Yields when starting seed outside

TWS said:
I don't think you'll find one grower in here that is worth their salt to agree with this, but hey, to each his own. lol

I can drop a seed and plug a clone at the same time. Guess who's head is above soil first ? the seed in 7 or less days.
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i was talking a fully rooted clone vs just popped seedling..
 
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cuz you figure if you drop a seed 1/4 inch half inch into wet soil its gonna take 3/6 days to pop.. a clone is gonna need about a week to.ten days to be rooted enough to plant the clone takes longer to root then the seedling takes to break soil. so the way im gping at it will be fairest starting point cuz it would be first real day of veg
 
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theexpress said:
cuz you figure if you drop a seed 1/4 inch half inch into wet soil its gonna take 3/6 days to pop.. a clone is gonna need about a week to.ten days to be rooted enough to plant the clone takes longer to root then the seedling takes to break soil. so the way im gping at it will be fairest starting point cuz it would be first real day of veg
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Fairest starting point is when you start putting the beans in the soil, and putting the cuts in the plugs. seeds may pop in 3-6 days, but it can take them another 3-6 days to establish their first root sets. The fairest starting point is where some one Starts- haha. What you call day 1 of veg for either is an entirely different story.

And I have a comparison going of seed vs clone right now. They are neck and neck (not same strains, just a general comparison). In the years of comparing same strain growth seed vs clone I noticed many differences between how the two grow, and how clones of different strains change/react differently after the cloning process. Something that has been consistent over the years- Clones have produced less yield consistently, in side by side comparisons with equal treatment to their kin.

I do have to agree that I have noticed with some strains- that the clones do actually veg faster. Interestingly enough, on these same strains, they often times stretch less during flower than their seed stock sisters, and the flower size is smaller than the seed stock sisters which vegged for the same amount of time. Something that does make a difference also is the quality of clone that is taken, meaning plant health at cutting time and place taken from mother as these will determine the genetic output of the cut that is taken.

Without getting too technical- There is Tons of info out there, perhaps not directly relating to seeds vs clones, but all of the info of growing seeds and clones can be compared. My answer to the question of which is better or would I rather run- both. They are different. When I want an orange I eat an orange, when I want a lemon I eat a lemon. There is no definitive truth, everything is premised on subjective criteria.
 
Igrowmyown said:
i'd love for you to post this on icmag in the outdoor section ... The onslaught would seriously be fun to watch.
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lol i dont care what u think or say or wtf ever... i know for a fact clones veg faster then seedlings inside outside wtf ever a clone could be big enough to flower and yield ok in as little as 2/3 weeks after a fully rooted clone is put under veg light. in like 2/3 weeks from seed you have like your first set of 5 fingered leaflets ...
 
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theexpress said:
lol i dont care what u think or say or wtf ever... i know for a fact clones veg faster then seedlings inside outside wtf ever a clone could be big enough to flower and yield ok in as little as 2/3 weeks after a fully rooted clone is put under veg light. in like 2/3 weeks from seed you have like your first set of 5 fingered leaflets ...
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And what happens after that? :D
 
Root mass : I know both can be massive. Clone or seed. The way it was explained to me that clones do not have a central main tap root and tend to grow more shallow and out more as opposed to a seed. I would venture to say that between the two Root mass will be equal.
 
TWS said:
Root mass : I know both can be massive. Clone or seed. The way it was explained to me that clones do not have a central main tap root and tend to grow more shallow and out more as opposed to a seed. I would venture to say that between the two Root mass will be equal.
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The clones are easy to tell from the seeds- the clones are older than the plants from seed, different strains- Seedling plants grew Way faster, denser, clones stretched to keep up and were stringy- look at differences in stalks- clones are half the size of from seed- leaf size also smaller, 2/3-3/4 the size of those from seed. vigor, resilience, tolerances- all notable better from seed.

Clones obviously on the back left.
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Indoors I Prefer clones to seed . I hate having to pop seeds to fill a cab . They are just out of control. I would rather vegg up the seedlings and clone them and then flower them to slow them down a bit .
 
TWS said:
Indoors I Prefer clones to seed . I hate having to pop seeds to fill a cab . They are just out of control. I would rather vegg up the seedlings and clone them and then flower them to slow them down a bit .
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I agree with this for the most part.
 
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theexpress said:
lol i dont care what u think or say or wtf ever... i know for a fact clones veg faster then seedlings inside outside wtf ever a clone could be big enough to flower and yield ok in as little as 2/3 weeks after a fully rooted clone is put under veg light. in like 2/3 weeks from seed you have like your first set of 5 fingered leaflets ...
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still stand by this...
 
mikeykrinshaw12 said:
The clones are easy to tell from the seeds- the clones are older than the plants from seed, different strains- Seedling plants grew Way faster, denser, clones stretched to keep up and were stringy- look at differences in stalks- clones are half the size of from seed- leaf size also smaller, 2/3-3/4 the size of those from seed. vigor, resilience, tolerances- all notable better from seed.

Clones obviously on the back left.
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diffrent strains i take it
 
Seeds take less energy, overall, to generate usable herb. You can put it out into the soil immediately.

There is no risk of transplant shock.

No electricity spent to veg indoors.

No special potting mix needed.

No need for a dedicated space indoors.

There may be a need for culling males, if you want sinsemilla.

You will need to learn how to select breeding stock.

You won't get the exact same herb every time.

Like every decision in life there are consequences. There are so many variables when cloning or direct seeding that trying to get someone to agree that one is better than the other is like trying to convince someone why chocolate is better than vanilla. It's a preference based on individual situations.

I don't know enough about breeding to stop using clones. My seedlings seem to pop up and put out roots through the root plugs faster than the clones put out roots.

I haven't experimented direct sowing outdoors yet. I like the idea of not using electricity or buying any fertilizers or amendments.

So many ways to grow, just trying to maximize quality and minimize costs.
 
theexpress said:
diffrent strains i take it
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I have had many discussions with you over the forums- and you have seen some of the same strains seed vs clone- The result is the same for me.

You are just as stubborn and prideful as always. Still over all the years, never seen YOUR grows- just dank you get from others.
 
mikeykrinshaw12 said:
I have had many discussions with you over the forums- and you have seen some of the same strains seed vs clone- The result is the same for me.

You are just as stubborn and prideful as always. Still over all the years, never seen YOUR grows- just dank you get from others.
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your fucking retarded.. ove hundreds of pics all over this site.. you must have me cpnfised with someone else..
 
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