Increasing WEIGHT

lilroach

lilroach

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The best way to put on weight on a plant is to stay away from nutrients that say they help doing so. High P and no or little N (bloom foods) will actually lower weights as they deprive a plant of nitrogen. You want something that's balanced.
 
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kermit2692

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Lilroach you must be confused...in flowering, plants need much less nitrogen and more pk but the yield enhancers don't even have much pk anyway its usually magnesium that's heavy in those..btw feeding too much nitrogen in flower can cause the plant to herm
 
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kermit2692

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I've heard good things about advanced nutrients overdrive..going to give it a shot, even the people saying all the bud enhancers are useless also said this is still the one they would use..
 
ThorGanjason

ThorGanjason

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I've used gh's koolbloom, but now I'm using hydroplex (botanicare) and it is the shit. It has tons of micros too, molybdenum and boron and stuff. Also tons of magnesium in it.

But honestly, nutrients will definitely help weight (especially the right ones) but I think factors like air, Light, keeping the plant healthy, training (that's a big one) etc.. Are much more important. Once you get everything else dialed in, start working on pounding the nutes. That's what I've done, and it's working out really well for me this most recent grow.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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kermit2692 said:
Lilroach you must be confused...in flowering, plants need much less nitrogen and more pk but the yield enhancers don't even have much pk anyway its usually magnesium that's heavy in those..btw feeding too much nitrogen in flower can cause the plant to herm
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He's not confused.

I use currently a 5-4-3 with added P and K, some Si and mono Ca and Mg when required.

I used to use a 6-3-8 from start to finish but too much K was hindering the uptake of Mg.


I average over 400g from my 400w setup.

N during flower does not cause Hermies. Nute burn and deficiencies can cause the stress thàts required to develop male nanas.

How can healthy green leaves and stress free plants HERMIE?



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Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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There are a myriad of products out there that say they will increase your yield in one way or another.
I'll bet they all work in one way or another to a POINT! I make a slight increase in P&K at week 4 of flower (longer for Sativa's), then again with 2 weeks left before wash.
Any supplement with a N value of 0 and "high" P&K's are intended to be added during these "last" 2 weeks of flower (the bulking phase). If one were to get too excited by the makers claims and begin use of one of those earlier.......You WILL get a yellowing out of the leaves starting with the lower stem leaves and continuing up the plant and out the branch's. This ends up doing more harm then good in the end result. Some of the very high P&K supplements are intended to be used sparingly - far more then the maker says to in my opinion. Anything in the range of 0-50-30 might be used once a week in those final weeks. Far more of the nutrient remains in the soil then you may think....so using something like that at every feeding is simply making the soil toxic....

Try some.....Be careful!
 
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kermit2692

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I agree some n is needed and your start to finish nute was believably an issue with the high k from the beginning but I mean its a common fact that a plant uses more nitrogen in veg and more pk in flower so I really was addressing him calling n "bloom foods" when most bloom bases contain less n than p and k with k being most prevalent..to much n in a flowering plant can cause a herm wether possible by overfeeding any nute or just overfeeding n was not something I disputed its just alot easier to overfeed n than anything else in flower
 
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Dr. Who

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kermit2692 said:
I agree some n is needed and your start to finish nute was believably an issue with the high k from the beginning but I mean its a common fact that a plant uses more nitrogen in veg and more pk in flower so I really was addressing him calling n "bloom foods" when most bloom bases contain less n than p and k with k being most prevalent..to much n in a flowering plant can cause a herm wether possible by overfeeding any nute or just overfeeding n was not something I disputed its just alot easier to overfeed n than anything else in flower
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An interesting assertion on the need of N in veg vs. bloom.....I say this because there are several nutrient companies that do increase the N in their base nutrient system for bloom. But the P is lower and K is equal to N......The increase in the P&K doesn't come in until week 4 and the N remains the same due to it being in the "base".
Also I put forth the point that the "herming" from any type of feeding either over or under is caused by the "stress" of the plant and not as the nutrient it's self.

Uh Oh,,,,Blinded by science (now I won't get that damn song out of head).....sorry, just thought I'd add my 2 cents.
I do not intend to offend!
 
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SSHZ

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Too much N in flowering can delay flowering and make the plant too "leafy"......most people stop using enough N too early in flowering and the plant's health suffers because of it. Many experienced growers continue to give flowering plants a shot of N weekly (i.e. high N bat quano or fish fertilzer) until late in flowering for overall plant health.
 
jondamon

jondamon

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SSHZ said:
Too much N in flowering can delay flowering and make the plant too "leafy"......most people stop using enough N too early in flowering and the plant's health suffers because of it. Many experienced growers continue to give flowering plants a shot of N weekly (i.e. high N bat quano or fish fertilzer) until late in flowering for overall plant health.
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Sorry to disagree with you but I run a higher N formula start to finish 5-4-3 in coco. I have used 6-3-8.

You've only got to look at my started threads or even the link in my signature to see what happens with a higher N formula.

The only thing I do from about week6 of 12/12 is slower taper off the EC of nutrient mix, as a flowering plant enters the later stages of flowering its demand for nutrients actually decreases.

Higher N in flower doesn't trigger more leaf growth. At least not in my experience anyway.



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JohnnySocko

JohnnySocko

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I swear by all things holy I've read and read and read until my eyes bleed and ya know what, If I had to bet my life on 1 sure fire regime its maxibloom all the way from seed to finish..I just witnessed 2 grows (3 if you include my experiment) that yielded MAX zips using nothing else...
buy whatever additives snake oils or whatever you want, but for my money I'd stick with a simple 1 or 2 part regime (pick your brand) and leave it at that...

and TBH I'm currently experimenting with a PK booster at weeks 3-6....we'll see
 
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