"The big secret"

CalWax

CalWax

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  • thejoogmaster 1 week ago
    Nice @theclearscientist what's your take on this whole situation with terpinol and bamf blowin the secret at the La cup





    https://twitter.com/TheClearConc

    was asked about

    http://bamf-extractions.com/#/home/

    and their extracts. BAMF is a student of nikkaT . I guess he let a secret fly a couple weeks back where he is adding terpinol to his extracts? he says its alll solvent free but it is so unbelievably clear and amazingly terpy smelling i didnt know what to think when i viewed his 80 dollar tangie gram.

    Anybody have any input?
 
drolove

drolove

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Twitch. said:
so he was adding something to his extracts?
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think he was re-adding terps back to the oil. terpene isolation is starting to take off. read something somewhere about using a air/water separator like people put on air compressors on their purge systems to catch liquid terps that can be re-added back for tons of flavor.
 
chewberto

chewberto

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Yup! that's what I heard! I don't know about their practice of adding terpenes, if it is done artificially, or if it is derived from the initial extraction process! If artificial terps are added, that Shit is whacky!
 
Bublonichronic

Bublonichronic

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So could you just make a MJ Hydrosol then do your solvent extract on the dried material, then mix the hydrosol back in with the purged oil?
 
Sirdabsalot462

Sirdabsalot462

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Shit be fuct up yo ....

If the Terpinol was recovered from the water and added back to the concentrate then I reckon there is no harm no foul.

With that being said....
Why keep this a secret?

Secrecy in the cannabis community seems counter intuitive to our culture of ” sharing and love”

It is the spirit of cannabis..
” to share”

Aka..

Passum peace pipe.


Terps are lost in water but can be recovered with the proper micron catch.
I read somewhere that about a coffee filter-ish size micron will capture these ” lost terps”..

I do understand that especially with the legalization movement, some trade secrets must be kept that way to protect the integrity of the product.


I mean, I have expended a shit ton of reading and hands on trial & error to create hash oil..
No secrets are kept...

I desire the world to have and share the best hash oil.

Secrecy hinders our progression..
 
Frenchy Cannoli

Frenchy Cannoli

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They do extract terpenes and add them to whatever medium everyday in the perfume industry and have been doing it for quite a while.
All of you BHO and CO2 experts should really check real professional extractor. If you think for a minute that the techniques you are trying to reinvent were specifically engineered to capture the most volatile terpenes, you may wonder why your results are opposite.
 
Sirdabsalot462

Sirdabsalot462

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Frenchy Cannoli said:
They do extract terpenes and add them to whatever medium everyday in the perfume industry and have been doing it for quite a while.
All of you BHO and CO2 experts should really check real professional extractor. If you think for a minute that the techniques you are trying to reinvent were specifically engineered to capture the most volatile terpenes, you may wonder why your results are opposite.
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I agree 100% with this^^..

I've been reading up on reapplying lost terpenes back into the extraction. But, I believe I need to do exactly what you suggest...

Research the perfume industry specifically, as the oil industry is now corrupt with greedy, middle-aged Baby Boomers wearing flat-billed baseball caps turned to the side. They could care less about the medicinal aspect of the industry.

One of these days, I hope to grasp the full concept of extractions..

That being said..

I will never be a master, there will always be things to learn and means of improvement.
Necessity will always push the envelope..

I'd like to watch it bend.
 
B

BCOGYODA

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I dunno I seem to be concentrating the smell in my bho...if I have a jar open in my garage it doesn't take long for the house to reek like the dankest flowers. So IMO not quite "the opposite" of trying to capture the terpenes. More like concentrating the terpenes into a dense beautiful, super dank, smooooooth smoking bho cookie.

I have smelled some lame almost odorless honeycomb at dispensaries though and I wonder to myself how the fuck did they lose the smell out of their product. Maybe too warm temps, mis handled products?

I keep my bho in cool, dark, sealed containers. Keeps it prime till gone.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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HGH is now making these too. Charging $100/g. Claiming solventless. Only hint they would give is that steam is involved.
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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Frenchy Cannoli said:
They do extract terpenes and add them to whatever medium everyday in the perfume industry and have been doing it for quite a while.
All of you BHO and CO2 experts should really check real professional extractor. If you think for a minute that the techniques you are trying to reinvent were specifically engineered to capture the most volatile terpenes, you may wonder why your results are opposite.
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An excellent 6 volume book series on the subject is The Essential Oils, by Ernest Guenther.

We visited The Essential Oil Company in Sellwood, an outlying Portland community ( http://www.essentialoil.com/ ) and shared techniques with Boris, the owner. They remove their essential oils using saturated steam.

