WTF collectives !

fdd2blk said:

all the clubs i ever go to have a menu that ranges from 25 an eighth and up. don't want to pay 65? then don't.

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People who go into clubs frequently assume that if they don't buy the most expensive thing in there, then they are getting crap. So not true. Especially in the bay area or LA. Organic buds are vary rarely in that price range and are often quite good, but because they don't have that hydro look that's so popular, they aren't as expensive.

So then two more questions.

1. What county do you live in? and where would I find what my county allows?
2. So you are saying that you could just open a collective, get the required signature to a copy of a dispensory form, and use it to grow up to 99 plants (it's a number I hear often, and assume it's there to help against federal issues. Obvioulsy with the help of a 215 lawyer.

Thanks for the help and sorry for the jack. I will open a new thread under legal.

Dan Kone said:

Dispensaries are supposed to either pay you on consignment or make you fill out a tax form. The idea of informing the government what I'm doing makes me uneasy so I always go to consignment clubs. Usually you're only selling to them on consignment at first, once they've dealt with you a while they usually just give you cash.



In my county I'm required to put up my doctors rec and have a looking door (for indoor) or locking gate/fence (for outdoor). That's pretty much it.

Also stacking more than 3 doctors rec's will usually get you raided by police. Some places stacking recs at all will. If you're going to stack rec's is good to operate as a collective. This is easy to do, you don't need to file any paperwork with the government to do this. Just copy a collective agreement, replace the collective name with whatever you want to call your collective, and then get the people who's recommendations you are using to sign it. This does not make any of them liable, they can claim you have no idea how you're providing them with medicine.

It's good to know what local police are busting people for. Doing searches in your local newspaper for medical marijuana and grow house is a good idea. Talking to a local lawyer about this who specializes in 215 cases is a better idea.

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As far as starting a collective, yes it's that easy. Talked it over with my lawyer when I started the process of opening a dispensary. That is the only think I needed to do according to him. There isn't any law defining a collective as anything more than that.

This is the reasons no more "cooperative" clubs opening up. Cooperatives have strict legal definitions, collectives do not.

BIGDAVE said:

So then two more questions.

1. What county do you live in? and where would I find what my county allows?

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a) b) http://www.safeaccessnow.net/countyguidelines.htm

2. So you are saying that you could just open a collective, get the required signature to a copy of a dispensory form, and use it to grow up to 99 plants (it's a number I hear often, and assume it's there to help against federal issues. Obvioulsy with the help of a 215 lawyer.

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99 plants keeps you safe from state police. If your city/county adopts a "no plant limit" policy, then your limit is 99 plants. If your city/county does not adopt a plant limit policy then your limit is the state legal minimum unless you can get a doctor that will raise that will either put on paper or say you need more than that.

Yes, all you need is that form.

Thanks for the help and sorry for the jack. I will open a new thread under legal

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It's all good.

green.budz said:

Why is it collectives in so cal are priced like street vendors ? I thought there were compassionate non profit organisations dedicated to providing medicine but today I saw a collective in sd that was pricing eights at 65$ top shelf ...
some of us need the medicine , and at a more affordabe price .

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medical growers are TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOU under the guise of "providing medicine" when in reality they are just using the law to shield their MASSIVE DOPE MONOPOLY.

fuck medical growers, they are the most greedy heartless capitalistic goons EVER. stay away!!!!

farmboss said:

medical growers are TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOU under the guise of "providing medicine" when in reality they are just using the law to shield their MASSIVE DOPE MONOPOLY.

fuck medical growers, they are the most greedy heartless capitalistic goons EVER. stay away!!!!

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medical users will lie to you all day. they smoke dope under the guise of "being sick". don't trust them with anything.

farmboss said:

medical growers are TAKING ADVANTAGE OF YOU under the guise of "providing medicine" when in reality they are just using the law to shield their MASSIVE DOPE MONOPOLY.

fuck medical growers, they are the most greedy heartless capitalistic goons EVER. stay away!!!!

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Sure, medical growers make good money. There is a good reason for that. There is significant risk involved to them. Dispensary owners are the ones making ridiculous profits at the moment. They are buying pounds wholesale for $25 an 8th and selling it at $50 an 8th. That's an insane markup considering there is very little risk to most dispensary owners anymore.

100% markup is pretty much business standards. it's how ANY business works.

i walk into a shop with a 50 dollar piece of glass, i get 25 dollars for it. industry standards. same everywhere.

I was kind of thinking of the docs rec as insurance ....providing thoose with it , medicine at a price break .. as for the relief ... I was thinking of medication to aleviate pain not to get stephen hawking mode .. Couple of my buddies use oxys a lot and to tell you the truth having them in a coma while visiting is pretty shitty .SO as for people with serious issues or even wanting to get stoned/high 65 an eighth is retarded .. big growers dont just sell to dispenceries or collectives ...they do that and peddle to there local movers ... and most movers in socal charge 60 an eighth for really good medical ....wich is over priced as well but there taking a lot of risk doign it illegally ... Is it too much to buy in bulk even cheaper (assuming you can keep a quality product ). Then sell it for 20% of wholesale similar to most liquor stores ?

