for veg and Bat poop for Flowering.

Veg: Plagron - Peru Guano
Flower: Plagron Bat Guano NPK - 3-15-4

I have also started with ATAMI Rootbastic (usually I use BioBizz Root Juice). The Rootbastic was given to me by the guy at the shop and he told me to try it out, so that is what I am doing.

Plants

There are two plants, William's Wonder (SSSC original M31) and Spoetnik #1 (Paradise Seeds). I have not grown either of these, so it should be interesting.

Lights

I will use the MH for veg this time and HPS for flowering. The first time I used the MH light for growth/veg state + Flower and it went poo. Noob me got the lights mixed up! The second round worked and now am gonna veg until about New Years only because I don't want it to flower while I am away for xmas. I understand that WW can get quite stinky and I need to be around to mitigate the smell or I could be screwed.

Germinating

I just planted them in soil. The Spoetnik #1 seed cracked just a few hrs before the WW and it's growing at a mad pace. Popped about 3 days ago. The root is about 6 inches long. The WW is a different story. Kind of slow, but the temp did drop a few degrees since and maybe it's the temp that caused it to slow down. Anyway, both are just under lights today and will keep monitoring them.

I planted them on Monday(today). They seem to be looking fine. I'll try to upload pics, but will keep some sort of journal to let people know if this works or not.

Grow Plan

Like I said, I am gonna be vegging them until the first week of Jan when I return from my holidays and look forward to harvesting sometime in the in the 7-10 week area (End of Feb/mid March). I do plan on only topping to see how far I can take this.

Note: You can ask questions or make comments in this post.

steveat said:

I am implementing a different light cycle. . .

The new light cycle... for VEG state is 12/5.5/1/5.5. That's 12 hrs light, 5.5 hrs dark, 1 hr light, 5.5 hrs dark. This is not meant to increased the rate of growth, but to create a stronger plant, thus producing better buds.

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That's interesting. Why do you think this will produce stronger plants?

I've actually been using a similar light cycle myself for a while. My goal isn't to produce stronger plants, or even to alter their structure. The goal is actually to minimize plant growth, while maintaining vegetative phase and keeping the plants healthy, mostly for mother plants. I think this type of lighting is fairly routine in non-cannabis horticulture, for what its worth. If I were interested in fastest vegging/max growth, I'd run 20-4, or even 24-0.

I will NOT use nutrients. Well, not like your typical BioBizz or anything like that. I am trying something a bit different using Seagull poop for veg and Bat poop for Flowering.

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I think that sort of organic regimen is pretty time-proven. My only suggestion is that depending on your base soil, you may want/need to supplement some magnesium in there, especially into flowering. Maybe that Rootblastic stuff has Mg in there . . .don't really know.

I will use the MH for veg this time and HPS for flowering. The first time I used the MH light for growth/veg state + Flower and it went poo. Noob me got the lights mixed up!

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Its not optimal, but you can use MH for flowering if you like, and by itself it shouldn't "ruin" a grow. You'd just expect a little bit less yield and stretchier plants compared to HPS. Some people (including famed breeder DJ Short) actually swear by MH during flowering, claiming it increases terpene content in the finished buds.

The second round worked and now am gonna veg until about New Years only because I don't want it to flower while I am away for xmas. I understand that WW can get quite stinky and I need to be around to mitigate the smell or I could be screwed.

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On the first thing, two full months of veg is a lot, but I think the light regimen you specify will help moderate overall plant size. In terms of smell, I think that was covered in the WiWo thread. FWIW, I'm not really sure what the genetic pedigree of the "Spoetnik" is, but to me that name implies AK-47 genetics, and that particular line is also pretty stinky.

Like I said, I am gonna be vegging them until the first week of Jan when I return from my holidays and look forward to harvesting sometime in the in the 7-10 week area (End of Feb/mid March). I do plan on only topping to see how far I can take this.
Note: You can ask questions or make comments in this post.

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As friendly suggestion, in my experience, WiWo is done at about day 65 of 12-12 give or take 1-2 days, so that's 9-10 weeks with a conventional flowering regimen. With so much veg time, sure you might as well top. Unless you're training to create a flat canopy, I think you'll probably have some benefit trimming off the lowest branches too.

