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ebcrew

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Spider farmer sf 1000 (2x2x4) 18" from canopy

2 plants both Jack Herer (sprouted December 2nd)

Soil: all purpose Garden soil by miracle grow in solo cups (I know it's all I had at the moment) however transplanted into happy frog

Transplanted from solo cups into happy frog on Dec 20.

pH of soil and runoff 6.5-7.0

Fed only once before realizing MG soil probably had slow release nutes. Fed general hydro trio 1mL each per gallon and 2mL calimagic

They started showing this right around time of transplant maybe a few days before and i honestly can't put my finger on it. I was thinking it was a pH issue but pH seems fine. I've been only watering with straight distilled water pHing the water to 6.5 now. Fly strips are just a precaution but no bugs I can see.
 

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Don't ph distilled water. There are no ions in it so there is nothing to balance so it technically has no ph. Only ph if you are adding nutrients.

I think you're giving your plants ph up with every watering for no reason and it's building up in the soil so your ph is too high.
 
Don't ph distilled water. There are no ions in it so there is nothing to balance so it technically has no ph. Only ph if you are adding nutrients.

I think you're giving your plants ph up with every watering for no reason and it's building up in the soil so your ph is too high.

Yes I have been messing with the pH of distilled water but it was pH down (white vinegar) to bring it down from 7.0 to 6.5

I know testing run off some people say is useless but runoff has been around 6.7
 
Distilled H2O has no calcium or magnesium. The water is where this comes from not the soil. Adding calmag is required with distilled or RO water.
 
Also using distilled or RO water without adding something is bad for roots. So in say hydro you would see really bad things. The soil is likely adding enough PPM to prevent that but still pure H2O is not the way to go.
 
Since you have the calimagic I would give them 5mL per gallon every watering if planning to stick with the distilled H2O.
 
Since you have the calimagic I would give them 5mL per gallon every watering if planning to stick with the distilled H2O.

Unfortunately I'm stuck with distilled water , my tap water is unacceptable. 5mL it is, looked like magnesium def. to me but wasn't sure.
 
5mL of the calimagic per gallon. And if it was coco I was add 1 - 1.5 grams of epsom salt as well. Thats how I treat my RO thats at 2 - 3 PPM.
 
5mL of the calimagic per gallon. And if it was coco I was add 1 - 1.5 grams of epsom salt as well. Thats how I treat my RO thats at 2 - 3 PPM.

What do you think about the general hydro nutes with the MG soil transplanted into happy frog. Only feed when showing signs of def or feed 1/4 strength?
 
My main concern would be overfeeding, nitrogen in particular. I haven't used either type of soil so I dunno how hot they are. You may wanna let the Happy Frog exhaust some of it's feed before adding anything and then you may not wanna add much nitrogen depending how far along you are in flower at that point. So if you just go by what the plants ask for you should be good.

When bottle feeding plants in soil that has nutritional value the main concern is over feeding. When you start bottle feed, you switch from not wanting runoff that blows the limited supply of nutes out of the soil to requiring runoff to prevent buildups.
 
With the GH nutes the micro has a lot of nitrogen. It also has all the micros. You may not want to use the grow. Go more lucas with the Micro and Bloom and the calimagic for the distilled h2o.
 
With the GH nutes the micro has a lot of nitrogen. It also has all the micros. You may not want to use the grow. Go more lucas with the Micro and Bloom and the calimagic for the distilled h2o.

Great stuff I think I have all I need from those posts!
 
Spider farmer sf 1000 (2x2x4) 18" from canopy

2 plants both Jack Herer (sprouted December 2nd)

Soil: all purpose Garden soil by miracle grow in solo cups (I know it's all I had at the moment) however transplanted into happy frog

Transplanted from solo cups into happy frog on Dec 20.

pH of soil and runoff 6.5-7.0

Fed only once before realizing MG soil probably had slow release nutes. Fed general hydro trio 1mL each per gallon and 2mL calimagic

They started showing this right around time of transplant maybe a few days before and i honestly can't put my finger on it. I was thinking it was a pH issue but pH seems fine. I've been only watering with straight distilled water pHing the water to 6.5 now. Fly strips are just a precaution but no bugs I can see.
What is the light schedule?
 
Yes I have been messing with the pH of distilled water but it was pH down (white vinegar) to bring it down from 7.0 to 6.5

I know testing run off some people say is useless but runoff has been around 6.7


Either way, it's probably the problem. Measuring runoff indeed means nothing, and your soil ph might be 3 right now. You could scoop some soil up and make some mud with it and measure that, or use a soil ph meter, but the runoff is totally useless.
 
I have had that issue several times. Yellow spotty leaves and sometimes crispy. After just paying attention to it, turns out it was a couple of things. I would avoid feeding the transplant anything. I give the plant a chance to see what they can find in the soil. I Do not feed them for at least 2 weeks. I use half filtered half tap ph 6. When i did use happy frog i always use powdered dolomite. Combined With the soil, the plant usually get everything they need with that combo for awhile. other reason i found happened to be transplant shock.

I found the only way to correct it fast in soil is to use plain water on the next feed and continue that for 2 weeks. foliar spray with ph spring water about twice a day. Give the plant at least 4 hours down time a day. you will see a change in about 4 days.
 
Miracle grow is also very heavy, so you might be over-watering, even if you added a lot of perlite. I always have to use way more perlite with miracle grow than with any other potting mix.
 
Either way, it's probably the problem. Measuring runoff indeed means nothing, and your soil ph might be 3 right now. You could scoop some soil up and make some mud with it and measure that, or use a soil ph meter, but the runoff is totally useless.

Soil slurry tested ~6.7 also forgot to add that
 
Soil slurry tested ~6.7 also forgot to add that

That should be fine. The roots are mostly still in the solo cup full of miracle grow, since you just transplanted. My guess is overwatering plus transplant stress. Overall they look very healthy so I wouldn't worry.
 
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