Winterizing bho
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WarMachine
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Since it's kinda hard for me to get 190 Everclear. Is it better for me to use 151 Everclear, 99% ISO, or say cancel the winterization?
vacpurge
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why rely on the everclear? you dont have to 100% purge it... but with that being said, I wouldnt half ass and only 80% purge it. take the extra 5 mins and purge as much butane as you can before adding the everclear.. dont be lazy, it takes 3 extra minutes! I just set my dish onto a dish of hot water for the intial purge, it cools the water like crazy, so once its done, I swap it onto another dish of fresh hot water for 10 more mins... by that time its good enough to add the everclear.
def dont cancel the winterization. the smoothness involved with winterizing should be preached everywhere. your lungs will thank you in the long run.
an important step that I over looked the first few times was doing your filtering IN the freezer.. it takes 10-15 mins to drain, and half way through your solution will have warmed up and the plant waxes re dissolved into the mix.. so, filter it ALL in the freezer and close the door. dont over fill filter, and dont agitate or force it to drain, or dont squeeze it when youre done.
def dont cancel the winterization. the smoothness involved with winterizing should be preached everywhere. your lungs will thank you in the long run.
an important step that I over looked the first few times was doing your filtering IN the freezer.. it takes 10-15 mins to drain, and half way through your solution will have warmed up and the plant waxes re dissolved into the mix.. so, filter it ALL in the freezer and close the door. dont over fill filter, and dont agitate or force it to drain, or dont squeeze it when youre done.
colonuggs
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Im going to use 192 proof Polmos Spirytus Rektyfikowany.....Vodka
My thought...its 2 % more than everclear 96% alcohol
vacpurge
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haha nice. sounds like youll def make some nice stuff.
just pay extra attention on the purge.... that everclear is hard stuff to purge. 6 hours on the griddle + fan at 110F heat still doesnt do it for me... I need to throw it in the vac chamber for a few hours, then let it sit out for a day or 2 then id rate it 100%... I still smoke it while waiting though after it comes out of the vacuum. and 1 test hoot before the vacuum.
post some pics!
just pay extra attention on the purge.... that everclear is hard stuff to purge. 6 hours on the griddle + fan at 110F heat still doesnt do it for me... I need to throw it in the vac chamber for a few hours, then let it sit out for a day or 2 then id rate it 100%... I still smoke it while waiting though after it comes out of the vacuum. and 1 test hoot before the vacuum.
post some pics!
Guzias1
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fits the thread:
i sprayed my columns of butane, then let the butane evap with 80F weather, along with constant fan.. i wait till i get about a 70F-75F sludge of oil,
I then ad my room temp everclear to sludge, i think i am working with about 2-3 ounces of oil, so i put in 8 oz of everclear..
not all dissolved easily, so i place my pyrex in to a hot water batch till solvent reached about 85F.
stirred and dissolved everything, and to keep things cold, i added a couple more oz of frozen everlcear , then i placed into freezer.
24 hrs later
notice the light colored waxes in first pic.
compared to this 2nd pic..
i sprayed my columns of butane, then let the butane evap with 80F weather, along with constant fan.. i wait till i get about a 70F-75F sludge of oil,
I then ad my room temp everclear to sludge, i think i am working with about 2-3 ounces of oil, so i put in 8 oz of everclear..
not all dissolved easily, so i place my pyrex in to a hot water batch till solvent reached about 85F.
stirred and dissolved everything, and to keep things cold, i added a couple more oz of frozen everlcear , then i placed into freezer.