Jogro said:

That's interesting. Why do you think this will produce stronger plants?

I've actually been using a similar light cycle myself for a while. My goal isn't to produce stronger plants, or even to alter their structure. The goal is actually to minimize plant growth, while maintaining vegetative phase and keeping the plants healthy, mostly for mother plants. I think this type of lighting is fairly routine in non-cannabis horticulture, for what its worth. If I were interested in fastest vegging/max growth, I'd run 20-4, or even 24-0.

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The ultimate goal is to reduce energy consumption really. Also there I believe that there comes a point of diminishing returns on lighting. I believe the most efficient grows use less wattage per square ft. This method just keeps the plants in a vegetative state with less light which results in a more efficient grow. At the equator, sativas never gets more than 12 hours of light outdoors. It's not such a radical lighting schedule when considering that fact. Here's an article on it:


http://www.cannabisdynamics.com/121-lighting-for-optimum-growth-and-savings/

Also check this out:

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Jogro said:

I think that sort of organic regimen is pretty time-proven. My only suggestion is that depending on your base soil, you may want/need to supplement some magnesium in there, especially into flowering. Maybe that Rootblastic stuff has Mg in there . . .don't really know.

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I just looked at the bottle. It has loads of stuff.

Fosfor P2O5
Potassium Oxide K2O
Calcium Oxide CaO
Natrium Oxide (WTF is natrium? I thought Na was sodium) Na2O
Magnesium Oxide MgO
Iron Fe
Manganese Mn
Zinc Zn
Boron B

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Jogro said:

Its not optimal, but you can use MH for flowering if you like, and by itself it shouldn't "ruin" a grow. You'd just expect a little bit less yield and stretchier plants compared to HPS. Some people (including famed breeder DJ Short) actually swear by MH during flowering, claiming it increases terpene content in the finished buds.

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I do MH in the veg to make it bushier and shorter. I find that if I do the whole grow in HPS, there is way too much stretch and the internodes get like 4-8 inches in between, even when I keep the light very close to the plant.

Jogro said:

On the first thing, two full months of veg is a lot, but I think the light regiment you specify will help moderate overall plant size. In terms of smell, I think that was covered in the WiWo thread. FWIW, I'm not really sure what the genetic pedigree of the "Spoetnik" is, but to me that name implies AK-47 genetics, and that particular line is also pretty stinky.

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Yeah, I know vegging for that long also can be a problem. I chose indicas for the height thing and I am using MH to make it bushier, so I can do some LST at the same time as topping. I have the room because it's only two plants. Also, I think, yes, these plants are going to smell, but it's better than 4 or 6 plants that stink. Two stinky plants are manageable. Plus I have a carbon filter and planning to put a second in...also have ONA block inside and outside all doors...plus ONA Breeze AND a desktop carbon filter. Oh..and getting my friend to pick me up a box of bounce for safe keeping.

I have no idea what the genetics are of both strains actually. I tried looking up Spoetnik #1, but I get nothing. Do not confuse this with Sputnik 2.0 (completely different strain and even breeder). As for WW...I don't know...some people say it's an Afghan landrace that was found in a high up spot in the mountains and isolated and others say it is a cross of Skunk #1 and an unknown Indica..which IMO...I think the unknown indica could be the original Northern Lights #1 .

Jogro said:

As friendly suggestion, in my experience, WiWo is done at about day 65 of 12-12 give or take 1-2 days, so that's 9-10 weeks with a conventional flowering regimen. With so much veg time, sure you might as well top. Unless you're training to create a flat canopy, I think you'll probably have some benefit trimming off the lowest branches too.

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I expect to take it to between 55-70. It just depends. I might harvest around day 60 as I prefer a higher THC content, but every plant is different.

Here are my plants:

The first plant with the leaves is the Spoetnik #1. The second plant with the bean still on it's head is the William's Wonder.
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They are now under lights and will update on a weekly basis.

Here are more details on the nutrients:

This bottle is the Rootbastic:




YOu will be able to see the ingredients there.

This bottle is the Bloombastic which of course is to be used for when flowering begins.




