will this work?

mntman36

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Yah, 18 - 24 hrs seems to be same, my bro does 18 hr because he likes the little ladys to sleep alittle, I do 24hr and to be completely honest, not much difference between the two grows, do have to say that adding the humidifier gave my grow alot plusher and fuller lookin ladys at the end of 4 weeks than his did, didnt realize how that extra humidity realy helped in veg room...
 

mntman36

Member
best to try and run an even 75 degrees or as close to that as can, then try to never let drop more than 15 degrees at night or lights off.....
 

mntman36

Member
they will be fine to change lighting, my opinion is that you will see your stems slow down in growth and your foilage and roots will start to blow your mine..............lol
 

mntman36

Member
And you probly already know but most important thing to learn about is your nutrients, high nitro in veg, then switch to high phos, in flower... and there are many opinions on this matter so watch out for miss led directions, you can cause many problems with nutrient feeding and dont want to go there, but then again if you learn them, you can get amazing results...........
 

mntman36

Member
Meee Toooo, matter of fact had alot of soil problems from 90 degree temps during summer season, wont happen again...lol
 

princesshigh

Active Member
I havent given any of my plants anything but water. I planted them in black gold soil and was planning to feed them miracle grow with the next watering. Hows that sound mountain man? lol. Like I said im clueless, just love the idea of not spending $$$$ on medicine.
 

mntman36

Member
Do Not Use MIRACLE GROW AT ALL, very toxic to lungs and plant,,,,,lol,,,, I would just save alittle money in next couple weeks, then go to local hydo store and buy two pints of food to start....(1 PINT EARTH JUICE GROW / 1 PINT EARTH JUICE BLOOM) very simple to use and not to hot to burn, always use alittle less than recomended and very easy and very NATURAL,,,,,lol,,,,better taste

If you find you have anather 9 bucks get a bag of jamaca blend BAT Guano for flow cycle, and at 2 weeks into 12/12 lighting add 1 tbl spoon of molasis, then at 6 weeks add again,,,,yummmy

Note top growers reccomend a (Feed,Feed,Water) cycle for soil, I recomend you do a (Feed,Water) cycle til get to know better....
 

DaBong

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As far as the humidifier. Do you run that all night and directly on your plants? What about mildew?
I would get a relative humidity meter and get a reading in your grow area before adding a humidifier. My plants are in the process of recovering from a moisture problem from me watering a little too much and having a humidifier in the room constantly. I think that was causing a few of my plants to droop a little.

I'm not positive so someone correct me if I am wrong, but the RH level should stay around 50% ?
 

mntman36

Member
No Mildew for me, I dont have a night or day timing for humidifier, new to me as well, what I do is when im around the house doing things I turn it off for awhile, I let humidity drop down to about 50% and maybe alittle more to see my walls have totaly flashed dryed with the amount of air moving through there, my room has massive vento so going to be different to you, One of my main concerns when starting my grow a few yrs ago was to supply plenty of fresh air to the girls, so I went extra mile for that,,,, its all from rebuilt it center or home depot sale items, but all my fellow growers love it,,,,,,,,lol
 

mntman36

Member
Yes you will have problems if overwater during use of humidity for sure, again very fine line to walk here, the key to learn is to dry soil out as fast as possible by keeping RH in veg room at 50%-70% and 40%-60% in flower room, Ventilation is really a big part of this procces for sure.........

I personaly also would put small desk fan with weak air movement directly aimed at my dirt to help surface drying, And watch out for GNATS, or GNAT LARVAE, not good at all,
 

IAm5toned

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yep, sudden swings, they dont like... because sudden temp swings like that simply dont happen in nature, the plant has no defense against it.
im still thinking that if your droopy, its because of a lack of h2o... when growing any strain for the first time, finding out that strains particular watering needs is always a headache.... and then, just to complicate things, each strain can have several phenotypes. a phenotype is like this- say you got a big happy family with a dozen brothers and sisters. lets call your family, a strain. now its obvious all your siblings will share the same DNA, but, they can be just as alike OR unalike to each other as night and day. call your siblings, phenotypes. different phenotypes within the same strain require different feeding/lighting/watering schedules, just like your bros and sis's have different appetites, likes, and dislikes.
it can take several runs of the same strain to dial it in properly.

but dont panic, the learning curve is not as steep as it seems.

instead of following others written instructions, it is best to experiment and find out what works best for yourself, than rather to sit by the comp and wait for advice that may, or may not be correct at all in the first place.

