Has the EU had enough of Israel?

Jimdamick

Well-Known Member
This week Britain, France, Italy and Spain summoned their ambassadors from Israel, to express their angst at the 1800 plus new settlement homes to be developed in the West Bank that was announced earlier during the week. Today, Israel responded by asking those same EU members to send their ambassadors to their government offices to express their beliefs that this is an example of " a perpetual one sided stance that is unacceptable", "an imbalance and bias against Israel, that doesn't promote peace" and the final line of total bullshit spoken by that scumbag nation was that, " acting like this over a few houses was hypocrisy" To complete this absurdity, Israel's PM Netanyahu, then stated "This imbalance and bias against Israel does nothing to promote peace" Like he really gives a shit about peace with the Palestinians, who he drives further into the Ghettos every day. It seems that the day is approaching, at least in the EU, that the sympathy towards Israel is coming to an end. The EU will enact laws soon that will require all produce grown on the occupied lands in Israel to be labeled as such. That I believe is a good start, to let the consumer know whether they accept the continued abuse of the Palestinian people, or support that apartheid POS nation. Tune in next week, for further news on the abuse of the Palestinian people. And no, I don't hate Jews, just Zionists who will end up destroying Israel IMO. What do you think, is Israel right about being abused, or are they just cocksuckers? Peace out
 

Jimdamick

Well-Known Member
Until the Palestinians cease their attacks they have no credibility.
What the fuck attacks are you talking about? Those bottle rockets from Gaza that hit nothing, where the reply from Israel is F15's that eradicate villages? Maybe nothing personal, but fuck you.
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
What the fuck attacks are you talking about? Those bottle rockets from Gaza that hit nothing, where the reply from Israel is F15's that eradicate villages? Maybe nothing personal, but fuck you.
I honestly don't follow any of the politics over there so I have no dog in this fight. But if Mexico was bombing our borders, I'd imagine we'd respond with superior weaponry to say "see? now quit that".

No idea if that's the case here or not. But when a country is fired upon first, the retaliation doesn't need to be of equal or lesser value.
 

beenthere

New Member
What the fuck attacks are you talking about? Those bottle rockets from Gaza that hit nothing, where the reply from Israel is F15's that eradicate villages? Maybe nothing personal, but fuck you.
Please tell me you are fucking joking right?
I don't understand you two frothing at the mouth over some one with just a difference of opinion.
Pretty much undermines your stance.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
This week Britain, France, Italy and Spain summoned their ambassadors from Israel, to express their angst at the 1800 plus new settlement homes to be developed in the West Bank that was announced earlier during the week. Today, Israel responded by asking those same EU members to send their ambassadors to their government offices to express their beliefs that this is an example of " a perpetual one sided stance that is unacceptable", "an imbalance and bias against Israel, that doesn't promote peace" and the final line of total bullshit spoken by that scumbag nation was that, " acting like this over a few houses was hypocrisy" To complete this absurdity, Israel's PM Netanyahu, then stated "This imbalance and bias against Israel does nothing to promote peace" Like he really gives a shit about peace with the Palestinians, who he drives further into the Ghettos every day. It seems that the day is approaching, at least in the EU, that the sympathy towards Israel is coming to an end. The EU will enact laws soon that will require all produce grown on the occupied lands in Israel to be labeled as such. That I believe is a good start, to let the consumer know whether they accept the continued abuse of the Palestinian people, or support that apartheid POS nation. Tune in next week, for further news on the abuse of the Palestinian people. And no, I don't hate Jews, just Zionists who will end up destroying Israel IMO. What do you think, is Israel right about being abused, or are they just cocksuckers? Peace out
so youre not anti-jew, just anti-zionist. what a clever* distinction.
you must be so superior to all the racist hatemongers who share your rhetoric and your goal of lifting/cleansing this illegitimate regime occupying jerusalem for the pages of time.