The guano photos are here:




The Seeds,

I wanted to mention that the Spoetnik #1 is feminised and the William's Wonder is not. I guess I am taking the chance that the plant is male. Maybe I should pop a few more in just to make sure, but I just didn't want to waste seeds. IF I do get a male, I won't kill it. I want to make as much seeds as possible of WW, but will use a paint brush to pollenate only a few buds.

So I want to wish you luck on this, but you're mixing organic and inorganic growing. You're gonna get better results going one or the other. I recommend organic as it's just straight up easier to not fuck up, but you're also probably at a point where you need to get going now. Chemicals are good too, but most stuff is snake oil. Check out dynagrow one part solutions. The bloombastic needs Nitrogen.

Hey OGE

I get where you are coming from and i might not use the Bloombastic. It does have Nitrogen, but there should be more than enough nutrients from the bat guano. \i don't ant to burn the plant, so might just stick with the guano. As for the Rootbastiic, I only use it for the first week to get the roots to grow out a bit quicker. Other than that, I have since stopped and will be using the Seagull guano in another 2 weeks time. I want to wait until the plant gets big enough for me to do that.

I still have photos of my plants from week 1 and week 2. The week ends every Sunday. My next post will show some photos. I have since added another plant (cutting) to the group. The plant is called Wappa. I heard it was ok, so I am deciding to grow it.

Week 1:

Below you will see photos of 2 plants from the first week.

Spoetnik #1






Williams Wonder:




Well, after the first week, there is not much to look at. All I can say is that both are gorwing at roughly the same pace, but the leaves are much bigger and fatter on the Spoetnik #1 compared to Williams Wonder. WW kind of reminds me of the strain wonder woman...the wondr must have come from williams wonder because the short fat leaves looks like my wonder woman grow.

After the first week, I have stopped using Rootbastic and will just use plain water until the plants are 10-12 inches in height. if I start adding Guano now, the plants would probably burn from the nutes.

Hey everyone,

I am just catching up an updating my grow journal. Yesterday was the end of week 2 and I wanted to get this up before i put it off too long. I am such a procrastinator.

I have added a third plant, but may or may not flower this one at the same time as the others. I want to yild as much as possible and my tent...while I can fit 4 pots..i find it less effective if I jam in all 4 plants and get better results growing 1 or two plants. i just find that after a plant gets to be a certain size, it starts to affect the other plants with regard to light and whatnot.

Here is a photo of all 3 plants. the third one being WAPPA.




William's Wonder





Spoetnik #1





Wappa






As you can tell, the William's Wonder is a bit on the lanky side, but it is starting to bush out. I am very eager to see how this plant grows out. The Spoetnik on the other hand looks like a pro. I mean fat longer leaves and just green as hell. It looks like it could be the winner out of all the plants, but we don't know until the plants are finished flowering.

Any spelling erros you can blame on the netbook i am typing this on. what a waste of money. keyboards are so fricken small and I don't even have fat fingers. Not to mention slow as hell.

Anyway...I also picked up a cutting called Wappa. Apparently it's a very short indica that usually doesn't grow much bigger than twice its height from when you start flower as opposed to others that grow more than 3x +.

steveat said:

As for WW...I don't know...some people say it's an Afghan landrace that was found in a high up spot in the mountains and isolated and others say it is a cross of Skunk #1 and an unknown Indica..which IMO...I think the unknown indica could be the original Northern Lights #1 .

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Williams Wonder goes back to the 1970s, and therefore I don't think its even historically possible that its a cross between NL (which originated later) and Skunk #1. Its certainly unlike the other Skunk/NL crosses that are out there both in terms of both scent/flavor and plant structure.

I've gone over the genetic lineage in my report on same, but as you say I think the best pedigree is that WiWo is simply a pure Afghan cultivar that was later acclimated to growth in the Pacific Northwest. Note that this line was grown in the PNW for years before SSSC put it into commercial sale.

I expect to take it to between 55-70. It just depends. I might harvest around day 60 as I prefer a higher THC content, but every plant is different.

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I've now grown this at least half a dozen separate times, from multiple beans and clones of same. In my experience, the plant is typically ready from day 63-69. Sight unseen, 67 days is probably a safe bet for almost every plant, though some of them you may be able to get away with a few days earlier.