my advice, if the plant is drooping, then add water! check back in a few hours and look for signs of improvement or further drooping... if the plant loooks better, than your on the right track! if it looks worse, well, sit back, do a lil research, and try a dif approach.

i would stick w/ the hps... a cfl wont shock them, but an HPS will give much better yields, as far as amount of bud harvested.
its pretty simple physics, tho there are some that will argue for weeks on end about how cfl's can compete w/ hid lamps.
its just simply not true.
here's why-
like i said, basic basic elementary physics.... the law of conservation of energy!
a cfl uses 43w (typical 100w replacement lamp) to create x amount of lumens.
your hps uses 1000w to create x amount of lumens.

there is simply more energy available to the plant from an HPS lamp than a cfl.

not that cfl's are bad, by any means there not. i use them myself, as supplemental lighting for some of my grow cabinets.

but there's no viable reason to toss an HID system for a CFL unless the light bill or heat, becomes to much to deal with.
 

Ronjohn7779

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HPS or MH can be used interchangeably for vegging or fruiting. It's just that MH works better for vegging since it has more blue and HPS is better for fruiting since it has more reds/yellows and higher lumen output. Both though can be used for either purpose without any harm. I hear (but don't know if it's true) that vegging under an HPS light will cause slightly more stretching during vegging and that MH used to fruit with will result in slightly more leafy/fluffy buds and potentially a slightly lower yield. Bottom line most people would tell you if you could only afford to buy 1 light then buy an HPS (mostly due to the higher lumen output and higher potential yields during fruiting).

80-85 degrees is slightly higher than ideal but totally in the range of getting normal vegetative growth. Ideally you'd like to get 70-75 degrees. Just make sure your room doesn't go over 90 degrees and I'm sure you'll be fine.

Droopiness can either be caused by your plants wilting (i.e. being too close to the light), over watering, or under water, PH problems, ect. It would be easier to tell the problem with a picture. In any case, if your top canopy is too warm for your hand then it's too warm for your plants and you should raise the lights up a bit. Your top canopy should be the same radiant temperature as the reset of your room (i.e. 80-85 degrees). Once again ideally it should be in the 70-75 range.
 

angrygranola

Active Member
if you're using straight tap water that could be a problem. let it sit for a couple of days before feeding it to your plants. If you're in a rainey part of Washington try leaving a bucket out to catch rainwater. that's what i feed mine. and get a ph kit! you could totally acidify your plants and not know it. I think the plants crave stability more than anything. their probably cool with a range of ph6-7 as long as whatever it is it's consitant.
 

justlearning73

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Hey Princess try checking out these links. I think they will help you:
https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/277820-noob-advice.html
https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/373397-test-progress-miracle-grow-soil.html
https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/150004-plant-moisture-stress-symptoms-solutions.html

By the way if you over water your plants they will wilt just like if you are not watering them enough. I understand you are new to growing pot, but have you not grown any house plants? If you have you have and are good at it you will do fine with your med grow. You just need to use common sense. Things to avoid are statements like "miricle grow will fry your lungs and your plants." There have been numerouse grows using MG and no adverse effects. Check out the links i provided.

Also do you have any pics of your grow? You have people telling you what to do and we have not even seen your plants. I am suprised nobody has asked you this already. I am sure you will be do fine. Just take a deep breath and start reading and learning. Our weed is a very hardy plant and can and does survive many many noobs.
 

IAm5toned

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i used miracle grow products for years.... lmao.

never had a problem besides the time released soils can be tricky to use into late flower, for ph reasons.

now i just make my own... cheaper, and better ;)
 

mntman36

Member
I dont know but seems to me for closet grows HPS & MH just seem to be to hot for vegging use, seems to me that light has to be so far up above plants that at young age they stretch and as they get older they are scawny not plush, this has been vewed by my eyes several times over, everyone I know starts out with all the money in lighting and then coming to me later to switch over to a double room veg and flower room grow, and to convert veg room to Flos,

I have seen many seedling simply lay over because they grew to fast because lights were to high and stems were way to weak....

Again this is just my opinion and in the opinion of many top growers as well, Personal level is I use these same exact grow room settups with alittle extra kick and I can assure you that I can yeild as much as any 1 plant strain done in all ather complicated growing methods, O yah we got it all out here, the hydro guys, the coco guys, the deep water guys, you name it we got it, but I will say that they can generaly beat my harvest by about 2 weeks!!!!!
 
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