Yield Efficiency ?

ArcticGranite

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I'm asking because although I've read posts I haven't understood all I've seen. My question is what are the generally accepted measures of a good yield. eg
2 oz per plant? 1 gram per watt of light? 1 gram per kwh expended? So what are some accepted parameters and what yields are considered poor, fair, excellent? OK, that was multiple questions. Thanks.
 

Budgoro88

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depends on light wattage environment indoor or outdoors i think anything over a OZ is a bonus avg 3 oz
 
the answer is there keep looking or someone might drop a line and help.. You're post is informative but highly misleading budgoro88
 

kpmarine

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I'm asking because although I've read posts I haven't understood all I've seen. My question is what are the generally accepted measures of a good yield. eg
2 oz per plant? 1 gram per watt of light? 1 gram per kwh expended? So what are some accepted parameters and what yields are considered poor, fair, excellent? OK, that was multiple questions. Thanks.
I think it depends on more factors than we take into account. There may be a consensus on your particular grow style, but there's really too many variables to establish a sweeping "Good" yield standard. A guy with a fan and a 70w in a PC case is going to have a much different "Excellent" yield than the guy running a large scale grow-op with all the bells and whistles. You may be able to establish categorical standards, but a sweeping one seems like it would lose too much perspective. If we were to shoot for a standard around here g/KwH would probably have the best chance of leveling the field after a fashion.
 

SimonD

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I'm asking because although I've read posts I haven't understood all I've seen. My question is what are the generally accepted measures of a good yield. eg
2 oz per plant? 1 gram per watt of light? 1 gram per kwh expended? So what are some accepted parameters and what yields are considered poor, fair, excellent? OK, that was multiple questions. Thanks.
It's a difficult question to answer simply. Grams per watt assumes that light is the limiting factor. In some gardens it is. In my case, space is the limiting factor - I can run as much light as I like - so I gauge yield as per square foot. Per plant makes little sense, as a plant can yield a pound or a gram, depending on its genetics, how it was vegged and for how long, how it was flowered, in how much space and with how much light and grower skill. Then there's light intensity and genetics; all things being equal, the two most important factors when it comes to getting weight.

I'll give you one piece of advice: Gauge yield by your own measure of success, not by what folks say on the forums. Good luck.

Simon
 

smoke and coke

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I'm asking because although I've read posts I haven't understood all I've seen. My question is what are the generally accepted measures of a good yield. eg
2 oz per plant? 1 gram per watt of light? 1 gram per kwh expended? So what are some accepted parameters and what yields are considered poor, fair, excellent? OK, that was multiple questions. Thanks.

i need to start thinking of ways to increase my yeild with my same lighting set-up. the high temps in summer make heat my problem with getting lower yeilds.

for me, i would like to get 2oz per plant right along with 1 gpw. so i am working towards dialing this in.

my main concern is producing enough to last me a year and i have been doing that just fine. but i would also like to produce as much as possible in the space i have.

1g per kwh so run 1000w for 70 days at 12 hours per day is 840g

not factoring in the veg time but the longer you veg. should give you more yeild. so the veg. time influences your final gpw.


so many factors will affect the final outcome. once you are getting a somewhat consistant yeild with your set-up, then work on ways to improve it. you may need to change the ventilation, humidity, lighting, watering and feeding schedule and amounts, temp., genetics, growing medium, growing style (topping, supercrop, lst, vertical, etc)
 

Alexander Supertramp

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If you harvest and cure enough bud to easily have enough without running out until next harvest. Then thats a great harvest! LOL As many have said though its a tough question to answer. Round about way to answer is .5gpw is the midway point I guess. Anything less would be a bit disappointing and anything over would be encouraging. Consistent 1gpw plus and you got things clicking in your garden....
 

bleuballz

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i need to start thinking of ways to increase my yeild with my same lighting set-up. the high temps in summer make heat my problem with getting lower yeilds.

for me, i would like to get 2oz per plant right along with 1 gpw. so i am working towards dialing this in.

my main concern is producing enough to last me a year and i have been doing that just fine. but i would also like to produce as much as possible in the space i have.