Not only are you not probably not going to see increased potency harvesting early, in my opinion there is a high likelihood you'll see decreased potency. Contrary to the popular internet mythology, I don't think its ever been proven that harvesting indica plants early will reduce the ratio of CBD to THC, and in fact, I know of at least some evidence to the contrary (that younger flowering do make CBD). IE, you can't turn an "indica" into a "sativa" just by chopping it sooner. However, it has been shown that harvesting early reduces overall cannabinoid content, so you definitely can turn a stronger plant into a weaker one by chopping two weeks too early!

Also, I think that one of the things that makes this particular line interesting is its pure indica high CBD, high THCV cannabinoid profile, which is what gives it the "one hit"/couchlock potency and medical value. So again, in my opinion, it would be a mistake to try and harvest this one early in an attempt to turn this into something its not. IE, give this one a chance to do what its supposed to do. If you don't like the pure indica effect (and some don't), then just grow something else.

steveat said:

Anyway...I also picked up a cutting called Wappa. Apparently it's a very short indica that usually doesn't grow much bigger than twice its height from when you start flower as opposed to others that grow more than 3x +.

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One defining characteristic of pure indica plants is that they typically only double in height throughout flowering.

The Williams Wonder is a pure indica, and like the others, I think you'll find that it barely doubles in overall height during flowering.

Week III

Yep, I know...I am late for my posts. I need to keep this going on a regular basis and not like every 2 or 3 weeks. At least you get to see plants grow fast all at once..haha

Here is a photo of all 3 plants.



The first plant is Spoetnik #1. It's turning out very well and really green. It looks like the most robust plant out of the bunch. I took a load of photos and not all of them look good. I am just practicing and trying out all the features from my cheapo cam. These little things have more features than you think.




William's Wonder is the second plant. It's still a bit lankier than I expected it to be. At least most of the light hits the plant. The leaves are small and chubby. I would say that they are fat indica leaves. I have a strange feeling that this is a male plant. Maybe I should have planted more ceeds. If this turns out to be a make, I will keep it in a separate area to try to make some ceeds int he future.



Lastly was a cutting I got after the first week of growth for WW and Spoetnik. It seems like a good plant, so I bought it. The leaves are long and fat. Long like Sativa, but fatter..not quite as fat as traditional indica though.



You will notice some spots on the leaves. I thought, initially that this was some sort of deficiency, but it turns out that the lamp was too close to the leaves and they started to dry out. Since I moved the lamp up about 2-4 inches, it has fixed the issue and I got some damn healthy plants.

Ok, for week IV (Four)

Here we go with the group shot.



The Williams Wonder still looks lanky to me and I can't shake the feeling that this is in fact a male. i need to throw a few more ceeds and start popping them just in case.



The next plant is the Wappa. It took about a week for the Wappa to settle in and has since grown strong. Very green now and the leaf tips are nice and green as well.




The Last one is Spoetnik #1. It seems to be bushing out as opposed to growing up. I started to top it. Actually, I started to top all the plants. I am gonna veg for another 1.5 months because I just cant afford to flower it at the same time as I leave for xmas vacay. I just don't want to come home to police tape just in case people get nosey.

Week V (5) Veg. I still haven't used nutes yet. When I say Nutes, I mean Guano for veg state. Not sure if I will, but if I do, it will be within the next 2-3 weeks. of veg.

Group Photo!




First one here is William's Wonder. The fan leaves are pretty big, but the rest of the plant is either lanky or tiny. I am not sure yet, but I have the feeling that this is a male plant as I have mentioned a few times before.





The second plant is the Wappa. Very big leaves for an indica. It's got a strong veg scent, but it's not overbearing.



The last plant, just as healthy as the rest is called Spoetnik #1. Great plant. I feel that this one will give me a huge haul. I swear, this morning, I topped it AT LEAST 6 times. I started topping around the 3rd week, but it is becoming more and more of a chore than anything. I am gonna have to drill some holes or get some weights. Major LST is gonna happen over the next month if I am to veg until 2nd week of Jan.



