Wisconsin Revolt

Who do you support in the Wisconsin Revolt?


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redivider

Well-Known Member
That theory is about as interesting as debt is not a huge problem. Holding cash is a negative return when you consider inflation. The reason they are holding reserves is 1) uncertainty in the market 2) lack of available liquidity in the capital markets 3) the "new" way of thinking born out of a recession regaring operating on razor thin margins and not having a safety net. The market is not flying high on projections...it wants to see liquidity a source of financial strength. The pendulum has simply swung from being overly agressive to overly conservative. This will change, but not until market conditions do.
UNCERTAINTY IN THE MARKET just means that somebody else might make the money instead of me.

lack of available liquidity in the capital markets, that's due to the very same pieces of shit who took advantage of freddie and fannie and 'derivatised' every single piece of debt on their balance sheets to the point where the head of the Finance department at Harvard can't explain how they work. they created the mess, and don't want to part with the cash to help fix it. they want the tax payer to keep funding these never-ending derivatives.......

3, this wasn't the worst recession in the nation's history. razor thin margins????????????????????????????????????? Lehman brothers posted NET INCOME figures of over a billion dollars the year before it went bankrupt..... what happened to all that money??? nothing razor thin about net income figures larger than the economy of several countries. that's a bunch of bullshit....

3 strikes and you are out my friend.....
 

MrDank007

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UNCERTAINTY IN THE MARKET just means that somebody else might make the money instead of me.

lack of available liquidity in the capital markets, that's due to the very same pieces of shit who took advantage of freddie and fannie and 'derivatised' every single piece of debt on their balance sheets to the point where the head of the Finance department at Harvard can't explain how they work. they created the mess, and don't want to part with the cash to help fix it. they want the tax payer to keep funding these never-ending derivatives.......

3, this wasn't the worst recession in the nation's history. razor thin margins????????????????????????????????????? Lehman brothers posted NET INCOME figures of over a billion dollars the year before it went bankrupt..... what happened to all that money??? nothing razor thin about net income figures larger than the economy of several countries. that's a bunch of bullshit....

3 strikes and you are out my friend.....
You're out of your element Donny. And all of this is off topic.
 

NewGrowth

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None of this is "off topic" all the corruption ties back to the federal reserve bankers and it even trickles down to the unionized " public servants" of Wisconsin. You're just pissed because redivider struck you out :wink:. Collective bargaining is wrong in the public sector bottom line.
 

MrDank007

Well-Known Member
None of this is "off topic" all the corruption ties back to the federal reserve bankers and it even trickles down to the unionized " public servants" of Wisconsin. You're just pissed because redivider struck you out :wink:. Collective bargaining is wrong in the public sector bottom line.
Dude, I have been arguing that collective bargaining doesn't work in the public sector for about 15 pages on this thread. What are you talking about? Struck me out?
There are so many problems with Redividers posts as his last 2 directed towards me, I'm not going to spend the time explaining simple buisness for the next 60 pages.
 

Allister

Active Member
I for one, am sick to freaking death of the unions in this country and how they hold everyone else hostage. I say let the Democrats stay out of state and not do their jobs, you can applaud them all you want. As for the teachers, LET THE LAYOFFS BEGIN!!
Union retirements that they can't pay for are a huge part of why this country is in the spot it is in. I as a taxpayer get pissed off every time I hear that I have helped pay for some jackasses union pension becasue the union thug leaders have spent away the money that they were supposed to be holding to pay for this shit. Fuck 'em.
 

MrDank007

Well-Known Member
They fucking pay 100 percent of their own pensions. Nobody is paying for them except the employees.​
Except the $1trillion shortfall gap, which is picked up by the taxpayer. We've been through this.
 

Carne Seca

Well-Known Member
...how are the "employees paid" ... thru a willing consumer or thru an offer the consumer of their "services" can't refuse?
How are postal employees paid? How are Senators and Representatives paid (who make twice the money these poor teachers make AND the taxpayers truly pay for their benefits and pensions)? If you want to go after overpaid/underqualified/fat cat government employees then go after the fucking idiots that are "representing" us. They REALLY don't work a 12 month year. In fact BONER set up for them to work one week and have vacation for two week intervals for the next three or four months. I don't see any of you raising hell about that.
 