*retarded.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/16/opinion/how-palestinian-hate-prevents-peace.html?_r=0

lets all watch the loving kind and peaceful palestinian children's shows:











you can live next door to jews, even zionist jews, and not worry about them.

you can NOT live next door to moslem fundamentalists.

they will try to force you to accept their bullshit, every fucking chance they get.

and if you are a jew, they will try to kill you.
 

echelon1k1

New Member
I'm glad that terrorist prick Sharon kicked the bucket. Gotta grab me a 40 and pay my respect to his grave...
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
The Israeli's are committing the horrible act of constructing buildings and Palestinian terrorists are shelling the population of Israel.

Someone needs to get their priorities straight.

FYI, if push comes to shove I put money on Israel leaving a mark...
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
Israel is an illegal nation in violation of at least 50 UNSCR.
england is an illegal nation violating the sovereignty of irelan scotland and wales.

america is an illegal nation violating the sovereignty of the native americans.

france is an illegal nation, violating the sovereignty of the basques

australia is an illegal nation violating the sovereignty of the aboriginal australians.

iran is an illegal nation violating the sovereignty of the persians and zoroastrians

etc etc etc

eat a dick. the ottoman empire LOST, and britain got the levant as a forfeit.

the brits decided to sell it to the jews, the jews bought it up, and re-established their homeland.

all the squatters and land theives who were living there got the boot to the west bank (given by israel to jordan in exchange for jordan not attacking them) and gaza (given to egypt in exchange for egypt not attacking them).

jordan and egypt violated their deals, tried to beat the jews and lost, they also lost their territories in the levant, and later when peace talks won out, jordan and egypt DIDNT WANT THAT SHIT BACK.

israel is stuck with those dog turds clinging to the bottom of their shoe. if they decide to scrape it off with a stick, or turn the hose on full blast and wash the shit off their shoe, thats israel's choice.

if they decide to put that dogshit in the dirt, and plant roses, thats their choice too,

the dogshit has no say in the matter.
 

NorthofEngland

Well-Known Member
I'm left wing - but I support Israel and feel they are held to a far higher standard than their Arab neighbours.

After WW2 the Jews should have been allowed to choose which ever part of Germany they wanted to call the Jewish Homeland
But it didn't happen like that and there's no going back.

Sometimes they do things that seem harsh by the standards of Europe or USA BUT they're surrounded by MILLIONS of people who want them DEAD.

Not 'want them to accept our equality' or 'accept our right to co-exist'.
MANY ARABS WANT THE JEWS DEAD!!!
Disproportionate Response stops making sense when you consider those facts.

How can you show a response that's DISPROPORTIONATE when you're surrounded and massively outnumbered by entire nations that long for your death???

LONG LIVE ISRAEL.
 

NorthofEngland

Well-Known Member
england is an illegal nation violating the sovereignty of irelan scotland and wales.

america is an illegal nation violating the sovereignty of the native americans.

france is an illegal nation, violating the sovereignty of the basques

australia is an illegal nation violating the sovereignty of the aboriginal australians.

iran is an illegal nation violating the sovereignty of the persians and zoroastrians

etc etc etc

eat a dick. the ottoman empire LOST, and britain got the levant as a forfeit.

the brits decided to sell it to the jews, the jews bought it up, and re-established their homeland.

all the squatters and land theives who were living there got the boot to the west bank (given by israel to jordan in exchange for jordan not attacking them) and gaza (given to egypt in exchange for egypt not attacking them).

jordan and egypt violated their deals, tried to beat the jews and lost, they also lost their territories in the levant, and later when peace talks won out, jordan and egypt DIDNT WANT THAT SHIT BACK.

israel is stuck with those dog turds clinging to the bottom of their shoe. if they decide to scrape it off with a stick, or turn the hose on full blast and wash the shit off their shoe, thats israel's choice.

if they decide to put that dogshit in the dirt, and plant roses, thats their choice too,

the dogshit has no say in the matter.
Stop making shit up and posting it as history!

