YAY! ANOTHER GROW! coco\perlite with 400W

Things are going smoothly, kinda.





The sick white rhino is recovering nicely.
Next watering will be after the plants completly dry - saturday night. (6 days after the last watering. On coco\perlite I think its a lot with mature healthy flowering plants)

Buds are swelling, trichomes are building and everything is going.. normaly.










I pluck out the dead leaves every now and then, water them every 4-5 days and that pretty much all I'm doing.


Much more interesting at the moment is my Mandala Seeds 8 Miles High seedling - it is showing growth every day and is doing great.
It got its first normal feeding with 0.5ml Hesi Coco, 0.5ml GHE onepart TotalGro and 5ml Hesi Root complex. (all are per liter)
I hope the extra rooting things will boost its root system enough to make it grow faster.



I got a whole lot of ideas I want to try on this strain as it will be my summer strain. (i really don't expect it to cut it to the next winter grow as from what I've seen it is far from my standards but it should be VERY heat resistant and that all I'm looking for in the summer)

I'm waiting on a Lemon Skunk cutting to root and it shall be flowered alongside the 8MH for comparison and because right now its my fav.


Another thing I'm learning is composting.
I try to keep some of the dead leaves from my plants and crush them into a bucket with some ready compost as a starter and some soil.
I add some other compost I made from my tomatoes and peppers roots mainly.

Even tho I'm working in a 5L bucket that currently has about 800ml of compost it seems to work so I shall add more dead stuff in it later on.

I want to try and run with 60% homemade compost, 20% humus, 10% coco and 10% perlite.
The compost should not be completly composted to lower the PH enough to make it possible to give it only water without doing anything else.
Of course an established plant will be used.

I also want to try growing in a sock. Same principle as root air pruning, only very cheap and very available.

Another thing I want to try is Uncle Ben's topping method - topping down to the 2nd true node after the 6th node is showing to promote growth of 4 colas.
That should be ideal with my summer CFL grow.

And I will give another try to flowering clones - I got the LS cutting 4 weeks into flowering. It has a small bud on top of it.
It should stunt the growth long enough to match with the 8MH and should produce a lot of branches.


As for my torture grow - the Great White Shark is by far the first one to hermie. As expected.
I'll take some pictures when it'll get more advanced.

Yeah your onto it man i'd like to see these sock's as a experiment , Those buds are slowely swelling. This grows interesting because i havent really used coco as a med before (Except my flatemate did once, He used SCROG too.) and im thinking about it... Ill use my mates camera and show you my DIY PC box.Peace

CFL+OutdoorGrower said:

Yeah your onto it man i'd like to see these sock's as a experiment , Those buds are slowely swelling. This grows interesting because i havent really used coco as a med before (Except my flatemate did once, He used SCROG too.) and im thinking about it... Ill use my mates camera and show you my DIY PC box.Peace

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My summer grow should have plenty experiments that should be interesting.
Thats what happens when you don't care about the yield or quality too much.

Feel free to send me the pictures via PM. If you wish I can send you pictures of my PC as well

Things are going well. The sick WR looks better.

I had an issue with my cool tube that requiered to take it out so I fixed some issues with it.

I grew sick and tired of the distance from the light to the canopy, which was about 40cm and looked like this;


So I took some plank and cut it as spacers to bend the SCROG toward the lights.
I then added a rope to eliminate the belly that formed by the bending.

It now looks like this:


That distance from the light to the side parts of the SCROG is 12cm and about 20cm to the bottom but some buds are poking out closer to the light.



By my calculations the reduction from 40cm to 12cm adds almost 9 times more light to the buds, which should translate to much bigger buds.


I like it much better now.

On another note, I got some small plant drying out. One of the is a party cup plant that was very close to the fan and I don't think it'll survive.
It is starting to get hot (28°C) so watering will become more frequent.

I got back on track with the feeding schedual, sort of. I gave them 5ml HESI coco, 2ml Bloom stimulator, 0.5ml PK and 1ml BioBizz TopMax.
They needed 18 liters this time as they were very dry after 5 days without watering.
I will now feed them every 3 days. hopefuly.


I'm working on a new closet design for my next winter grow (its never too soon, huh?) that should be as small as possible while still maximizing the use of a 600w for flowering and my 400 for vegging \ flowering.
I need to get my Google sketch skills to a level that allows me to use it well enough, but when I do, if I do, I'll post a topic in the room design forum for help.



Beside all that, things look pretty well

I like what you've done with the light, It's always best to maxiumise the lumens as much as possible i like to put a glass screen between a cola and a 23 watter i can have them litrally 2 cm apart or 3 or 4 without the glass. which is what i like about cfl's they are more interactive, although looks like you've got your hands full on your future set ups! Goodluck &Peace

I hate this Lemon Skunk, so touchy. (but the most prized weed I grew)
I got one in a plastic cup dying. oh well.

