A thought on cloning/are we overthinking it ?

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Regalis

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I have tried to make many MANY times in my life and never had luck. Not a single one made it. I tried every trick in the book... I damn near wrote the book in the end.
I just couldnt figure out what I was doing wrong. All the fancy cutting techniques and hormones, gels, powders, temperature and humidity control sterile conditions growing mediums and just plain water. It was getting so that I dreaded trying to clone.
Then one day someone that has been around many more years than myself said... why are you making it so complicated ? She took an old plant crudely ripped it up and put the pieces into some plain dirt from the yard then placed the whole mess in a window and neglected it. Humidity around 20% and just enough water to get by. The damned things put down roots and started to grow like there was no tomorrow. Now I clone all my plants this way and have a 99% success rate.
It got me thinking... why ?
 
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BSD0621

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Because that is how it was intended.... this isn't rocket science... Cannabis is a weed. Not some special plant
 
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EverythingsHazy

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Most techniques just increase the odds of success if done correctly, but sometimes you dont need anything fancy. A glass of water will root most plants. Some need a little hormone or other chemical to induce rooting tho.
 
bamboofarmer

bamboofarmer

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I took seven cuttings from my flowering girls, dipped 'em in some clonex, and stuck 'em in some rockwool cubes. It's been about 10 days, but I don't really expect anything to happen because I'm doing it completely ass backwards. They are under 12/12 photoperiod. But they haven't died yet...lol!
 
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EverythingsHazy

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bamboofarmer said:
I took seven cuttings from my flowering girls, dipped 'em in some clonex, and stuck 'em in some rockwool cubes. It's been about 10 days, but I don't really expect anything to happen because I'm doing it completely ass backwards. They are under 12/12 photoperiod. But they haven't died yet...lol!
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Only thing "wrong" according to a lot of people is that you did it during flowering, so it has to spend some time switching back into veg mode. However, some people report the plant growing as if it were topped with a ton of branching. (search Monster Cropping)
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

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some strains are notoriously hard to clone, which is when advanced techs come in, but for the other 80% or so, throwing them in a cup of water or straight into a bucket of dirt is all it takes for sure..
 
bamboofarmer

bamboofarmer

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EverythingsHazy said:
Only thing "wrong" according to a lot of people is that you did it during flowering, so it has to spend some time switching back into veg mode. However, some people report the plant growing as if it were topped with a ton of branching. (search Monster Cropping)
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Have you seen dell66666's thread on 12/12 from seed? I figure 12/12 from clone would work too, if only I can get them to root. I just have them sitting on the floor in my flowering area under the canopy of their mothers.
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DankkAbuser

DankkAbuser

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Might want to cover and spray cover to increase humidity
clones intake their water thru leaves during the rooting process high humidity will open their leaves pores to be able to intake water
spray clones lightly onca a day
but ther lookun good
Should be rooting soon
 
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StanlySpedowski

Active Member
Agree 100% here. I think people just like to feel like they are contributing more to the success of the plant and less like its just an easy fucking plant to grow...which it is. Have only been growing for a few months and started off trying to overcomplicate things.

I built an aerocloner and did two batches in it. Cost about 50 bucks to build it. Had about 50% success rate and it took 3-4 weeks to get good enough roots. These were all done with the same strain. Also chopped the leaves in half as some suggest.

Decided to do some in just soil, solo cups and a cheap humidity dome. Cost less than 15 bucks for same amount of clones. Had 100% success rate and by 2.5 weeks the roots were growing through the holes in the bottom of the cup. Didn't chop any leaves off like I did with my first 2 batches either. The plants looked so much healthier throughout the cloning process that I have dumped the aerocloner and wish I had just tried it the simple way to start with.

Since then I've been trying to do everything as simple as possible only doing more if the plants show signs of problems. Definitely learning that less is more with this plant over the last few months. Have dumped the GH nutrients and charts. Using only dynagro foliage pro with a little of their bloom mixed in late in flowering. Also some cal/mag. Plants looks much healthier and are growing way better using these nutrients. Dumped the fox farm for some cheap super soil from home depot as well. Plants seem to love it.

