obama /clinton union.

[blonddie07]

Rapturous enough for you?

israelinsider: politics: Is Barack Obama a Muslim wolf in Christian wool?

I'm sure we'll find out soon enough without a rapture. Even with the media lovefest embargo over every lie he tells.

EDIT: I'm not a Christian. What the fuck do I care about the Rapture?

LOL ... the israeli insider?? your kidding me right? i hope you know israel doesn't like obama due to his policy of "bringing troops home"...

They praise mccain.

Getting news from an Israeli source against obama is just stupid. you know what your going to hear....tooo biased..

I personally dont like either obama, or mccain...but RON PAUL!!!!!!!

Look at this repetative bullshit... ( i wanna be president, he wrote i wanna be president.... he wrote i wanna be president...)

In kindergarten, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled 'I Want to Become President.'"Iis Darmawan, 63, Senator Obama's kindergarten teacher, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. He wrote an essay titled, 'I Want To Become President,' the teacher said." [AP, 1/25/07]

Three years later, in 1971, Obama enrolled in the Besuki Primary School, a government school, as Barry Soetoro, Muslim. In third grade, Senator Obama wrote an essay titled 'I Want To Be a President.' His third grade teacher: Fermina Katarina Sinaga "asked her class to write an essay titled 'My dream: What I want to be in the future.' Senator Obama wrote 'I want to be a President,' she said." [The Los Angeles Times, 3/15/07]

 

[Johnnyorganic]

LOL ... the israeli insider?? your kidding me right? i hope you know israel doesn't like obama due to his policy of "bringing troops home"...

They praise mccain.

Getting news from an Israeli source against obama is just stupid. you know what your going to hear....tooo biased..

It is one example, but not the only example by any means.

Does that mean that all arguments from the opposition are stupid as well? Where else do you expect to see valid criticism of anything if it's not the opposition?

You can shout down arguments all day long by claiming they are from biased sources, but it does not further your argument. What is so wrong about following the link, reading the article, and addressing the points on their own merit?

 

[blonddie07]

well, see thats the sad part, both sides will criticize each other, and soon enough it gets so ridiculous that its just stupid....

one side will say "you suck..." the other side will say "no you suck, heres why".

IM just saying, ofcourse israel isn't going to be positive about obama because their against him being president, and its known that the news or any kind of informative website that chooses sides will come up with the most stupidest bullshit just to sway people away from a candidate..

Here is an example we ALL know: Marijuana is deadly, and now its more potent than ever, safegaurd your children! ....Now who came up with this one?

I dont know what thread i saw it in, but there was this post about how obama might not be a real american citizen due to the stamp on his birth certificate being a little faded... Now thats just being silly already..(It was by israeliinsider as well)

 

[Johnnyorganic]

well, see thats the sad part, both sides will criticize each other, and soon enough it gets so ridiculous that its just stupid....

one side will say "you suck..." the other side will say "no you suck, heres why".

IM just saying, ofcourse israel isn't going to be positive about obama because their against him being president, and its known that the news or any kind of informative website that chooses sides will come up with the most stupidest bullshit just to sway people away from a candidate..

Here is an example we ALL know: Marijuana is deadly, and now its more potent than ever, safegaurd your children! ....Now who came up with this one?

I dont know what thread i saw it in, but there was this post about how obama might not be a real american citizen due to the stamp on his birth certificate being a little faded... Now thats just being silly already..(It was by israeliinsider as well)

Where do you get your points to counter the argument that marijuana is deadly? I would wager it is a pro-legalization source.

Arm yourself with the knowledge that the source might be biased, but you impeach the evidence on its own merit. Once that is complete, you can dismiss that point only regardless of the source. If you see the point somewhere else, you will already know it's debunked because you checked it out yourself.

 

[blonddie07]

My point... = its all on opinion. If you choose to believe it true or not. Because NO ONE can proove it to be true...

As for Marijuana since u didnt get it...