24 hrs later
notice the light colored waxes in first pic.
compared to this 2nd pic..
vacpurge
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weird... thats like the same set up I just did this morning, except a little bit bigger scale! thats cool, 2-3 ozs.. damnnn
how come you let the butane evap at weather temp, and dont give it a boost by putting your dish onto something warm... water, sand, whatever?
do you let your filter sit in he freezer and freeze too? did you filter that all in 1 pour?? I was told not to fill the filter over the half way point.
seems like my pyrex dish looked WAY colder.. mine was white with frost and hard to handle, I think that was 24 hours... is there really a difference between leaving it in the freezer for 12 hours, and for 48 hours?? cold is cold right? seems that after 12 hours or so it hits its peak (low point) for temps.
how come you let the butane evap at weather temp, and dont give it a boost by putting your dish onto something warm... water, sand, whatever?
do you let your filter sit in he freezer and freeze too? did you filter that all in 1 pour?? I was told not to fill the filter over the half way point.
seems like my pyrex dish looked WAY colder.. mine was white with frost and hard to handle, I think that was 24 hours... is there really a difference between leaving it in the freezer for 12 hours, and for 48 hours?? cold is cold right? seems that after 12 hours or so it hits its peak (low point) for temps.
Guzias1
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I find it easier to make my best, final consistency when I don't use heat to evap. And honestly, the fan blowing right over didn't take too long. And I don't need to worry about over heating . I have not been able to efficiently vacuum purge off all the ethanol. So, I also use natural air, and lots of wind power to evap my ethanol.
It does take time, but it's worth it to me.
Andddd. As for filtering.. I think I'm doing it alright.
I.use the same filter per winterization, the filter only holds about 5 oz of liquid, so I poured once, let strain, then poured the rest..
And I usually let my filtration sit in freezer for hours +
Also, Ethanol does evap in a freezer if uncovered..
So I've already started my initial evap. And I will let that filter drippidy drip drip till I see a cluster of wax in it.. and it looks pretty much dry..
I could re winterize/filter, but the more I think about it. I just want this batch done.
It does take time, but it's worth it to me.
Andddd. As for filtering.. I think I'm doing it alright.
I.use the same filter per winterization, the filter only holds about 5 oz of liquid, so I poured once, let strain, then poured the rest..
And I usually let my filtration sit in freezer for hours +
Also, Ethanol does evap in a freezer if uncovered..
So I've already started my initial evap. And I will let that filter drippidy drip drip till I see a cluster of wax in it.. and it looks pretty much dry..
I could re winterize/filter, but the more I think about it. I just want this batch done.
vacpurge
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hmm. you dont like vacuuming the oil mix to finalize it? I just had mine sit in front of a fan at 110F for 4 or so hours, it still needs more. I find the vacuum is the best bet as im scared to bring it above 110F or so...even though its at a vacuum at 110F now.
think the evapped everclear could ever be enough to cause an explosion?
heres some pics of this run
oz and 1 can... ive never ran that little butane!!! 2nd can in a 2nd dish and the result was very very small.. interesting. I could have gotten away wih 3/4 of a can for an oz. wow. I never would have thought!!! I was taught to run a half oz with 3 cans back when I was young... crazy. bud sucked, and 1/4 of the bag was crumbs. the yield was 5 grams of oil. lost .2g in the winterizaion process. the final weigh it going to be around 4.5g winterized from 28 grams. froze for 12 hours
butane:
heres a dish that I used last time.. it sat for 2 weeks and the everclear evapped naturally... leaving behind quite a bit of oil.. ill catch it in the next run I guess.
lets see a filter shot guzias! (hint... I take mine in the closet hehe. a nice dark spot, 100% of the light is from the flash.. weird how its able to focus in the pitch black, then do the final focusing during the split second of the flash)
after 4 hours at 110F with a fan, that skin is bad... means there is still a ton of everclear in it still.
paper is 1.00 gram, after winterization, but before the final vacuum which will pull some weight out.
soo, this winterized stuff isnt like BHO. you cant stick it together and pull apart quickly.. how the hell do I get it in the center?? im plan on freezing it, which makes it shatter. and ill just bust it off and pile back in the center
think the evapped everclear could ever be enough to cause an explosion?