1g per kwh so run 1000w for 70 days at 12 hours per day is 840g

not factoring in the veg time but the longer you veg. should give you more yeild. so the veg. time influences your final gpw.


so many factors will affect the final outcome. once you are getting a somewhat consistant yeild with your set-up, then work on ways to improve it. you may need to change the ventilation, humidity, lighting, watering and feeding schedule and amounts, temp., genetics, growing medium, growing style (topping, supercrop, lst, vertical, etc)
I hear that! I quit growing indoor in the summer because of the temps.
The only way I can have a year long stash, is to
grow outside in the summer. I can't touch 1 gpw
indoor. Too much $ to keep everything cool.
 

Shaggn

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The proper answer is any yield that exceeds the cost of buying it off the street. For example if it costs you $200 to run a cycle, and that means all supplies, hydro etc, and your end result is an oz. Then i'd say find a dealer. I don't think i've ever heard of anyone having it that bad. That being said, It also all comes down to risk/reward/environment. As already stated and probably the best answer being, if your harvest can supply you till your next harvest!! Sounds good to me. I personally get way more than I need off my 600, so my overhead goes to friends in need. Peace!!
 

ArcticGranite

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Great posts, thanks for the replies! The perspectives are great. I did hit a couple benchmarks then. Form that one plant on my first grow I did reap enough to not run out before next harvest. And I don't have growing plans in the near future. I know- I'm a bud-lite dude. It just tips me over. If I consider the cost of my first grow as the light, bulb, tent, timer, nutes, trimmers, loupe, and cost of kwh my set-up and run cost roughly half of what I would have spent to buy it outright. Nice ways of looking at it.
 

tibberous

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OZ per plant doesn't tell you anything except how big your plants were. I could get 16oz per plant if I wanted to veg them 9 months in 55 gallon buckets - wouldn't be at all efficient.

1g/watt is about perfect - even .75g/watt is pretty good. Keep in mind too that gpw is actually gpw * time. .75g/watt with 8 weeks of flowering is better than 1g/watt with 12 weeks of flowering - at least in terms of power consumed.

And none of this makes a difference unless your to the point where power is your limiting factor. Most people aren't wanting to put 30, 1000 watt bulbs on there residential service, for fear of drawing attention (cooling also starts to get really hard)
 

BustinScales510

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Ive grown with 600s and 1000s. With 600s it was a great run if I averaged 3/4 lb per light,and with 1000s a great run would be 1.5 lbs per light. Another thing to consider when gauging yield by gpw is quality. I bottom trim a lot of lower growth off mine. Having a bunch of fluff and popcorn screws up the bag appeal if any of it is going elsewhere. So 1gpw might be attainable for some ( 2.25 pounds off a thousand is bonkers) but that pound will look raunchy if you leave all the smalls and shake in there. That obviously doesnt matter if its all just for your own stash though.
 

tibberous

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Ive grown with 600s and 1000s. With 600s it was a great run if I averaged 3/4 lb per light,and with 1000s a great run would be 1.5 lbs per light. Another thing to consider when gauging yield by gpw is quality. I bottom trim a lot of lower growth off mine. Having a bunch of fluff and popcorn screws up the bag appeal if any of it is going elsewhere. So 1gpw might be attainable for some ( 2.25 pounds off a thousand is bonkers) but that pound will look raunchy if you leave all the smalls and shake in there. That obviously doesnt matter if its all just for your own stash though.
Unless your tossing in whole branches that fluffy crap won't add enough to matter. Added benefit to taking clones right before flower as opposed to having dedicated moms.
 

kpmarine

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OZ per plant doesn't tell you anything except how big your plants were. I could get 16oz per plant if I wanted to veg them 9 months in 55 gallon buckets - wouldn't be at all efficient.

1g/watt is about perfect - even .75g/watt is pretty good. Keep in mind too that gpw is actually gpw * time. .75g/watt with 8 weeks of flowering is better than 1g/watt with 12 weeks of flowering - at least in terms of power consumed.

And none of this makes a difference unless your to the point where power is your limiting factor. Most people aren't wanting to put 30, 1000 watt bulbs on there residential service, for fear of drawing attention (cooling also starts to get really hard)
I have one major hangup with gpw, I have never seen someone factor in anything other than their lights. This could be a pretty good yardstick if all your grow related wattage was accounted for. .5gpw from just 1,000w of light in soil is a whole different world than 1gpw from 1,000w of light, a chiller, A/C, CO2 generator, hydro equipment, and the like.
 