DelSlow

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How are postal employees paid? How are Senators and Representatives paid (who make twice the money these poor teachers make AND the taxpayers truly pay for their benefits and pensions)? If you want to go after overpaid/underqualified/fat cat government employees then go after the fucking idiots that are "representing" us. They REALLY don't work a 12 month year. In fact BONER set up for them to work one week and have vacation for two week intervals for the next three or four months. I don't see any of you raising hell about that.
I say rodney king style riots will get their attention...
 

MrDank007

Well-Known Member
How are postal employees paid? How are Senators and Representatives paid (who make twice the money these poor teachers make AND the taxpayers truly pay for their benefits and pensions)? If you want to go after overpaid/underqualified/fat cat government employees then go after the fucking idiots that are "representing" us. They REALLY don't work a 12 month year. In fact BONER set up for them to work one week and have vacation for two week intervals for the next three or four months. I don't see any of you raising hell about that.
Post office is underwater as well. Senators and reps? OMG what a can of worms. I think we can all agree on that!
 

rastabobz

Active Member
I am from Wisconsin and live downtown Madison. I support all the people protesting everyday. It is not about the money and the people have made that clear. It is about the right to negotiate. Scott Walker is a criminal and doesn't understand that his job is to do what the people want. He should at the very least talk to the people and come to an agreement instead of ignoring the people he represents.
 

Rob Roy

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How are postal employees paid? How are Senators and Representatives paid (who make twice the money these poor teachers make AND the taxpayers truly pay for their benefits and pensions)? If you want to go after overpaid/underqualified/fat cat government employees then go after the fucking idiots that are "representing" us. They REALLY don't work a 12 month year. In fact BONER set up for them to work one week and have vacation for two week intervals for the next three or four months. I don't see any of you raising hell about that.
Your bringing up the others that feed from the trough further validates my point, thank you.

Any pay derived from coercion is the issue, the amount each parasite is paid is just a matter of degrees from my view point, it doesn't matter if they are janitors, teachers or school superintendents. They all rely on money that is "taken" rather than given as an act of free trade. When somebody "takes" your money and tells you there is no other choice, some people call that theft. That's how everyone of the "public servants" you mentioned is funded.

You complain about the level of pay of some bureaucrats...that's a valid complaint. What's worse knowing they are overpaid or knowing there isn't a damned thing you can do about it? You see the system you advocate has allowed that. In a free market if you like a service you purchase it, if enough people like the service, the service provider is rewarded and his business flourishes. In an unfree market, like government "services" that doesn't occur. Without unmolested market signals the positive feedback necessary for continuous improvement is missing. Absent competition there is no incentive to perform for many. Hence the term "good enough for government work". Lol.

You say "I don't see any of you raising hell about that". I don't speak for a plural, only for myself so I don't know what you are referring to.
 

Ernst

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I am from Wisconsin and live downtown Madison. I support all the people protesting everyday. It is not about the money and the people have made that clear. It is about the right to negotiate. Scott Walker is a criminal and doesn't understand that his job is to do what the people want. He should at the very least talk to the people and come to an agreement instead of ignoring the people he represents.
In a world where life is important yes. Immortal corporate citizens only see profit and loss so rights for people means loss of profits from the point of view of those immortal corporate citizenry.

Money is the illusion a lot of people worship over their very liberties.

Remember this crises was created by financial institutions and no one has gone to jail for what they did but going after jobs, pay and bargaining rights for the workers are rights that are being attacked as a response to the need of fixing things.

So first they ruin people's lives, take their jobs and then take there rights. Tell me there isn't a war on and the guns are pointed at the workers.

People that believe they are entitled to the things of this world are a threat to people who believe they already own everything. So the war on workers will happen upon the very people that make profits possible as a necessary capital investment for business.
Hence Walker is a Stooge player who more than likely will earn $50,000 a speech after he leaves office.
 

