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UncleBuck
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that is what serino kept pressing zimm to answer, and no answer was ever given.
serino kept asking zimm: what enraged martin? he has no record, no history of violence, he was running from you, what could have possibly set him off?
it's not provable, but i can only assume that zimm tried to grab martin and detain him. those assholes were always getting away, and he wanted to show the cops how good a partner on the force he would make. martin tried to fight his way out, zimm snapped (as he is known to do).
there's really no other way to explain why martin didn't just run away again.
SirGreenThumb
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Yea, I used to feel that way also. But that was when I was in my mid-teens. But even during that time of my life, you have to physically lay your hands on me before I just randomly start beating the shit out of you. I seriously doubt Z grabbed him, simply because he took that measure, he was prepared to fight. Hence he would have gotten at the very least a few licks in.
UncleBuck
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you have a fantastic imagination.Lets consider what Ms. Jeantel aka Diamond() says to be real, and Z ran up to TM and said "what are you doing around here?" Is it to hard to just say, even at the worst, I LIVE HERE MOTHER FUCKER!? It is very unlikely that Z grabbed him then took a beating just to shoot him. To have that much foresight is inconceivable for Zimmerman.
murder 2 doesn't require foresight, it just requires ill will.
martin was under no obligation to say hi.
in fact, if the obligation fell to anyone, which it did not, it would be on the neighborhood watch guy.
UncleBuck
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zimm wasn't trying to beat anyone up, he just didn't want those assholes getting away. fucking punks.
SirGreenThumb
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I have no history of violence or record either. But I have gotten into plenty of fights that could have been considered assault. Just because there is no record, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Did you happen to see where the prosecution tried to bring up Zimmermans past by talking about his domestic violence, and him assaulting a police officer? It was automatically redirected, and both the cases were dropped against him.
Orlandocb
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Would you like to take a guess at who was a teen?
UncleBuck
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pleaded down is not the same as dropped.
zimm has a long history of violence, getting too involved, and snapping.
martin has no such history of that whatsoever.
martin ran away, zimm followed with his loaded gun.
who's the aggressor again?
dumbass.
SirGreenThumb
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And rightfully so.
What would you do if you found the kids that stole your plants or whatever they stole from you. Bet you would rather those assholes didn't get away, those fucking punks.
UncleBuck
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no one has any right to detain anyone else who is not committing a crime.
martin was committing no crime, zimmerman had no right to detain him.
your analogy fails once again. you should just abort your attempts here.
desert dude
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I certainly agree that Z has brought most of these problems on himself. He should have given the cops a very simple statement and then lawyered up. There is a lesson in there for all of us. Don't talk to the cops; nothing good can come of it.
The news accounts were all predicting that Ms. Jeantel's testimony was pivotal. Her testimony was rehearsed and mechanical. She lied about several things. She did not strike me as trustworthy. The "creepy ass cracker" statement hurt the prosecution badly as it gives a very plausible motive for Martin to assault Zimmerman. Unless the prosecution has other tricks up their sleeves then they are done.
I obviously don't agree that Martin tried to run away because he didn't. He could have easily been safely inside his father's girlfriend's house and Z would never have known where he went. Martin played a bigger role in this train wreck than Z.
The extent of Z's injuries, post facto, are not nearly so important as what he "reasonably believed" at the time the skull-banging was being administered. The people who make the "reasonableness" judgment are the jury. A broken nose, and multiple lacerations to the back of his head caused by a ground and pound sounds life threatening to me. Remember, you don't have to die before you are allowed to use lethal force to defend yourself.
The biggest problem the prosecution faces is the murder 2 charge itself. The burden to prove that strikes me as insurmountable.
SirGreenThumb
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Quoting you: let's just enter in a youtube video for evidence.
Have you ever even handled a firearm? I used to own that piece of shit gun (Keltek 9mm), and that noise over the call sounds nothing like it being cocked. Actually, I'm surprised that gun even fired, as most ammo fed through it jams.
Orlandocb
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He barely looked like he got love tapped. And little lacerations on the back of his head can just mean he fell. If you've never seen the damage of someone getting their head bashed in the concrete well look it up because it doesn't just leave lacerations.
desert dude
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No, the charges were dropped. That was stated during today's testimony.pleaded down is not the same as dropped.
zimm has a long history of violence, getting too involved, and snapping.
martin has no such history of that whatsoever.
martin ran away, zimm followed with his loaded gun.
who's the aggressor again?
dumbass.
SirGreenThumb
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I guess we actually listened to the trial and he couldn't manage to comprehend.
desert dude
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Serino himself referred to Zimmerman's injuries as "marginally life threatening". In saying that, Serino was trying to downplay Z's injuries, yet he acknowledged that Z's injuries were life threatening. Lots of people have been killed with one punch. Some pro football player is in jail as we speak because he punched some guy outside a bar a few days ago and the guy is in a coma as we speak. What is going on with football players?
If you assault someone and punch them then stand by to receive some hot lead.
Consider this. Suppose Martin had assaulted a cop in the same way he assaulted Z? The cop probably would have shot him ten times and it would have been a righteous shoot.
UncleBuck
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you're just proving how dumb you are now.
how is walking home with skittles analogous to stealing plants out of someone's back yard?
learn what an analogy is next time before opening your mouth and removing all doubt.
SirGreenThumb
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So true.
And somehow people have seemed to forgotten that after Z was taken in he was released and not charged with anything. It was only when people started making a big stink about it being racially charged when he was arrested.
UncleBuck
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if you had bothered to listen to the interrogations, you would know he was just inducing zimmerman to talk.
zimmerman's own doctor the next day did not call them marginally life threatening, she called them scratches. the biggest being less than an inch.
i've received worse scratches while pulling weeds out of my garden.
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