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cannadan

cannadan

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Just like in the past
It will be up to the patients again to make or break this program.....
and we will overcome.......
Koot you like anyone in this community, should know that offering up free meds to another sick patient ,is another "community" members way of dealing with
the injustice, that most of us medical patients have had to endure since becoming patients...it is an appreciated offer and sentiment that we have all felt ,when feeling frustrated over this issue....
 
Kootenaygirl

Kootenaygirl

Active Member
Your right Cannadan, and I get the frustration that is felt over the injustice.

I get that he is doing it from a good place in his heart.

It is just that hurting one segment of the population to help another is not compassion, it is denial.

I might have even let that go, but I also think that wannabe LP's are misunderstood bunch and are taking the blame for stuff they had no hand in.

I just call them how I see them. What is the problem with LP's? Can't patients just take them or leave them?
 
cannadan

cannadan

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to most of us koot LP's are part of the problem in so much as they support the changes being forced on the patient...
they don't all have a big heart like you.....your passionate,that I get.....your also riding the fence on a lot of issues that others are definitely not...
Can also respect that....
But
There were lots of simple solutions for any problems the MMAR may have been showing ,none of which were even attempted.... instead the lobby was to go straight to profiteering
by virtue of the HST, HST on wages/consultants, HST on all the supplys/power/water/materials,HST on analysis /delivery/ HST on HST to the tune of billions.....
and thats the bigger picture fellow patients..
 
buckaroo bonzai

buckaroo bonzai

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Kootenaygirl said:
........ for fear of the feds.....
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Same feds you got up there kootygurl....

their in every nation and state in the world.....

federal = nWo

the us cia moved to Colorado right before all this started....just sayin-

looks bad up there from down here--eh?

least Marc Emory will be out soon -A?

have you ever smoked Colorado erb?

yech!

hydro chem warehouse erb--no leggs


peace....A? :bigjoint:
 
buckaroo bonzai

buckaroo bonzai

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user hidden said:
you are quoting prices for "recreational" smokers and add 26% tax on that.
for medical in Colorado it is cheaper and a much lower tax rate.

they are being treated differently in this new model.
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Actually the medical patients are paying 250$oz +2.9% tx

the recreational users are paying 400$oz + 25% + 2.9% =28% sales tx

they can't tax medicine......they tax the sale---go figure

they tax you when

-ur born
-you die
-buy somthing
-sell somthing
-give somthing
-get somthing
-improve your house
-own ur house
-drive ur car
-eat ur food
-children
-shit
-drink
-breath

anything to do with life and living.....definately tax things that make you healthier or allow your life to be better


Or if your a politician or uber rich doner you don't pay any tax and you live by different laws than the peasants(us)

Dumb numbies isee driving across country here to buy smokes when they can grow it in their yard--

they got everyone so controlled by fear and their neighbors-:wall:

Just what the nazis did--hmmm....de ja vu
 
WHATFG

WHATFG

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It's almost like the only people jumping onboard the LP train, are those who stand to make a profit. I think that's what chews my ass so much. I just can't get my head around paying someone top dollar for something I can grow in my back yard or indoor greenhouse. Wouldn't it be nice if we could all stick together and give the Harper government a collective finger?? I will bet that there are not many people signed up and I wouldn't believe any of the 3 already licensed LP's if they told me otherwise. I think there are people who have already given up and gone back to pills, there are some who are going to participate, there are people who are waiting to see what happens, and then there are those that simply will not give up the rights that have already been given to them. Since marihuana can't be patented, it will never be in the compendium and therefore never covered. I don't hate the wannabe LP's, I just don't like what they support.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Kootenaygirl said:
Can't patients just take them or leave them?
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Legally? There's no choice. That's the problem.

And just because there are laws doesn't mean they are worth following. The government is literally 100% of the time corrupt so why give a corrupt institution more power? Regulations are routinely used to subvert the legislative process as well so they are by definition utter horse shit in a country that's democratic in principle.
 
Kootenaygirl

Kootenaygirl

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What I meant was that no one is forcing LP's down non growers throats, there were no legal choices then, and now for the first time, a legal choice is available for non growers. You can still buy/get from the grey for a while, then back to black if you choose to, "take them or leave them".

Sorry to be unclear, the right to grow your own was always the best legal choice for those that were able and willing, we are all upset that that has been taken away.

I agree with you about all laws are not worth following. The government has had 100% of the power and still does, MMPR power shift, not IMO, could you explain more.

I believe in peaceful civil disobedience and if I were not trying to become an LP, I would "protest grow" as a "martyr for marihuana" and face those consequences, head held high, wearing it like a badge of honor. Me, dubious1, Martyg, in cuffs, on TV, in our fake wheelchairs, getting roughed up by a swat team in riot gear, oh, in another life.

