travis - would it be okay if i pm you my pic?
Obstruction - The right's last option
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Pinworm
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The benefits are secksy, and delicious.right?..he doesn't know what i look like..i'm gonna send a pic to travis..those on team schuylaar get to know me
travisw is now under the protection of team schuylaar
..and the best part? beennowhere still doesn't know what i look like
Anyone who uses the strategy is guilty. If both teams are using it it doesn't really matter who originated it. I'm saying that bad behavior breeds more and worse behavior.
The Democrats obstructed things when Bush was president, especially judicial nominees. The Republicans have used exactly the same tactics against Obama. When the Democrats were doing it, the Republicans were saying "This isn't fair." When the Republicans did it, the Democrats said "This isn't fair." Both sides are childish and the entire debate is silly.
I'm not pointing fingers and pretending that both sides aren't guilty, though. You are. Likewise, I'm not pretending the president has any right to do anything, regardless of the party he belongs to. You are.
Pinworm
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You're not an idiot. You're a rather bright, guy, albeit sort of unpleasant. Tell me straight, man. Isn't a president's job to do what the people elected him/her for?
Aren't we just arguing about the use of the word "right", now?
UncleBuck
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...said the guy who claimed the bush tax cuts for the rich were not repealed, unaware of the complete ironic fail.
UncleBuck
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he's rewriting history.
the dems did not obstruct bush anywhere close to the level that the republicans have obstructed obama.
the little kid is forgetting that the republicans have been voting against tax cuts, 9/11 first responders, anti-violence against women acts, and any number of other bills that were their ideas in the first place.
devryU did not do him well.
Pinworm
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A DeeVRY Degree does not a pundit make.
The president's job is to fulfill his constitutional duties. Anything a president promises that can be fulfilled using the existing powers of the executive branch is fair game. Anything he promises that requires new legislation is subject to the will of congress, because the president may only propose legislation, not enact it himself. I agree that people who vote for a presidential candidate expect him to work toward the legislation he promises, but that certainly does not entitle him to succeed, because the constituency that elects the president is necessarily distinct from the constituencies that elect the congress. As a practical matter--by necessity--doing "what the people elected him/her for" means sucking up to congress.
The framers made the house the most powerful part of the government because it was the closest to the people. It still is. Whatever the president wants to do is mediated by the will of the representatives of hundreds of distinct groups of people. Those representatives are just doing what their constituents elected them to do.
UncleBuck
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they got elected after running on "jobs jobs jobs".
what have they done instead? abortion, abortion, abortion.
oh, and 47 meaningless votes on obamacare.
According to you, a claim that is not 100% true is a lie. The Bush tax cuts for the rich were not entirely repealed. Thus any claim that the Bush tax cuts for the rich were repealed is a lie, because they weren't entirely repealed. Again, your logic, not mine.
UncleBuck
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you are aware of the existence of record keeping and facts, right?
because you are lying through your teeth right now, just like your big bruvva, bigotedNpushy.
have fun following in his footsteps. i'll take mine without cilantro on toasted bread please.
Pinworm
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Fuck it. I want to dance with somebody. Dance with me, and I'll forgive your ugliness. Give me 3 Ponies.
Pinworm
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I'm fucking starving. Could really go for a meatball sub.
I never claimed the Democrats obstructed Bush "anywhere close the level" Republicans have obstructed Obama. I said the Democrats' obstruction of Bush empowered the Republicans to use the same tactics against Obama.
As for those votes, we've already discussed that there were principled reasons the Republicans could have voted against them. You told is it was all about racism.
Pinworm
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The party of "fiscal responsibility" blows 29 billion on a temper tantrum, and kills 1mil + jobs. Same party that ran on economic stability, and job creation. Icing on the irony cake.they got elected after running on "jobs jobs jobs".
what have they done instead? abortion, abortion, abortion.
oh, and 47 meaningless votes on obamacare.
Buck's jealous because I have a doctorate and actually have worked in his beloved government and on Capitol Hill.
Dr Kynes
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our system is designed so that a few congressmen, or ONE senator (or one president, or one judge) can stop a bill from becoming law, judges and presidents can even stop a fully passed law from being put in effect, and overriding that "obstructionism" requires a lot of work and a lot of votes.
the system is DESIGNED to resist change, for a damned good reason.
Barry Seotoro doesnt like that, and he wants his agenda passed.
he has his willing sycophants in the press to help him, and he is more than happy to send a thrill up their legs in exchange for their support.
a perfect example of Barry pushing his agenda when even dems dont want it is the first 5 years of budgets. The Immaculate One's budgets didnt even come to a vote in the senate, cuz Harry "The Little Prince" Reid blocked that shit.
Harry may be a deranged Marxist Oompa Loompa, but he wasnt gonna sink the economy with Barry's crazy ass schemes, so he ensured that the BOOoooOOoOoOOOsh budget came to fruition and the economy was back on the upswing before he let The Brahmin In Chief unleash his very special brand of economics on the nation.
If Harry Reid hadnt blocked Barrack The Unready's budgets, Bwana Obama would have been a bull in a china shop, and our Great Recession would easily have become a Major Depression.
Harry Reid deserves our thanks for doin his job, even though he did it for his own arcane reasons.
Yeah, you realize "jobs jobs jobs" doesn't mean the same thing to all people, right? To Democrats it often means more government spending, more government solutions; to Republicans it often means less government. So you shouldn't be surprised that the words meant totally different things to the different groups, should you?they got elected after running on "jobs jobs jobs".
what have they done instead? abortion, abortion, abortion.
oh, and 47 meaningless votes on obamacare.
Likewise, many of the Republicans in congress were elected promising to be stricter on abortion and promising to repeal Obamacare. They're trying to satisfy the people who elected them just as the president is trying to satisfy the people who elected him. They're not the same people, so obviously satisfying the people means rather disparate things.