Besides The Essential Oil Company, check out Lebermuth Company, a major world supplier of essential oils. They also have sophisticated labs for developing fragrances and flavors. http://lebermuth.com/

More directly related to cannabis, check out the more recent papers by Dr Justin Fischedick on cannabis terpenes. From the recent lecture posting, that we sponsored him at.

Dr. Fischedick received both his Master’s degree and PhD at Leiden University in the Netherlands where he worked on numerous projects related to medicinal cannabis. He is currently a post-doctoral research associate at Washington State University studying other plants that produce medicinally valuable terpenoids. His scientific publications in the area of cannabis research include:Fischedick, J.T., Hazekamp, A., Erkelens, T., Choi, Y.H., Verpoorte, R., 2010. Metabolic fingerprinting of Cannabis sativa L, cannabinoids and terpenoids for chemotaxonomic and drug standardization purposes. Phytochemistry 71, 2058–2073.Fischedick, J., Van Der Kooy, F., Verpoorte, R., 2010. Cannabinoid Receptor 1 Binding Activity and Quantitative Analysis of Cannabis sativa L. Smoke and Vapor. Chem. Pharm. Bull. 58, 201–207.Fischedick, J.T., Glas, R., Hazekamp, A., Verpoorte, R., 2009. A Qualitative and Quantitative HPTLC Densitometry Method for the Analysis of Cannabinoids in Cannabis sativa L. Phytochem. Anal. 20, 421–426.Hazekamp, A., Fischedick, J.T., 2012. Cannabis – from cultivar to chemovar. Drug Test Anal 4, 660–667. Hazekamp, A., Fischedick, J.T., Díez, M.L., Lubbe, A., Ruhaak, R.L., 2010. 3.24 – Chemistry of Cannabis, in:Editors-in-Chief: Lew Mander, Hung-Wen (Ben) Liu (Eds.), Comprehensive Natural Products II. Elsevier, Oxford, pp. 1033–1084.​
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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Frenchy Cannoli said:
They do extract terpenes and add them to whatever medium everyday in the perfume industry and have been doing it for quite a while.
All of you BHO and CO2 experts should really check real professional extractor. If you think for a minute that the techniques you are trying to reinvent were specifically engineered to capture the most volatile terpenes, you may wonder why your results are opposite.
Click to expand...
An excellent 6 volume book series on the subject is The Essential Oils, by Ernest Guenther.

We visited The Essential Oil Company in Sellwood, an outlying Portland community ( http://www.essentialoil.com/ ) and shared techniques with Boris, the owner. They remove their essential oils using saturated steam.

Besides The Essential Oil Company, check out Lebermuth Company, a major world supplier of essential oils. They also have sophisticated labs for developing fragrances and flavors. http://lebermuth.com/

More directly related to cannabis, check out the more recent papers by Dr Justin Fischedick on cannabis terpenes. From the recent lecture posting, that we sponsored him at.

Dr. Fischedick received both his Master’s degree and PhD at Leiden University in the Netherlands where he worked on numerous projects related to medicinal cannabis. He is currently a post-doctoral research associate at Washington State University studying other plants that produce medicinally valuable terpenoids. His scientific publications in the area of cannabis research include:
Fischedick, J.T., Hazekamp, A., Erkelens, T., Choi, Y.H., Verpoorte, R., 2010. Metabolic fingerprinting of Cannabis sativa L, cannabinoids and terpenoids for chemotaxonomic and drug standardization purposes. Phytochemistry 71, 2058–2073.
Fischedick, J., Van Der Kooy, F., Verpoorte, R., 2010. Cannabinoid Receptor 1 Binding Activity and Quantitative Analysis of Cannabis sativa L. Smoke and Vapor. Chem. Pharm. Bull. 58, 201–207.
Fischedick, J.T., Glas, R., Hazekamp, A., Verpoorte, R., 2009. A Qualitative and Quantitative HPTLC Densitometry Method for the Analysis of Cannabinoids in Cannabis sativa L. Phytochem. Anal. 20, 421–426.
Hazekamp, A., Fischedick, J.T., 2012. Cannabis – from cultivar to chemovar. Drug Test Anal 4, 660–667.
Hazekamp, A., Fischedick, J.T., Díez, M.L., Lubbe, A., Ruhaak, R.L., 2010. 3.24 – Chemistry of Cannabis, in:Editors-in-Chief: Lew Mander, Hung-Wen (Ben) Liu (Eds.), Comprehensive Natural Products II. Elsevier, Oxford, pp. 1033–1084.​
 
Daub Marley

Daub Marley

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These guys are probably adding food grade terpenes from other sources to their product. They are not extracting and reintroducing them. Here's a simple test. Has anyone had any of the clear that did not smell exactly the same as the last? If it did smell exactly the same it has added terps from other non-cannabis sources. TBH I really don't think it's that big of a deal as long as they recreate the targeted terpene profile, but charging that much for something anyone could make is unethical.
 
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