Moral of the story is start with the simplest and cheapest way and go from there if your plants are struggling. I think you will be surprised at how well they grow if you give them basic nutrients and let them do their thing.
 
charface

charface

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I have also found people worrying
their clones to death.
Built identical cloners.
I have one my buddy has one.
His clones died until he stopped using it.

What it boiled down to is after I would
explain step by step repetedly I would go over and they would have dying clone
in front of an air conditioner or they dumped something in the water.
Or they spray the plant constantly
or?

They lack the ability to wait and follow
super simple directions.

Their water was fine and all that
the deciding factor was them.
 
tip top toker

tip top toker

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Most of cannabis growing has been blown out of proportion. How else could folk sell fancy products for absurd prices. It goes both ways though. If you complicate the method of growing cannabis, you can start selling lots of fancy items, be it the gels and powders and such, and conversely, if you can claim that growing cannabis is a lot more work than simply putting some clones in some dirt on a windowsill, people can use that to try and justify their rip off prices.
 
superstoner1

superstoner1

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It is simple. Over the last few years I have done thousands of clones in my homemade cloners and lost only 2, due to wrongly placed sprayers. I take a cutting and it goes straight to cloner with tap water, nothing else, and out of the 50+ strains I've had none took longer than 12-13 days to root.
 
charface

charface

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There are some varieties that take longer
but if you maintain the conditions
you start with they will sprout.

Ive used plugs and all that.
The bubble cloner I built with cfl
and a seedling mat has really been the
fastest easiest way.

cut a forty five.
Stick them in cloner
Spray them once or twice then no more.
Keep the fan off them.
Add water as needed.
a little peroxide to keep the water clean.
Keep the light at an acceptable height
depending on the output.

Use the seedling mat if your water is
much below 75.

With the seedling mat my water ends up about 85.

Change water once a week.
I wait more like 9 Days.
If you want a dome for a few days
spray the inside of a cake box top.
Get creative. Who dont like cake
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You will succeed.
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or it can be as simple as misting the inside of a plastic bag.
Keep moist soil
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Stick a pete pellet in a butchered solo
cup in a damp ziplock under a light.
Keep pellet moist.
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Anyway you will eventually realize
its hard to not get roots if you keep it simple and observe basic environmental
factors.
 
Sand4x105

Sand4x105

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To the OP:
Maybe you were un-lucky before... and now you are lucky... or just not as stupid... or just me, messing with ya...
Every clone, you're technically getting better every time...
You still are not at 100%... When you get 100% every time, and you are surprised that you loose even one...
Then consider yourself an expert...
Cloning Newbies, kill their clones because:
1-use of scissors when cutting off clone-scissors crush the end membrane and doesn't allow uptake of roots, and roots never form...
Use sharp blade to re-cut clone
2-Newbies smoke tobacco and touch clones with poison fingers to clone... wash first with rubbing alcohol...
3-Newbies "Think" little clone needs extra watering on leaves... [I clone into a soil/vermiculite/perilite mix]-and NEVER spray leaves-newbies over spray leaves, leaves droop more and more so they spray them to death...
4-Newbies-You think you are over thinking the issue, when in reality, you do just one minor step wrong see above 1-2-3 and you scrap what you did right for a hap-hazard method of hit or miss cloning....

Since September 2, 2013 I have cloned 110 plants... I have lost zero .00000 %....Yes, my MJ is easy to clone...Why would you grow something, that is hard to clone?
For sure it's not me... it's because I have found a fail safe method, where I never loose a clone, ever....
I use my fail safe method, simply, over and over, redundantly .... I never change the how... or the what...or the when...or the where....
And you know the Why!!!!
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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I'm happy to say I had my first successful clone..took about 4 weeks but I finally have new growth starting .. 2 out of 14 are fabulous and healthy another 2-3 I think will make it
I'm really happy about this..probly gonna go tell a few more threads now:)
 
charface

charface

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I also don't want anyone to think
my clones never yellow and look perfect.
But by the time they are a few weeks
rooted they recover and begin to thrive.
 
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