heres some pics of this run
oz and 1 can... ive never ran that little butane!!! 2nd can in a 2nd dish and the result was very very small.. interesting. I could have gotten away wih 3/4 of a can for an oz. wow. I never would have thought!!! I was taught to run a half oz with 3 cans back when I was young... crazy. bud sucked, and 1/4 of the bag was crumbs. the yield was 5 grams of oil. lost .2g in the winterizaion process. the final weigh it going to be around 4.5g winterized from 28 grams. froze for 12 hours
butane:
heres a dish that I used last time.. it sat for 2 weeks and the everclear evapped naturally... leaving behind quite a bit of oil.. ill catch it in the next run I guess.
lets see a filter shot guzias! (hint... I take mine in the closet hehe. a nice dark spot, 100% of the light is from the flash.. weird how its able to focus in the pitch black, then do the final focusing during the split second of the flash)
after 4 hours at 110F with a fan, that skin is bad... means there is still a ton of everclear in it still.
paper is 1.00 gram, after winterization, but before the final vacuum which will pull some weight out.
soo, this winterized stuff isnt like BHO. you cant stick it together and pull apart quickly.. how the hell do I get it in the center?? im plan on freezing it, which makes it shatter. and ill just bust it off and pile back in the center
vacpurge
New Member
yeah its a neat little quick trick used for oil that isnt quite stable yet. normally when you freeze it (butane oil that is) it makes it insta shatter (needs an hour or so in freezer) and it usually flakes off the parchment perfectly. gotta be quick though or it starts to get sticky again and that is NO fun.
BUT, this mixture that I had still had like 8-10% everclear in it, and wouldnt freeze... it actually started to soak into the parchment paper, make the paper very thin and almost rip like a wet paper bag... not cool. I had 220$ on that sheet!
I threw it back in the vac for an hour or so at 110F and it kept purging it without going off the paper (which is why I stopped and put it in the freezer in the first place) I was able to do the "fold paper in half and pull apart very quickly" getting it into once nice ball, which I threw back into the vac and it continued to muffin. so far it went from 4.9g to 4.5g after the first vac... lots of everclear left!!! you can tell when your dish has that skin on it in my first pics.
BUT, this mixture that I had still had like 8-10% everclear in it, and wouldnt freeze... it actually started to soak into the parchment paper, make the paper very thin and almost rip like a wet paper bag... not cool. I had 220$ on that sheet!
I threw it back in the vac for an hour or so at 110F and it kept purging it without going off the paper (which is why I stopped and put it in the freezer in the first place) I was able to do the "fold paper in half and pull apart very quickly" getting it into once nice ball, which I threw back into the vac and it continued to muffin. so far it went from 4.9g to 4.5g after the first vac... lots of everclear left!!! you can tell when your dish has that skin on it in my first pics.
Guzias1
Well-Known Member
for fun :]
im removing the left over solvents in my filter.
for fun, i will see how much this shit weighs after i purge..
you get?? its a test. for fun, i'' probably dab this shit too..
for fun, i does a lot of dumb shit :]
im mostly curious to see how much $$ this fog weighs. you know, looking at it, its kind of like damn, people would probably never know those waxes were in there.. and ironically some would think the plant wax coated oils are more potent because they hit harder...
butttt, luckily there are other people that appreciate this art, so i make this mostly with pleasure :]
anddd after all this is said and done, im going to take my purged plant waxes, and throw them into my jar of wax filters sitting in da back of my freezer, for future re winterization and reclaim..
fun fun
im removing the left over solvents in my filter.
for fun, i will see how much this shit weighs after i purge..
you get?? its a test. for fun, i'' probably dab this shit too..
for fun, i does a lot of dumb shit :]
im mostly curious to see how much $$ this fog weighs. you know, looking at it, its kind of like damn, people would probably never know those waxes were in there.. and ironically some would think the plant wax coated oils are more potent because they hit harder...
butttt, luckily there are other people that appreciate this art, so i make this mostly with pleasure :]
anddd after all this is said and done, im going to take my purged plant waxes, and throw them into my jar of wax filters sitting in da back of my freezer, for future re winterization and reclaim..
fun fun