But I have chosen another way to move marihuana forward in our society, which by it's very nature, excludes me from being illegal. I encourage everyone to take up the cause of full legalization from what ever angle or tact is most effective for them. It will be cries for legalization from all directions that will rattle the politicians cages enough that those votes might matter.

Next election, I hope you all switch to sativa for the day and vote. I am proud to say that I have voted in every election I was allowed to, thanks dad.
 
Kootenaygirl

Kootenaygirl

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It is time to start judging LP's individually on their own merits.
Some no doubt love the fact that personal growing is banned, and shame on them.
Some are in it only for the money, shame on them too.
We are in it to provide the very best marihuana to patients, and make a legal living too.

Look at LP's...
How many sqft? .....more than 10,000, I think is big pharma, our collective enemy.
Who owns the business? ..... if it is anybody but the head grower, they are in it for the money.
What does their website say? .... does it respect marihuana, or does it match strains to ailments in a sterile clinical setting. For the money!!
How much do they charge for pot?... as much as they can get? Any help for the financially unstable? Self explanatory.
Who are their experts? ......never seen a cannabis plant before? big pharma IMO

We will start small and grow to support our family, nothing more nothing less. Can't wait to unveil the website, you'll see, we are not all the enemy, in fact the vast majority that have posted here are small/ farmer owned and operated family businesses. I just hope the other 250 apps are not big pharma.

I don't like bigpharma, but I also don't think marihuana will let them succeed, we are not growing wheat, and marihuana has way to many facets. She suits the small grower in almost every way.
 
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patg73

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Look at LP's...
How many sqft? .....more than 10,000, I think is big pharma, our collective enemy.
Who owns the business? ..... if it is anybody but the head grower, they are in it for the money.
What does their website say? .... does it respect marihuana, or does it match strains to ailments in a sterile clinical setting. For the money!!
How much do they charge for pot?... as much as they can get? Any help for the financially unstable? Self explanatory.
Who are their experts? ......never seen a cannabis plant before? big pharma IMO

Hey Koot, have to challenge you on this part.

- We're 120,000+ sf and we're definitely not pharma... Many areas have buildings on the cheap right now. Given the requirements for power, hvac etc etc usually the larger buildings already have it.
- Who owns the business..I have to say that I disagree here. I've met many growers lately and they're amazing growers but poor business people. They only understand the growing aspect but growing is only about 25-30% of the business. Investor relations, marketing, Finances, customer service, QA, SOPs etc etc is something that they don't think about or don't think is even an issue. I think growers (not all, but most) should have a stake in it but shouldn't run it IMO. Too be honest, most growers (that I know) that are trying to be an LP can not even raise the $$. The ones that have and submitted an application are having the application kicked back to them by HC. So much more to this business then growing mj.
- Certain strains do help certain ailments. There's proof of that
- $$ being charged..I agree with you here but any new business needs to be able to do more then survive or just get by.
- Who are the experts..again, ill agree with you here in terms of the growing BUT having doctors or nurses on your team is a desired thing. People in the medical field will be able to properly assess whether or not the MMJ is working for the patient. Doesn't make them pharma. We're bringing doctors on our team/investors because we want to be sure that we're doing to most that we can for our patients.

Please don't take this the wrong way but just because someone isn't going at it like you are doesn't mean they're bad or pharma. Spending this much time defending the mmpr or your business strategy has no real value to you. Just creates a pissing match ;)
 
mojoganjaman

mojoganjaman

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Kootenaygirl said:
It is time to start judging LP's individually on their own merits.
Some no doubt love the fact that personal growing is banned, and shame on them.
Some are in it only for the money, shame on them too.
We are in it to provide the very best marihuana to patients, and make a legal living too.

Look at LP's...
How many sqft? .....more than 10,000, I think is big pharma, our collective enemy.
Who owns the business? ..... if it is anybody but the head grower, they are in it for the money.
What does their website say? .... does it respect marihuana, or does it match strains to ailments in a sterile clinical setting. For the money!!
How much do they charge for pot?... as much as they can get? Any help for the financially unstable? Self explanatory.
Who are their experts? ......never seen a cannabis plant before? big pharma IMO

We will start small and grow to support our family, nothing more nothing less. Can't wait to unveil the website, you'll see, we are not all the enemy, in fact the vast majority that have posted here are small/ farmer owned and operated family businesses. I just hope the other 250 apps are not big pharma.

I don't like bigpharma, but I also don't think marihuana will let them succeed, we are not growing wheat, and marihuana has way to many facets. She suits the small grower in almost every way.
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I've been a quiet reader here for a bit...the more you post in this area the more I doubt your sincerity...you abhor those who will profit, but you state you want to make a profit...which is it????


basically..."you doth protest too much"...so share with us if you would...how much profit does it take to make a living..and still not profit....;)



mojo
 
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iSMOKEGAS

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patg73 said:
Hey Koot, have to challenge you on this part.