NOTE: I am sprouting some new William's Wonder just in case this one in my grow turns out to be male. I didn't buy the feminized pack. I also threw in 1 ICED Grapefruit for shits and giggles. I think I will veg it until March and pop it in when the other plants are done.

I had quite a few issues with my grow which is why I haven't been updating this journal, but I was insistent on finishing this grow, even after the massive amounts of mistakes that I made.

The original Williams Wonder (3 of them) that I was growing had died because I didn't realize how weak the plant was. FYI people. For those that haven't grown a 100% Indica before...DON'T LST, DO NOT Super Crop and definitely DON'T use Guano. The Guano fried 3 of the plants and the Wappa plant.

I lost 4 plants in total. I think 2 of them were male anyway. I planted another Williams Wonder and kept the grow simple. It's about a week or so from harvest. I will post photos up soon.

I have to say, not matter what I threw at Spoetnik #1, it survived. I used way too much Guano..had to rinse the soil a bit, but it still was standing.

The Iced Grapefruit died as well, but I am growing it in my next grow, so no big deal.

Photos of the Spoetnik #1



I will add the WW photos soon.

Update on the lights. I upgraded my ballast and now use 400W HPS for flower.

I had quite a few issues with my grow which is why I haven't been updating this journal, but I was insistent on finishing this grow, even after the massive amounts of mistakes that I made.

The original Williams Wonder (3 of them) that I was growing had died because I didn't realize how weak the plant was. FYI people. For those that haven't grown a 100% Indica before...DON'T LST, DO NOT Super Crop and definitely DON'T use Guano. The Guano fried 3 of the plants and the Wappa plant.

I lost 4 plants in total. I think 2 of them were male anyway. I planted another Williams Wonder and kept the grow simple. It's about a week or so from harvest. I will post photos up soon.

I have to say, not matter what I threw at Spoetnik #1, it survived. I used way too much Guano..had to rinse the soil a bit, but it still was standing.

The Iced Grapefruit died as well, but I am growing it in my next grow, so no big deal.

Photos of the Spoetnik #1 (Day 63) - It could go another week or so, but this plant took up like 80% of my tent and it had to go.

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I will add the WW photos soon.

Update on the lights. I upgraded my ballast and now use 400W HPS for flower.

Ok Next up is the Williams Wonder. It's pure Indica and is known for its HUGE buds. This plant was on 12/12 the entire time. Because of all the problems I had before, I had to flip early, so I decided to add this plant into the flower cycle BEFORE it was ready and it would eventually flower when it gets to its appropriate size.

Here are some photos. i will try to add more later. I thought I took a photo of the entire plant, but I guess I didn't. I just got the buds showing on this cam memory stick.

Anyway, I tried to use a pop can to show just how large they are. It's a very small plant. I didn't grow it out like I did the Spoetnik. The Spoetnik is actually 4 feet high, but I LST'd the thing all to hell and it was only half the size as you can tell from the photos in the previous post.

Argh...

Damn USB internet was slow and couldn't upload all the photos, so I am doing it in a new post. Didn't mean to overlap like this.

Ok more Spoetnik photos. This is after the harvest:

Try to guess how many ounces I picked. Keep in mind I was out of stuff since Jan, so I picked on this plant and must have smoked 3 ounces on top of what you see here. I am not joking. The yield from this plant is pretty damn good.

Also notice the bowl of shake and also small buds. there is AT LEAST an ounce of normal stuff in there on top of scraps



Now for the Williams Wonder photos. It's a small plant, but very good smoke. 67 days. It could have gone further, but it's time for more plants.

Argh...

Damn USB internet was slow and couldn't upload all the photos, so I am doing it in a new post. Didn't mean to overlap like this.

Ok more Spoetnik photos. This is after the harvest:

Try to guess how many ounces I picked. Keep in mind I was out of stuff since Jan, so I picked on this plant and must have smoked 3 ounces on top of what you see here. I am not joking. The yield from this plant is pretty damn good.

Also notice the bowl of shake and also small buds. there is AT LEAST an ounce of normal stuff in there on top of scraps

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Now for the Williams Wonder photos. It's a small plant, but very good smoke. 67 days. It could have gone further, but it's time for more plants.

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