I also got a 1L plants drying but it survives.

Well, nothing major changed, just some swelling and rippening.

Just some pictures.
Some trichomes are becoming amber already.

Finally got myself a new keyboard !

Its day 48 of flowering.

The buds doesn't pump up as I expected, even tho the lights are now really close.
I hope it will start loading up weight in the following week.

I decided to cull the Great White Shark and the Blue Mystic mothers for now.
The Blue Mystic is just far below my standards - its low in potency and it only lasts up to an hour. Also, the tollerance buildup it really quick.
The Great White Shark has a tendency to hermi faster than I accept. Don't need extra worries.

After this round is all sampled I'll decide which mothers to keep over summer. Probably the Lemon Skunk and MAYBE the White Rhino.

As for buds ripeness - just a few trichomes are amber already, but most of the trichs are cloudy.

I'm looking for 50% amber so it'll be a while more.



The 8 Miles High grows VERY well.

Its the week 7 of flowering mark today so it requiers an update

Things are going well but the buds doesn't swell as much as they usually do in this stage.

I got the fan down to 2\3 speed as its too noisy and they don't need it.

Its been hot today and they needed a feeding 2 days after the last watering. Some were dry 80% down the pot.

I'm waiting on batteries for my microscope to arrive, when they do I'll start updating reguarly on the trichomes stage.


The 8MH got topped back to the 2nd true node as per Uncle Ben's topping mehtod.
I'm trying to make a clone out of the top.

I got a flashlight and my battery-dead pocket microscope to check the trichomes stage.
There are about 40% clear, 45% cloudy and 5% amber.

I guess I got 3 weeks left until chop chop.

I also noted some overfeeding issues. They don't look too well lately and I think its because of salt buildup - I haven't flushed since I started and never gave them plain clear water.
I'll give them chlorine free PHed tap water without additives next watering to ease on the overfeeding issue. For this week they should be fed wednesday and saturday.
They should get 5ml Hesi Coco, 2ml Bloom stimulator and 1ml PK. I think its way too much for their condition and will give them on wednesday clear water and on saturday 3ml Hesi Coco, 1ml Bloom stimulator and 0.75ml PK.
On the week after that they will get 3ml Hesi coco, 2ml Bloom Stimulator and 1.5ml PK.
On the week after that they will be flushed and go on straight PHed tap water, and maybe molasses if I'll find cheap one around.

Nice what ratio are you going for with cloudy/amber? Or going for 100% amber?

My aim is about 40-50% amber trichomes, but I usually chop by the appearance of the buds - when they swell up and the pistils die and shrivel.
I might chop later than that stage, but not sooner. This is my last run with the big light for the next half a year or so, so yield is a very big issue.
Also, as I'm running different strain they will probably finish at different times but due to the fact I'm using a screen and can't remove one plant from it while keeping it alive (to manicure and put it for 48 hours in the dark before chopping) I'll chop them all at once. And as previously mentioned, yield is a big issue, I don't want to chop any plant pre-maturely.

Damn bastards. I paid 12 dollars for 450grams of unsulfured mollasses.

I gave the plants 12 liters of water with one hugh tablespoon of mollasses desolved in it.

The 8MH is slowly recovering from the massacar.

hey McFonz, I'm a little late but at least i didn't miss what's sure to be a great ending . You got a marijuana forest going dude! that's a lot of buds for a 400w they look really nice.

i just read the whole journal. it's cool that you made gumby hash. I'm way too stoned/lazy to ever attempt something like that but i'd love to smoke it sometime. You got some nice little nugs of hash. If you had trouble pressing it, i heard wrapping it in plastic wrap, then tightly wrapping paper around it, soaking it in water, putting it in a 250 degrees f oven for 10 mins then pressing the hell out of it works to press hash. I don't know if it works with gumby hash but i don't see why not. You've probably heard that before but in case you haven't...

It's cool that you're trying a compost thing too. That's something I've always wanted to do and I will someday. Im sorry to hear about you losing some plants to the cold. It never gets below freezing where i live but sure gets fuckin hot during the summer. I might have your problem just opposite, lose some plants to the heat haha.

well, peace out i'll be around

sneekpunk said:

hey McFonz, I'm a little late but at least i didn't miss what's sure to be a great ending . You got a marijuana forest going dude! that's a lot of buds for a 400w they look really nice.

i just read the whole journal. it's cool that you made gumby hash. I'm way too stoned/lazy to ever attempt something like that but i'd love to smoke it sometime. You got some nice little nugs of hash. If you had trouble pressing it, i heard wrapping it in plastic wrap, then tightly wrapping paper around it, soaking it in water, putting it in a 250 degrees f oven for 10 mins then pressing the hell out of it works to press hash. I don't know if it works with gumby hash but i don't see why not. You've probably heard that before but in case you haven't...