- We're 120,000+ sf and we're definitely not pharma... Many areas have buildings on the cheap right now. Given the requirements for power, hvac etc etc usually the larger buildings already have it.
- Who owns the business..I have to say that I disagree here. I've met many growers lately and they're amazing growers but poor business people. They only understand the growing aspect but growing is only about 25-30% of the business. Investor relations, marketing, Finances, customer service, QA, SOPs etc etc is something that they don't think about or don't think is even an issue. I think growers (not all, but most) should have a stake in it but shouldn't run it IMO. Too be honest, most growers (that I know) that are trying to be an LP can not even raise the $$. The ones that have and submitted an application are having the application kicked back to them by HC. So much more to this business then growing mj.
- Certain strains do help certain ailments. There's proof of that
- $$ being charged..I agree with you here but any new business needs to be able to do more then survive or just get by.
- Who are the experts..again, ill agree with you here in terms of the growing BUT having doctors or nurses on your team is a desired thing. People in the medical field will be able to properly assess whether or not the MMJ is working for the patient. Doesn't make them pharma. We're bringing doctors on our team/investors because we want to be sure that we're doing to most that we can for our patients.

Please don't take this the wrong way but just because someone isn't going at it like you are doesn't mean they're bad or pharma. Spending this much time defending the mmpr or your business strategy has no real value to you. Just creates a pissing match ;)
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When do you plan on getting the license? 2016?
 
Kootenaygirl

Kootenaygirl

Active Member

  • "how much profit does it take to make a living..and still not profit."

    I'm not sure what you mean, you make your living from the profit. I want to profit enough to put my kids through college, and retire at 65 or so. I want to pass this business down to my kids. I want a stable financial future. How much? I don't know. Maybe you could tell me what I need to earn.

    I want the people who handle the marihuana to make the money, enough for a comfortable living, and not be paying the big money investors who will always take their profits first, never letting the benefits of production reach the end users. Farmers will pass this down, investors will expect more and more each quarter.

    Choose who your buying from carefully, and it will benefit marihuana and patients, if not and the cheapest mass produced pot wins, we all lose.

    Hey Pat, not trying to create conflict here. Just call it like I see it. You help little old ladies and I like that!

    You have scientists, with doctors and lawyers investing in 120,000 sqft. Where I come from there are no buildings that big, period. Sorry Pat, but your Big pharma by definition, congratulations. We seriously considered the big money route that the MMPR favors, but decided that we wanted total control of our own destiny. It was more about control than it was a moral decision I will admit.

    Few growers I know could do this all, agreed, but we are beginning to see the emergence of the new wholesale market, which could put all these growers back in the game again, if they would just wake up some time soon.

    When I kick Big Pharma, it is from a "what is good for marihuana" stand point, nothing personal, big pharma was unavoidable and I don't blame investors, I wish the talent would not sell out, but that was just human nature. I hope you have it set up so that all the business leaches are removable over time, and that you will be able to pass the benefits production growing can offer directly to the patients. I fear that big pharma that does this will be a truly rare breed.

    The growing is only 25-30% of the business because you are big pharma. The growing will be upwards of 75% of the business in my tiny niche. There is a lot to this business and it all hangs on how well you grow marihuana.

    The last people I would look to for advice about cannabis is Health Canada, after that it is the doctors, if your looking for money on the other hand. You don't need doctors to tell you how your marihuana is working. Huh!

    To take a little of my own advice, I promise to judge big pharma(s) on a case by case basis, like I wished for all LP's.

    Certain strains for certain ailments, not in my experience, nor of the experience of our well read Compassion Club owner. What works for one doesn't work for the other, he proved it in blind tests. You need to match the strain to the patient not the ailment. What is the proof?

    You think I am defending a business model, not at all, I am defending marihuana, your model will likely crush mine over time and a few large gardens is not nearly as good for marihuana as a bunch of little ones. If you look at the money, then I would wish for that to stay in the cottage industry, and not just into a few hands too. Not bad people, bad for marihuana, people are people, if I was an investor, marihuana would look good to me too.

    The MMPR is what it is, I am just dealing with, not defending it. Small wannabe LP's, I do defend because I think we are the only people that the pissed off can find to yell at, and I don't think it is fair. You Pat are among the few Big Pharma's that have posted here and I like the info you bring to the table, it scares me but I like it and probably need to hear it. We don't have to spread marihuana the same way, I am just glad your spreading it at all. Seems to me that we are all lucky to have such a nice representative as you. Plus I am sure you could pee farther then me. lol.    ​




 
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