I dont know .. I think the system is there for a good reason , but most companies are entering it in a cookie cutter fashion , rather then trying to diversify the market .
the first quality place to offer great product , at a resonable price will still profit , and claim a huge portion of the business . just look @ costco ..

i dont mean to promote somthing on a forum, but if you want low prices go check out pacific green farm in San Diego, there all about no overhead, 10$ clones and top shelf med for 17$ and the regular dank meds for 15$

intensive said:

i dont mean to promote somthing on a forum, but if you want low prices go check out pacific green farm in San Diego, there all about no overhead, 10$ clones and top shelf med for 17$ and the regular dank meds for 15$

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$17/$15 a gram or 8th?

That's really expensive if it's for a gram. $8-$12 is pretty standard for clones.

I did some more research around here and found a collective with a $50 cap on eights, and they give u extra weight. I guess the collectives are much different that the dispensaries in how they operate. No more eights over $60 for me unless i randomly feel like smoking fancy buds. Like Dan has said a lot of the time its just cosmetic differences. This place sells almost all organically grown stuff too, so thats nice to know.

Dan Kone said:

$17/$15 a gram or 8th?

That's really expensive if it's for a gram. $8-$12 is pretty standard for clones.

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I guess since the bay areas had it goin on the longest u guys got a better market. Here in santa barbara $15 a gram is a good deal, and clones are around $15-20

SB Garlic said:

I guess since the bay areas had it goin on the longest u guys got a better market. Here in santa barbara $15 a gram is a good deal, and clones are around $15-20

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I went to college in SB. SB always had extremely good bud, but always very expensive.

cOULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MY SELF MAN. oops caps. But yeah thats why i grow. drop a couple hundred on power and nutes and smoke all year. oh and dope thumb nail you have there.

green.budz said:

Why is it collectives in so cal are priced like street vendors ? I thought there were compassionate non profit organisations dedicated to providing medicine but today I saw a collective in sd that was pricing eights at 65$ top shelf ...
some of us need the medicine , and at a more affordabe price .
when a doc can give you a perscription of viccoden (25+ pills ) for 5 $ with insurance , shouldnt a movement trying to gain weight offer a better medication at a more reasonable price ? I wont name the collective but god ...

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yes my pot club is anay where from 25 an eighth to 55 tops the best stuff ever and great prices

Dan Kone said:

People who go into clubs frequently assume that if they don't buy the most expensive thing in there, then they are getting crap. So not true. Especially in the bay area or LA. Organic buds are vary rarely in that price range and are often quite good, but because they don't have that hydro look that's so popular, they aren't as expensive.

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Whether anybody will admit it or not, there's also a peer-pressure element when you walk into a busy dispensary/collective, especially for people that are fairly new to them, and obviously for people that are new to smoking MJ altogether. If they don't know anything about the product, they're not gonna want to show their ignorance in front of other customers by buying one of the cheaper offerings unless that's absolutely all they can afford, and 9 times out of 10 they'll definitely buy whatever the bud tender recommends.

I heard on the news, with the new large scale grow companies coming up the price is going to drop from $380 an ounce to $38 an ounce. This has to do with prop 19, and the huge scale grow ops that are getting up and running. nice to drop the prices, lets hope they keep up the good strains and what not if and when it passes. JOBS? I sure could use one! I'll be applying at these operations. nothing else out there!

they will most likey go wit high yield strains

glassblower209 said:

oh and dope thumb nail you have there.

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Hive mind

wait a second(as I drag up this old thread cause the Medical Section is so dead)
Medical growers are actually making Less profit, higher total sales balance this out a little, there is always Loss somewhere.
Medi Growers are Getting 2.5-3.5K per Lb. Or up to 1000 per Lb. That is like 250 per Oz.
So No, Medi Growers are not getting richer. Instead of a middle man making the profit, it is the Dealer you are buying from (Dispensary/Collective).
It is unfortunate. However there are bills to be paid, employees to feed and house when running a business.
Having quite a bit of experience in management I could see shops selling 10 or more oz per day @ 350+ (or what was your guys cap you wanted 45X8 $360.00) well that is about 4K per day, there is profit. Being made, but it is not the grower making these profits.

I doubt the price of this commodity will drop as far as to $38 USD per Ounce.
I believe that when we finally get Legal, we will see a drop in price and a flood of the market.
A flood of Everyone trying to grow creates a flood of substandard product. We will still be looking for quality when we are flooded with more poor quality.
Link to current market info

I will still be looking to the more experienced growers, same ones I have been puffing off of for 20+ years.
But now these old growers supply the market Legally @ about 250.
Seems most Medical shops are selling this same product at 400+ (Recon, SensiStar, MKUltra, Chocolope, and others)

But heck, what do I know.
I do have a habit of driving poor profiting businesses into and over 1m in sales per month. Yr 2007 Sales=74 m Yr 2008 Sales=150M
Have been studying this market since 1985.

"Has anyone seen the bridge?.... Where's that confounded bridge?"