Our government says marijuana is deadly, and very potent now compared to the past. It can kill with 1 puff!

We all here have smoked it, and are alive. Many politicians have smoked marijuana. ( now your going to say: "yes, see "you checked it your yourself")

IF your own government is lying to you about somthing, what makes you think they wont lie about other things.

BUT thats the way the world works...


its your choice if you want to base your facts on "israeliinsider"... But i dont.

Thats all im saying.

Prove this.. prove that.... facts... merit... bla bla bla....

All on opinion.



Anyway, i just want to understand where your coming from. do you believe this? are you saying that you base your facts on israelinsider?

I think we can both agree on the fact of if hes a big liar or not, till it happens? ( although i do think hes a big liar)

 

[Johnnyorganic]

I hope you don't accept something just because the government says it true. Any 'fact' is debatable regardless of its source. Government anti-drug mis-information is debunked successfully all the time.

How else would one prove a point without reason and source-able points? A unproven point is nothing more than an opinion.

I have not made up my mind on anything about that link I provided. I said as much before I gave it as an example.

I do not doubt Obama was born a Muslim and I believe I proved that point, but it is not enough for some so I added the link with a previously-posted caveat that I had not determined if Obama was a practicing Muslim in his youth.

If I do hold a belief based on something I read in that source, I would verify it myself. The fact that it was true it does not matter that it came from israelinsider. Not one bit. Otherwise you must believe that everything from israelinsider is untrue. Again, you cannot discredit a point by a blanket dismissal of the source as biased.

A quick review of my posts would lead one to believe that I do not rely exclusively on israelinsider. I cited it once as a response to the previous poster's 'rapture' comment.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

The number of racists that have been uncovered by this election is sad.

I agree. The Democrats have exposed themselves for all to see.

Vi

My discomfort with Islam is not racist. No more than other people's discomfort with Mitt Romney, a Mormon, was racist. Xenophobic perhaps, but not racist. I will not insult your intelligence by defining Xenophobia and Racism. I'm sure you own a dictionary.

Consider these quotes:

He who smelt it dealt it.

The smeller is the feller.

What was true in Junior High is true today. Here's a real good example:

Another thread was entitled https://www.rollitup.org/politics/83978-barack-obama-supports-marijuana-decriminalization-2.html. Please follow the link and tell me who introduced the idea that Barak Hussein Obama was a Muslim to this Decriminalization thread.

Answer: A very well-known Obama supporter.

Wishing to fully scrutinize a PRESIDENTIAL candidate is my perogative as a voter. Accepting the fact that Barak Hussein Obama was born a Muslim is not racist. However, denying the truth as a racially-motivated smear is race-baiting. Bigotry.

In the near future, the Obama Campaign will reverse its assertion that Obama was not born a Muslim. It is an indisputable fact that he was born a Muslim. They will instead focus on the question of whether is is a Muslim sleeper agent now. It will look like this, "Okay, he was born a Muslim, but not raised a Muslim." Only time will tell if this reversal comes before or after the election.

What raises questions in my mind is, why are Democrats so desperate to avoid such scrutiny? What are you hiding?

 

[natrone23]

I think your on to something Obama's a secret muslim, and he has this covert plan to take over the world and he is going to eat your children and sell you off to some islamic nuke factory and all americans will be speaking arabic....................................or his biological father was muslim.............i don't know its a hard one see Occam's razor

 

[Johnnyorganic]

I think your on to something Obama's a secret muslim, and he has this covert plan to take over the world and he is going to eat your children and sell you off to some islamic nuke factory and all americans will be speaking arabic....................................or his biological father was muslim.............i don't know its a hard one see Occam's razor

What is far more disturbing is the Obama campaign's willingness to lie. This is encouraged by the Obama-friendly mainstream media. Occam's Razor is a very appropriate concept here. The simplest explanation is that Barak Hussein Obama cannot be trusted.