It's cool that you're trying a compost thing too. That's something I've always wanted to do and I will someday. Im sorry to hear about you losing some plants to the cold. It never gets below freezing where i live but sure gets fuckin hot during the summer. I might have your problem just opposite, lose some plants to the heat haha.

well, peace out i'll be around

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Hi there
In this run I'm trying to beat my 296grams off a 400W record. I'm not pleased with the size of the buds but I sure am pleased with the emount of them.

Gumby hash is for the lazzy people, don't worry.
While your making a toast you put the trim in cold water, put it in a blender for 10-12 minutes on medium speed.
Then you put it in a glass cup or vase (relative to the emount) sifting the greens out.
After 4-5 hours you come back, pour the top water down until you see some sand like stuff starting to go away.
You put whats left in a proper sized glassware and wait an hour.
Repeat that as needed.
Then you put it near your vent in the grow room to dry out and you have some very nice kief to work with.
It sounds like much but it really doesn't. I do it usually when cooking on friday for Shabat.

I now use a door hinge, some bolts and nuts to press my hash. I just put it in, tighten the nuts with an allen wrench and heat it up a bit. Works like a charm for small emounts.
I don't like heating it too much as I fear of degradation.

I like the compost thing a lot. Its really easy too, way easier than some say it is.
I hope it will turn out well. If not - I haven't lost anything.

I lost some plants for the cold because I didn't care enough to get some heat.
Its not a frost or anything, they had about 12-15°C but any issue became an issue. Combined with the poor lightning it caused some caualties.
Its already 25°C outside at noon these days around here.
It rarely gets below freezing point around here as well - I never seen snow


Have a great week and thanks for stopping by

I started using lower nutes and I like the results.
This run I don't think I'll get to fix the plants until harvest but on the next run I sure know what to do better- using about 30% less nutes.

I get some serious frosting action and I like it.

The room stinks far more than in any of my previous grows. The carbon filter isn't enough for the last 2-3 weeks and its ANNOYING.
The carbon filter is oversized.
I must be doing SOMETHING right.



The 8MH does well. I like it. VERY vigorous.

yeah dude i guess the Gumby hash doesn't sound very hard the way you explain it. i might have to give it a try after all.

The buds look awesome! they're starting to really swell, harvest isn't too far off huh?

I estimate there's around 2-3 weeks left until harvest.
They still have a lot of swelling to do.

Things are going well, everything is going nice and steady.

I decided to remove the Great White Shark and Blue Mystic mothers from my room. The Blue Mystic is a GREAT yielder but far from the quility I look for. The Great White Shark is a great plant but tend to go hermi rather quick. I got one stressed like hell to test it and in 4 weeks no male flower have been fully formed but they are popping and I don't like the risk.
I would love to give the GWS another chance someday.

As for my toture den with the Great White Shark, White Rhino and Cheese; the Great white shark haven't formed any full male flower by now but as I decided to eliminate the risk I got it pollinated by some Blue Mystic male pollen I had from a previous grow. The seeds will be spread outdoors.
The White Rhino and the Cheese doesn't show any male flowers and I think its enough to show that they won't turn hermi on me under proper circumstances.
I will wait for them to pollinate each other and might use the seeds later as they are both nice yielders with proper quility product. If they won't pollinate each other - I'll get some more product


The 8MH needs to be repotted already and it shall be done as soon as possible.

Gave the plants a nice feeding with 3ml HESI coco, 2ml Atami Bloom Stimulator and 1.2ml Ata PK. No molasses this time not to clog the medium.

Checked the trichomes and on most plants there are 20% clear, 70% Milky and 10% or so amber.
On some there are a bit more amber ones.

The extra PK should pump the buds up to match the looks with the trichomes stage.

I predict around 20 days to chopchop. I will give them the same feeding this saturday but with 1ml\L Atami Bloom Stimulator and 1 piled up spoon of molasses in 15L of solution.
Then starting on monday (week 9 of flowering mark) I'll give them clean tap water 2 times the emount they usually get. Or more.
Then from there its molasses with water until they look ready to me.

3-5 days before the chopchop the plants will be manicured as much as possible. The last 3 days will be straight darkness.
I might keep some lower buds on if their not big enough to pack a bowl. (each)
They will get the extra time they need to fill up. I hate useless fluff and there aren't any plants that are schedualed to go in there any time soon.


Do you think I'll reach my 320 grams goal?