Why So Many LED Haters?

[hyroot]

Watch your stems, you can not grow stems as fat as a MH with any other light and big stems support big buds. Veg is the base of your entire grow, good decision.

hahaha not even close to true again... Wow. Different strains will have different thickness of stalks and stems. Then veg time, training method. I get thick ass stems under induction / led. They grow far more uniform under my lights and fast. 2 months veg time they are huge. 4 feet tall. 15 -20 tops. Haven't started flower yet.

 

[Jbone77]

So any of you led guys grow in a 5x5, 4x4 or a 3x3? How long is it from the time you plant to the time you flip to 12-12, what is your harvest, what strain, and what is your light set up?

 

[hyroot]

So any of you led guys grow in a 5x5, 4x4 or a 3x3? How long is it from the time you plant to the time you flip to 12-12, what is your harvest, what strain, and what is your light set up?

11x5. 4-6 zips per plant. 1400 watts, 3 inda gro 420's with led pontoons. Cheese berry kush (my breed) , cheese og (my breed), northern lights #5 x sfv og, 2 months veg time. I got the same yield with par t5 / led and with 2 330w CMH when I had those lights.

I just picked up seeds at the camnabis cup 9 lb hammer, quantum kush, plushberry, jillybean, Jesus og x Scotts og, jillybean x mulanji gold, dire wolf. I expect 8-10 zips per plant with these. They are much bigger yielders than the strains I have.

 

[hyroot]

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you can't even see the stems of the 2 1/2 month ones. I never ever said 3 months...those were in veg. The ones in flower were 5 week veg. The ones in veg are 4 feet tall and 2 feet wide. With 20 + tops. . The 5 week vegged got huge rock hard buds. Only 3 plants were staked. That's because the buds were too heavy. That's the nlxog. I'm done with that strain. It gets 1-2 feet taller than my other strains but yields less.

 

[Scotch089]

Watch your stems, you can not grow stems as fat as a MH with any other light and big stems support big buds. Veg is the base of your entire grow, good decision.

Yes you can, any heavy blue light will stack similar to MH,.. and I have seen nodes under Cool White LEDs I have never seen with MH.

humm in veg i have 2 plants under 3000k led 3 watt diodes and their stems are 3x over the ones that are under cfl or quad led. its funny you said that. so they need to work on a veg spectrum to fatten stems. im sure the stems i have at 30 days from seed (23 days veg put in veg the day after they popped up)are not as big as yours. here it is. now this plant has a stem 2x - 3x bigger than ones under other lights. if we can all do a little research and submit it to the led panel makers they can make better panels for us. if anyone can do the same measure and what light they use we can compare and figure out the best spectrum.
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Okay... this is what I am talking about... misinformation, you are vegging under a 3000k light source, and complaining about stretch? Have you ever ran a heavy blue source... 6500k vs 2700k cfls, 800w CMH vs. 1000 HPS... the difference is night and day and you would know that.. Jbones had even just spoken to this, not to mention the years of documentation and proven results..

 

[Jbone77]

11x5. 4-6 zips per plant. 1400 watts, 3 inda gro 420's with led pontoons. Cheese berry kush (my breed) , cheese og (my breed), northern lights #5 x sfv og, 2 months veg time. I got the same yield with par t5 / led and with 2 330w CMH when I had those lights.

I just picked up seeds at the camnabis cup 9 lb hammer, quantum kush, plushberry, jillybean, Jesus og x Scotts og, jillybean x mulanji gold, dire wolf. I expect 8-10 zips per plant with these. They are much bigger yielders than the strains I have.

So in your youtube video where you say month 3 of veg you were not being truthful? Those are not in any way 4-6 oz plants in those videos . Watch the videos people, they say much more about his lights than I can

 

[hyroot]

So in your youtube video where you say month 3 of veg you were not being truthful? Those are not in any way 4-6 oz plants in those videos . Watch the videos people, they say much more about his lights than I can

the ones in flower were a 5 week veg. The ones in veg are 2/12 months. They will be 3 month in another week. They are not even flowering yet.. Re watch . The ones I have vegging is the first time I vegged that long except for outdoor. Prior to this harvest I had 3 perpetual batches. Now I flower 1 big batch at a time.