• He was against granting immunity to telecom companies that aided our government in eavesdropping on telephone messages to and from known terrorist operatives overseas. Now he is for granting this immunity to the evil telecom corporations.
• Some time ago Obama said that he wholeheartedly supported the ban on the private ownership of guns in Washington DC. Then, after the Supreme Court came down with their ruling last week, suddenly Obama is a supporter of the people's right to keep and bear arms.
• Earlier this year Obama said that he was going to accept public financing of his presidential campaign after the convention. Now that he has seen he could get more money from private contributions than he would from public financing, he changed his mind.
• NAFTA? Barack was going to immediately renegotiate all of the evil NAFTA treaty. Now ... well, let's just say "not so much."

Neal Boortz boortz.com

What will your response be when they reverse their position on 'Obama was born a Muslim' issue?

 

[natrone23]

According to muslim theology Obama was born a muslim..........but according muslim theology muslim believe in alot ridiculous stuff........just because muslim belief says so does not make it true for the rest of the world. Why should anyone believe "muslim beliefs" over real facts ie. Can religious beliefs be transported through DNA.........................That is your argument " Muslim belief says that Obama was born a muslim

 

[VTXDave]

What is far more disturbing is the Obama campaign's willingness to lie.

Hey Johnny, did you see my post regarding Obama voting for continued funding of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan?
https://www.rollitup.org/politics/86620-war-funding-bill-our-democratically.html

So much for his "anti-war stance, yeah? Think the media (that just so happens to sport wood at the mere mention of Obama) will publicize his voting record on this?

 

[Johnnyorganic]

According to muslim theology Obama was born a muslim..........but according muslim theology muslim believe in alot ridiculous stuff........just because muslim belief says so does not make it true for the rest of the world. Why should anyone believe "muslim beliefs" over real facts ie. Can religious beliefs be transported through DNA.........................That is your argument " Muslim belief says that Obama was born a muslim

My theory is that Obama is denying the fact he was born a Muslim. My question is 'Why?'

Another fact is that Muslims believe it. That you don't believe it is meaningless. That's simply denial on your part.

I believe it and I'm no Muslim.

 

[natrone23]

so you would rather disregard the facts about religion being past down through DNA....................and accept muslim theology that states that fathers somehow pass there religion to their offspring through genes...............ummmmm you are starting to sound like muslim?

 

[natrone23]

"Another fact is that Muslims believe it"...................it doesn't matter what muslims believe. What matters is the truth, Do you believe that religion can be passed down through DNA? please answer that

 

[Johnnyorganic]

so you would rather disregard the facts about religion being past down through DNA....................and accept muslim theology that states that fathers somehow pass there religion to their offspring through genes...............ummmmm you are starting to sound like muslim?

I never disputed your statement about DNA and religion. It's irrelevant. DNA is science. Islam is not a science. It is a religion.

I simply said Muslims believe it. I believe Muslims believe it. You can call me a Muslim all day long, but I know I that, as an agnostic, I am an apostate according to Islam. Why is it appropriate for you to accuse me of being a Muslim, but I cannot extend the same courtesy to Barak Hussein Obama without censure?

"Another fact is that Muslims believe it"...................it doesn't matter what muslims believe. What matters is the truth, Do you believe that religion can be passed down through DNA? please answer that

The truth is that Obama was born a Muslin. The cries of 'smear' and 'racism' only raise more questions.

 

[VTXDave]

I simply said Muslims believe it.

And dogma is what fuels wars.

 

[Biggravy22]

holy pork rinds batman...I thought this thread was dead.

 

[medicineman]

Obamarama is on the move. all you anti Obama clowns will have to eat duki for at least 4 years. Get used to it, HAHAHEHEHOHO~LOL~. Take that Batman.

 

[ViRedd]

How can religion be passed genetically? We are born as free spirits and remain that way ... until corrupted.

Vi

 

[mockingbird131313]

In the next few days General Colin Powell will announce support for one of these candidates. He is personally meeting with both and interviewing them.

Does anyone believe the General will sway voters with his endorsement of a candidate?