Ernst

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Michael Moore kicks some ass about Wisconsin and how 400 people have more wealth in the USA than wealth of 1.5 million US citizens combined.
 

undertheice

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How are postal employees paid? How are Senators and Representatives paid (who make twice the money these poor teachers make AND the taxpayers truly pay for their benefits and pensions)? If you want to go after overpaid/under qualified/fat cat government employees then go after the fucking idiots that are "representing" us. They REALLY don't work a 12 month year. In fact BONER set up for them to work one week and have vacation for two week intervals for the next three or four months. I don't see any of you raising hell about that.
then i'd say you haven't been paying the slightest bit of attention. there have been people screaming from both the left and the right about the incompetence and corruption that runs throughout government for as long as i can remember, but the subject always seems to get changed. a new batch of entitlements is handed out to mollify the teeming masses, a new danger is identified to set the cause-heads yammering for more legislation, a new set of thieves is elected to promise change and the complaints become secondary to some new cause of the moment. there isn't a single government employee that isn't over-paid and under-worked, that doesn't continually fail to meet the minimum requirements of the job and still manage to duck the responsibility for their failures, but the game just continues because the people who pay the bills are so easily misdirected.

the situation in wisconsin is a perfect example of this misdirection. thinking that it would defuse some of the argument, police and firefighters were exempted from the proposed changes. did that tactic work? of course not, the pro-union forces merely pushed the next most important tier to the forefront. if teachers had been exempted they would have gone down another rung, then another and another and eventually we'd be having the same arguments about the importance of the janitors or gardeners on the government payroll. it never ends, each capitulation is met with further defiance by the groups that didn't get exactly what they wanted. when those tactics fail, there is always someone who will chime in with a comment about those at the apex of the pyramid scheme of government and we start climbing down the ladder all over again. we go up and down the government pay scale and no one is ever willing to pay the price of their incompetence.

no one but the taxpayers of course, but they don't matter. the taxpayer from the private sector is supporting this whole mess, but their voice is muted by the bleeding hearts, the statists and the constant lies of their representatives. thanks to decades of mind numbing liberal rhetoric that has demanded ever more government to provide ever more aid to the common man, the massive engine of governmental bureaucracy has begun to bleed its revenue sources dry and to falter. it took a major economic downturn to show us the sorry results of our constant demands for more government and we now find that there is no remedy. each segment of the public sector has armored itself in layers of protective regulations and a mythology of its importance to the grand scheme of things. in our hubris, we have dismantled many of the private sector equivalents that could have saved us from these bureaucratic behemoths and we find ourselves at the mercy of that which we built to serve us. even an attempt to unravel the mess we've made is met with incredulity. no one believes we can do without the monster we have created.

first we created government to demand that the rights of the workers weren't trod upon and it failed miserably at that. we then created unions to support the cause of workers. that worked for a while, but they soon became as abusive as the robber barons they were set to combat. next we created unions for the employees of the very government that was supposed to be protecting workers rights all along and, sure enough, they too became as abusive as their private sector counterparts. in fact, they became even worse because, being a part of government, they were allowed to create the sort of monopolies that are forbidden in the private sector. we now have government janitors that have solidly ensconced themselves in the middle class. we have teachers that fail miserably at their task, but manage to retire with taxpayer provided, cola protected pensions that pay out as if they had never stopped working. we have legions of secretaries, under-secretaries, assistants to this, assistants to that and myriad other bureaucrats that are all providing themselves with tidy little nest eggs for having managed to avoid any work of real value for their entire lives. at the top of the heap we have elected officials who provide for their extravagances through their own propensity for deception and the ignorance of their constituents.

all of this waste is going on in front of your very eyes and you have the audacity to bitch about the lessening of the influence of unions that should never have had a reason to exist in the first place? i realize that the very term "union" is sacrosanct to the left, but this just shows the extent to which ignorance has taken over the liberal cause. this should be a grand first strike at the underpinnings of a bloated, unresponsive bureaucracy. we should take this as the beginning of massive stripping of power from those who have taken it by force, but you rail against it instead.
 

Carthoris

Well-Known Member
actually they asked us to give them 700 billion dollars. TWICE.

it seems like the only ones on the receiving end of this equation are the ones that least need it. the ULTRA RICH.
How is that a response to my post of "Greedy because they aren't giving away money? Isn't wanting more money being greedy too? Everyone is greedy - don't be mad because you aren't on top."

They they they they - who is 'they'? The businesses that employ the entire workforce of the United States? You realize they are paying all that back eventually? Not to mention it wasn't all businesses that got that money, it was only a small portion. You obviously cannot control your liberal hatred.
 

undertheice

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Yawn.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz^^^^^^^^^^^^
funny, i feel exactly the same way when some idjit starts ranting about how we should take all the money away from the rich to feed the poor or how everyone deserves to win, win, win. the difference between us seems to be that i usually at least try to give some content and don't simply post meaningless snippets like some silly little bitch.
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