so what i get from that link is,the smaller the plants,the better leds work?
Exactly, if you have the time for an extended veg for training to keep plants short led work great, BUT, give the same veg time and training to a hid and the hid will kill it. When you can only have a few plants do you want a little later or a lot now? Led will produce but it takes time and effort, hid grows quickly and effortlessly because you dont need to train near as much. You are growing a natural plant under a flouro, that plant flowered under a led wouldnt yield shit, you need to top it and train it to effectively use a led. Veg under a MH and your stems will be twice as thick and your plant will be half as tall with the same amount of nodes in half the time.
Let's be clear. I was always a hps guy. I have 2 400 and 2 600 hps systems. I like the led light. It does good for me and I have yet to flower which will say a lot when I do. I can just lol at you all day going back n forth but it would prove nothing. You don't like leds okay bye bye this thread does not need the negative vibes from you or any other hater/troll whatever.
Once again, comparing led to an inferior veg light(hps) is comical, thats what I am adding. All you led pros are light experts yet you all veg with hps, and then you all want to call people trolls when ur the guys posting in the hid section? Define troll for me please
200 watts of led will beat a 1000 watt hps in flower, pics of the side by side, gotta see this
Troll is someone who contributes nothing to a thread beside negatives.
What are you guys not understanding? You all compare vegging with led to vegging with hps, vegging with hps sucks so why compare the 2? You are saying how good the light is because it vegges as good as a shit veg light, thats like me saying my shit smells good because pig shit smells worse, they both smell bad. And then you call people trolls, HELLO, its the H.I.D section, you werent expecting hid guys to say your full of shit? Lastly, one more time, point me to the thread where 2 identical tents with identical clones in identical mediums with identical number of plants with identical veg times and training and identical number of lights where led even remotely comes close to the hid, as in the situation home growers with plant counts need to deal with. Do you guys honestly think that led will produce more bud in 1 year than hid while maintaining a legal plant count? Those should be easy for you because as you guys say those growd are like, everywhere.
Youre not missing anything, led grows bud just fine, as does cfl, im not saying it doesnt, the only problem I have with leds are the users that say they will beat a hid rig when they wont. Ask any good grower this simple question, you can grow 5 plants at a time, as many crops a year as you want, what light would you choose and they will all answer with a 600 or 1000 watt hid. Led has a place, led works fine, but it wont compare to hid given equal grow time.I think most of the problem with led is the accessibility to cheap panels. You have a bunch of budget grows trying to pinch some pennies and buy low quality led, then state they have tried LED and they suck.
i have never used anything other then led so at least i don't know what I'm missing right jbone
Phew that's what I was banking on! I don't need the best. I enjoy my California light work 400w and I just got a call today that they are sending me the 440w one that comes out next week!
you are the only one comparing to vegging. Its hype perpetrated by companies that makes you think you need mh in veg and hps in flower. When it should be the same full spectrum in veg and flower. The sun never changes spectrum. now you have nothing to contribute but hate and ignorance. You have never used led so you have no point of view. Until you have some gainful experience. Keep your negative thoughts to yourself.. Go back to your stone age mercury bulbs.
You and whiteberrywidow have both compared vegging with a led and a hps, YOU have several times, not once have you compared vegging with led to vegging with a metal halide, your inability to grasp the fact that plants grow completely different with mh vs hps tells a lot, your inability to remember that YOU were one of the people talking about vegging with hps tells even more, your inability to direct me to a identical grow where led beats/matches/comes close to a hid grow tells me the rest. You have 5 plants you can grow at a time, as many harvests a year as you want as long as you only have 5 going, what kind of light do you buy? HID, not led, and if you were too dense to pick the hid you would be buying a hid guys bud because hed have extra.
click on led section. Check all those thread. Your "inability" to grasp a simple concept as clicking the mouse or using google... Again you have no experience. I doubt you have any experience growing..
Once again, thank you for providing a video, I think everyone should go watch it and take note of a few things, what kind of light are they comparing led to? HPS, not MH, hps sucks for veg, how come they show the led side all lollipopped yet never show the bottom of the plants under the HPS side? Pretty sure I can make a video and show a 23 watt cfl destroy a 4000 watt hid grow. Like I have repeated many times, educate me and point me to the thread where led beats hid in an identical grow, but you cant because it doesnt exist. Why argue with my dumb/ignorant ass when all you have to do is provide a link on this forum with a side by side with identical veg times? Im a nobody who is clearly outwitted by you expert growers and should be shut up with a link and laughed at for being so dumb.
I'm just not sure someone needs to go through this much work (two separate grows) to prove to one person that LED's are good. Why don't you get a couple grand together, set up two identical grow rooms, and test the idea yourself? All lighting systems have pros and cons, and it is up to the user to maximize their grow's potential with what they've got. Lastly, plants under LED seem have different nutrient requirements, so there is no way the experiments could be exactly identical. There will probably always be a difference between the two areas, and some might attribute it to the lights(perhaps different wattages, or brand of LED panel used), but others might question the different nute regimes. Either way, your experimental results will always be questionable. There's no peer review here, and like you alluded, I could just treat the HPS plants like shit and force the LED to outperform. It's like arguing about evolution....in the end it doesn't matter what you think, the results are clear and speak for themselves. LED's work but they will require you to adapt your growing techniques to them, just like a cool tube setup for the HPS is adaptation to the intense heat.
Lol, I now believe 1 bad thing about leds, I think those pretty lights completely fuckin destroy the part of your brain responsible for reading comprehension, I wasnt the guy who brought up all the side by sides, I said provide a link so why would I need to invest a few grand to do the test myself when its already been done? What did I say that was derogatory toward led? Didnt I say they have a purpose and that they work great? As you and I have both said, leds work but you need to change your growing style, ie extended veg times and training so they are not comporable to hid because you can quickly grow a pound with hid with very little up front cost, very little training, a power increase that is hardly noticed and easily compensated for, and a short, simple veg. If everyone would talk about the positives of led and leave hid out of the conversation nobody would care. Led has an entire section, I dont post there for a reason. I have read hundreds of pages on led grows, I know they work, but if you are legal and have a set number of plants you can grow at a time and want the most production possible in a years time then its no contest, hid will win by a large margin, but if you want lesser yields and fewer harvest per year with a light that is more efficient at producing bud then led is the winner. Quit comparing led to hid and you will never see me post on the topic again or provide a link where veg times are the same and led produces more and is 40% more efficient and make me look like an idiot. One last time for good measure, leds work great, nothing bad to say about them, some of the led users on the other hand, have issues