 

[Jbone77]

Yes you can, any heavy blue light will stack similar to MH,.. and I have seen nodes under Cool White LEDs I have never seen with MH.




Okay... this is what I am talking about... misinformation, you are vegging under a 3000k light source, and complaining about stretch? Have you ever ran a heavy blue source... 6500k vs 2700k cfls, 800w CMH vs. 1000 HPS... the difference is night and day and you would know that.. Jbones had even just spoken to this, not to mention the years of documentation and proven results..

Thanks, hyroot has been saying since page 1 hps is a superior veg light to mh and hps will veg a shorter tighter plant. Appreciate it.lol

 

[Jbone77]

the ones in flower were a 5 week veg. The ones in veg are 2/12 months. They will be 3 month in another week. They are not even flowering yet.. Re watch . The ones I have vegging is the first time I vegged that long except for outdoor. Prior to this harvest I had 3 perpetual batches. Now I flower 1 big batch at a time.

Absolutely not, but everyone else should

 

[hyroot]

Thanks, hyroot has been saying since page 1 hps is a superior veg light to mh and hps will veg a shorter tighter plant. Appreciate it.lol

I never once said That. I said hps will be shorter and tighter nodes in veg. Mh in veg will make them stretch more. The opposite in flower. Quit bullshitting.

 

[hyroot]

Absolutely not, but everyone else should

now that's jibberish. Another post that doesn't make sense.

 

[Scotch089]

Thanks, hyroot has been saying since page 1 hps is a superior veg light to mh and hps will veg a shorter tighter plant. Appreciate it.lol

Ive read the whole thing up and down,

Dont misinterpret what I said, Hyroot has a logic behind what he is trying to expalin- he and I had sat down some time ago and worked it out, frankly, Im thinking he just doesnt feel like wasting his time reiterating something, again. I think it is a known fact that a CMH will veg better than an HPS.....or i had thoght,

Hyroot knows that... but wants to know WHY and that's where he is coming from... he understands that Red light induces stretch in a certain phase, and also restricts height in another... versa for blue light. (now he and I still debate about blue light, BUT, the entirity of the effects from blue light are soooo far from being seen that until some real tests are done...[blue light instead of UV for resins in late 12/12 for a heavy example...] I dont have the article, but reading up on each individual wavelength goes a longgg way.

 

[DCobeen]

Yes you can, any heavy blue light will stack similar to MH,.. and I have seen nodes under Cool White LEDs I have never seen with MH.




Okay... this is what I am talking about... misinformation, you are vegging under a 3000k light source, and complaining about stretch? Have you ever ran a heavy blue source... 6500k vs 2700k cfls, 800w CMH vs. 1000 HPS... the difference is night and day and you would know that.. Jbones had even just spoken to this, not to mention the years of documentation and proven results..

im not complaining about stretch. i wanted them to stretch more so i raised the lights that is blueberry and will bush solid if i dont let her stretch and my node spacing is right where i want it to be. and I will fim for more tops.

edit i use 6500 cfl for seedlings and part of veg.

 

[hyroot]

Ive read the whole thing up and down,

Dont misinterpret what I said, Hyroot has a logic behind what he is trying to expalin- he and I had sat down some time ago and worked it out, frankly, Im thinking he just doesnt feel like wasting his time reiterating something, again. I think it is a known fact that a CMH will veg better than an HPS.....or i had thoght,

Hyroot knows that... but wants to know WHY and that's where he is coming from... he understands that Red light induces stretch in a certain phase, and also restricts height in another... versa for blue light. (now he and I still debate about blue light, BUT, the entirity of the effects from blue light are soooo far from being seen that until some real tests are done...[blue light instead of UV for resins in late 12/12 for a heavy example...] I dont have the article, but reading up on each individual wavelength goes a longgg way.