UK didn't sell PALASTINE.
The Jewish Irgun and Stearn Gang groups forced us out with highly effective terrorism/freedom fighting

Many Brits were against colonialism for centuries.
In the 1780s the most popular colours on the streets of London were Beige and Blue - to show support for the American Revolutionaries.
In 1948 Ghandi visited Northern England where he was greeted like a conquering hero
HE WAS - He'd conquered the British Elite.

And sympathy for the Jews was massively widespread.

Just because someone belongs to a country doesn't mean they share the values of its government.
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
Stop making shit up and posting it as history!

UK didn't sell PALASTINE.
The Jewish Irgun and Stearn Gang groups forced us out with highly effective terrorism/freedom fighting
what a fascinating assessment of history. lets take a peek behind the curtain and see what really happened:

1 ) In 1917, Britain issued the Balfour Declaration:

His Majesty’s Government views with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
The Mandate for Palestine included the Balfour Declaration. It specifically referred to “the historical connections of the Jewish people with Palestine” and to the moral validity of “reconstituting their National Home in that country.” The term “reconstituting” shows recognition of the fact that Palestine had been the Jews’ home. Furthermore, the British were instructed to “use their best endeavors to facilitate” Jewish immigration, to encourage settlement on the land and to “secure” the Jewish National Home. The word “Arab” does not appear in the Mandatory award. [SUP]11[/SUP]
The Mandate was formalized by the 52 governments at the League of Nations on July 24, 1922.
(~www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ easily verified by using your googles on the key phrase "Balfour Declaration")

2 ) the British Mandate covered all of the levant, including the territory now known as The Hashemite Kindom Of Jordan, (a new entity created by churchil as a consolation prize to the house of saud for their dubious assistance against the ottoman empire in ww1)
heres the first few provisions of that law:

ARTICLE 1. The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.
ARTICLE 2. The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self*governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.
ARTICLE 3. The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.
ARTICLE 4. An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co*operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co*operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
ARTICLE 5. The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.
ARTICLE 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co*operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ARTICLE 7. The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

churchill's creation of an arab trerritory inside the Mandatory territory of the levant to appease his political allies was unlawful.
this resulted in butthurt from various jewish organizations who had been buying up land from arabs and the brits alike, in preparation for immigration to their new homeland.


3 ) churchil engaged in the ancient playground tradition of "take-backs" and welshed on the deal laid out in the mandate (see above) with this scandalous rag: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/British_White_Paper_of_June_1922.html
and instituted strict controls and limits on jewish immigration, while ignoring massive unlawful arab immigration into this nascent state as is described in the Hope-Simpson commission report: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/hope.html .

4 ) as the end of the Mandatory period drew to a close, arab factions declared their intention to create an ARAB MOSLEM STATE in the levant, while the jews were predictably unhappy with the british double crossing them on a deal that had consumed massive amounts of jewish monies from around the world, and had resulted in massive butthurt among the jews who were rapidly being surrounded by invading arabs, each one of whom was claiming ancient rights and heritage, as soon as they stepped off the boat or camel that brought them to the levant from parts unknown.

5 ) when the mandatory period ended, arabs threw a riot, intending to establish dominance over the jews. the jews responded, and that response was "disproportionate" and quite successful, the arabs were overthrown, and israel became a nation, despite britain's dastardly and underhanded doublecross.

now you know,
And Knowing Is Half The Battle.
 

Jimdamick

Well-Known Member
I honestly don't follow any of the politics over there so I have no dog in this fight. But if Mexico was bombing our borders, I'd imagine we'd respond with superior weaponry to say "see? now quit that".

No idea if that's the case here or not. But when a country is fired upon first, the retaliation doesn't need to be of equal or lesser value.
I would like to know where you live, that the problems "over there" don't affect you. The last time I looked, Israel, or it's politics were center stage on what was one of major problems facing the world today, as far as instability in the Middle East was concerned. You apparently, or the lala land that you exist in, feel none of that urgency it seems. I guess ignorance is really bliss in your case.
 

ginwilly

Well-Known Member
I would like to know where you live, that the problems "over there" don't affect you. The last time I looked, Israel, or it's politics were center stage on what was one of major problems facing the world today, as far as instability in the Middle East was concerned. You apparently, or the lala land that you exist in, feel none of that urgency it seems. I guess ignorance is really bliss in your case.
I'm not saying the issue doesn't affect me, I'm saying I'm not well versed enough on the subject to give an informed opinion. I consider Israel a friend and I also listen to arguments from the Palestine side. If what Israel claims is true and most evidence points to it as true, that Palestine is daily bombing, I have no issue with them flexing muscle back.