SimonD

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I have one major hangup with gpw, I have never seen someone factor in anything other than their lights. This could be a pretty good yardstick if all your grow related wattage was accounted for. .5gpw from just 1,000w of light in soil is a whole different world than 1gpw from 1,000w of light, a chiller, A/C, CO2 generator, hydro equipment, and the like.
Heh, I have no chillers, no AC, no CO2 generators, no hydro equipment, no pumps. Just lights and fans. With all that in mind, my yield just went way up! :) Simon
 

ilikecheetoes

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did anybody mention strain choice? I have a Big Bud running SOG that does 20+oz on a 2x4 tray. I have some Fire OG that only does 12oz. I'd rather smoke the Fire any day....
This is really an irrelevant topic unless you compare all the variables. Some people veg for 8 weeks. I veg for 0. I dont think theres any way to say what a good harvest is per plant or per anything. to many variables. It would be nice to find a good way to quantify but I dont see how. the kw per hour sounds interesting. Since I dont veg i run more crops through but they are smaller. I like not having months worth of chance for things to grow wrong and i dont like all the upkeep on monster plants. Its a trade off. Maybe how much per sqft/kw h per year or something lol

I think the best solution is to make sure all YOUR shit is dialed in and then monitor what you are pulling per plant. Then tweak. I'm notorious for cutting to early because i have another batch of clones ready to go in. I can gain a few more ozs by going another week or 2. raise your PH a little. Lower it a little. Set your lights higher or lower. Chill your res. add co2. See what the babys really like. Its a long process of a few (many) runs. If you run hydro see if you can make it a full 8-10 week cycle without ANY problems. Embarrassingly it was probably a year or 2 of growing before I stopped having at least one water or light "incident" during a cycle. that shit matters.

anyway i blathered on because im waiting for my wife... and stoned.
 

Jogro

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I'm asking because although I've read posts I haven't understood all I've seen. My question is what are the generally accepted measures of a good yield. eg
2 oz per plant? 1 gram per watt of light? 1 gram per kwh expended? So what are some accepted parameters and what yields are considered poor, fair, excellent? OK, that was multiple questions. Thanks.
Its complicated.

Yield per plant isn't very helpful, because plants can range is size from 12 inch high single-cola plants that yield half an ounce to 4 foot high several foot wide monster SCROGs with 64+ tops that yield nearly a pound each.

As a very first bare rule of thumb, if you're running an efficient commercial-style setup, yes, your target might be 1 gram yield per watt, but note that strain matters here, as, of course does setup.

Some strains will give you higher yields of lower-potency bud. Is that really what you want?

Some strains may give you high yields, but will take long flowering times to get there. Again, is that really what you're after?

I'd say the best way to measure/express the efficiency of a grow system is yield per watt per unit time (yes, you could use yield/kWh), though in practice, most people don't do it that way. You also have to take into account energy used in cooling, ventilation, and running hydro systems, and again, lots of people don't.

In general, I'd say these sorts of measures are more important to professional cash-croppers and for bragging rights.

If you're just growing for personal use, does it really matter if you get 0.8 grams per watt, or 0.6 grams per watt? Of course if you can maximize yields with any given setup that's great, but ultimately, as long as you are generating enough buds to maintain your supply and you're not tremendously wasteful of energy, then you're doing fine.

Also, I'd add that in GENERAL, the bigger the setup, the more efficient its possible to be. Its a lot easier to yield 1 g/w under a 600w HPS in a big room than it is under 2 23W CFL lamps in a small box. High efficiency setups also typically grow large numbers of the SAME type of plant (maximizing nute, harvest, and other efficiencies), use hydroponics (which tend to increase yields over soil) and use sea-of-green or extensive trellising systems to improve yield. Pro growers will also run the same strain again and again, so they are totally familiar with it and know how to max yields.

While all of these things can be done on a smaller scale, that doesn't mean they "need" to be. For example, there is something to be said about trying to grow different strains in sequence, just to gain experience in growing and smoking them, rather than trying to max efficiency with the same strain.
 
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