I just think 420nm slows growth in veg and flower. When Fran made the thread about melatonin last year. I then experimented with different wave lengths in the blue region. I found 440-460 nm increased the rate of growth compared to 420nm. Red does decrease stretch in veg. Blue regions decrease stretch in flower. Blue regions increase stretch in veg. Red regions increase stretch in flower. Heavy IR will induce stretch like crazy in flower and less in veg. That's what I've seen in all the different spectrums over the years. CMH veg's much better than mh. Imo higher cri will have better growth rates in veg and flower.

 

[Scotch089]

I just think 420nm slows growth in veg and flower. When Fran made the thread about melatonin last year. I then experimented with different wave lengths in the blue region. I found 440-460 nm increased the rate of growth compared to 420nm. Red does decrease stretch in veg. Blue regions decrease stretch in flower. Blue regions increase stretch in veg. Red regions increase stretch in flower. Heavy IR will induce stretch like crazy in flower and less in veg. That's what I've seen in all the different spectrums over the years. CMH veg's much better than mh. Imo higher cri will have better growth rates in veg and flower.

and there you Go ppl! Thank you root I couldn't quite figure out how to put it in words.. I actually still have that thread subbed just for that tidbit. I do think mixing these in the right amounts plays into this quite a bit but breakin down ah nm is where to start building

 

[*BUDS]

if you veg a master kush and super lemon haze for same amount of time and veg and flower in optimum conditions. The super lemon haze will be 3 times larger of a plant than the master kush. The haze will yield to 4-5 times more than the master kush... Its a well known fact sativas veg faster and yield more than indicas but with a longer flower time. That's one example of genetics determining yield. With organics you will only get a big yield if the strain is a big yielder.


by your logic all strains yield the same which is simply not true. 12/12 from seed even proves that more so.

every post you made, aside from instigating arguments. Was either completely false or doesn't make sense. If you actually have grown mj you would know all that. Therefore you have no experience growing. That's what I mean by its obvious that you have zero experience.



@ SCOTCH. On the UL thing. EH said he is getting ul certs. He was sending the light in a few days to get tested. That was almost a month ago when he had said that

Strange how professional growers keep using hot ,expensive to run 1000w HID when in your opinion they can get just as much weight with leds, you must be smarter than 95% of growers.

 

[DCobeen]

See what happens when they take "Like" away. nobody likes anyone anymore and all the hate starts. Bring back the "like" Button.

 

[genuity]

See what happens when they take "Like" away. nobody likes anyone anymore and all the hate starts. Bring back the "like" Button.

hahaha...like

but for real,lets keep the thread clean.

 

[Wilksey]

When I was 7, my family was murdered by a gang of LED light systems, and I was left to die in an alley.

I survived though. Just barely.

I was found by an exiled Shaolin Monk named Sifu Chin, who enrolled me in school, raised me as his own, and taught me the ways of Shaolin Kung-Fu. My training was fueled by hatred for the evil LED light systems, and the thought of vengeance that would one day be mine. I grew stronger. Wiser.

Unbeknownst to me, the LED light systems had been informed of my survival, and had been secretly looking for me for many years. They found Sifu Chin first. I found him second....dead, with many wounds. My fury grew.

That was the day I stopped being a pupil, and became a master. A master of vengeance and rage.

I hunted them down, one by one, and though they pleaded for the pain to stop, pleaded for their lives, vengeance silenced all their pleas. The final LED light system was found trying to flee the city, but his attempt was in vain. I left his remains scattered in an alley, and the last thing I saw was his remains being harvested by a gang of Dominican street electronics dealers.

Killing those LED light systems didn't bring back my parents, or Sifu Chin, nor did it fill the emptiness in my soul, but it DID stop them from ever killing innocent people ever again. While my life now consists of looking over my shoulder, bad dreams, and drifting from town to town, it was all worth it in the end.

And that, my friend, is why I hate LED's.

 

[hyroot]

^^^^ are you Lego Batman lol