I honestly don't know of the politics over there to pick a side, but I do feel very strongly that Israel should be allowed to defend herself in anyway she sees fit. I would prefer to stay out of the business of another sovereign nation.

My thoughts on it in a nutshell would go something along these lines. Iran as a sovereign nation has every right to pursue nuclear advancements, Israel as a threatened sovereign nation has every right to stop them from it. The two state conflict is so convoluted and complicated that I wouldn't feel right in making anything other than general observations.

I want the US and the UN to let Israel off the leash, take that to mean I don't give a shit if you must.
 

Jimdamick

Well-Known Member
what a fascinating assessment of history. lets take a peek behind the curtain and see what really happened:

1 ) In 1917, Britain issued the Balfour Declaration:
His Majesty’s Government views with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
The Mandate for Palestine included the Balfour Declaration. It specifically referred to “the historical connections of the Jewish people with Palestine” and to the moral validity of “reconstituting their National Home in that country.” The term “reconstituting” shows recognition of the fact that Palestine had been the Jews’ home. Furthermore, the British were instructed to “use their best endeavors to facilitate” Jewish immigration, to encourage settlement on the land and to “secure” the Jewish National Home. The word “Arab” does not appear in the Mandatory award. [SUP]11[/SUP]
The Mandate was formalized by the 52 governments at the League of Nations on July 24, 1922.
(~www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ easily verified by using your googles on the key phrase "Balfour Declaration")

2 ) the British Mandate covered all of the levant, including the territory now known as The Hashemite Kindom Of Jordan, (a new entity created by churchil as a consolation prize to the house of saud for their dubious assistance against the ottoman empire in ww1)
heres the first few provisions of that law:

ARTICLE 1. The Mandatory shall have full powers of legislation and of administration, save as they may be limited by the terms of this mandate.
ARTICLE 2. The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self*governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.
ARTICLE 3. The Mandatory shall, so far as circumstances permit, encourage local autonomy.
ARTICLE 4. An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co*operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co*operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
ARTICLE 5. The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.
ARTICLE 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co*operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

ARTICLE 7. The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

churchill's creation of an arab trerritory inside the Mandatory territory of the levant to appease his political allies was unlawful.
this resulted in butthurt from various jewish organizations who had been buying up land from arabs and the brits alike, in preparation for immigration to their new homeland.


3 ) churchil engaged in the ancient playground tradition of "take-backs" and welshed on the deal laid out in the mandate (see above) with this scandalous rag: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/British_White_Paper_of_June_1922.html
and instituted strict controls and limits on jewish immigration, while ignoring massive unlawful arab immigration into this nascent state as is described in the Hope-Simpson commission report: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/hope.html .

4 ) as the end of the Mandatory period drew to a close, arab factions declared their intention to create an ARAB MOSLEM STATE in the levant, while the jews were predictably unhappy with the british double crossing them on a deal that had consumed massive amounts of jewish monies from around the world, and had resulted in massive butthurt among the jews who were rapidly being surrounded by invading arabs, each one of whom was claiming ancient rights and heritage, as soon as they stepped off the boat or camel that brought them to the levant from parts unknown.

5 ) when the mandatory period ended, arabs threw a riot, intending to establish dominance over the jews. the jews responded, and that response was "disproportionate" and quite successful, the arabs were overthrown, and israel became a nation, despite britain's dastardly and underhanded doublecross.

now you know,
And Knowing Is Half The Battle.
So all the bullshit from the past makes it ok to fuck the Palestinians today? That seems to be what your point is. Well, thankfully most of the world today disagrees with you.
 
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