Concentrates and toxins

[R&RHashman]

Hey SaybianTv, im not dick bashing organic just saying im happy with my stuff the way it is and have not smoked any organic that was any better then any properly grown/harvested "non" organic

 

[Twitch]

yea organics is necessary for grower out doors becuase you have to keep putting nutes back into the soil and all that stuff, not so much with hydro, because the media is dumped out every 7 to 10 days

and i think we kinda give mother nature the bird when we setup indoor gardens.......

 

[Pangioti]

So I guess I have answered my own question - any pesticides, neem oil or anything else that was put on or in the plant will get extracted to concentrate no matter what method of extraction you use…

sound right?

I have enjoyed reading up on organic growing and have been well-educated on it - thank you

 

[Dan Kone]

well if you search the internet for what kind of bud will smell louder and taste better(side effect of having more terpene build up), you will get a resounding organics leaning result. the smell and taste come from terpenes.

People say lots of things on the internet. Doesn't make them true.

 

[Dan Kone]

Over 20 years ago I started growing. I've done it just about every way possible. I have found that in soil it was easy to get awesome quality from using the correct amount of chemical nutrients at the proper time.

Biggest flavor downer is too much N during last half of flowering. Its hard to time N depletion in an organic only situation.

Flushing is a myth. If your late flower feed is properly balanced (high P and low N) you need not starve a plant when it's doing it's best work.

Bennies are only there to keep bad stuff at bay and breakdown organic nutrients into uptakeable forms. So if feeding nutrients that need not be broken down and running sterile reservoir you don't need bennies.

All that said, I get total control and maximum availablility of my nutrients by using gh three part, calmag and ro water.

I agree with all of this except the part about flushing. Whether or not you should flush and for how long depends on how you feed them. I prefer loading them up heavy on pk then flushing.

 

[Dan Kone]

So I guess I have answered my own question - any pesticides, neem oil or anything else that was put on or in the plant will get extracted to concentrate no matter what method of extraction you use…

sound right?

I have enjoyed reading up on organic growing and have been well-educated on it - thank you

Sort of. It definitely will come through in a cold water process. It depends on the amount of coating in bho. If it does transfer into bho, you'll know it. You will end up with purple goop. You won't be able to get a solid consistency.

Also molds will transfer into cold water hash but not bho.

 

[SnapsProvolone]

I agree with all of this except the part about flushing. Whether or not you should flush and for how long depends on how you feed them. I prefer loading them up heavy on pk then flushing.

However pk aren't very mobile unlike n.

 

[LIBERTYCHICKEN]

So I guess I have answered my own question - any pesticides, neem oil or anything else that was put on or in the plant will get extracted to concentrate no matter what method of extraction you use…

sound right?

I have enjoyed reading up on organic growing and have been well-educated on it - thank you

NO - water soluble pesticides will be removed from most extractions (done properly) at least 99.9995%

Bottom line is the only way to know for sure is to produce your own seed -to- end product

 

[Twitch]

or clone to end..

 

[WarMachine]

Hey why you guys gotta dick bash organic if the guys not blowing the holy'er than thou talk. I run probably 90% organic because I guess that's just my lot in life. I also grow my own meat and food so It's a little more complex than method thumping.

I can't imagine it tasting very good though? Weird texture/taste I presume? LOL I just kid my friend

 

[SnapsProvolone]

I can't imagine it tasting very good though? Weird texture/taste I presume? LOL I just kid my friend

I grow my own meat. Bitches think it tastes fine, only complaint is sore knees.

Sorry. Couldnt resist.

 

[Metasynth]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SnapsProvolone again.

 

[midnitetoak]

Hello all,
My father has ALS and I have been helping him out with mmj to treat his condition. I have made several tinctures, and oil and have produced capsules but have since switched him over to strictly vaping. I stopped producing concentrates because I understand that unless you know the product you getting is organic and has not been treated with pesticides – I would be concentrating the pesticides along with the essential oil.

I am in a state where MMJ is still illegal so I'm looking to set up grow room so I can control my own product, but until I am able to do that - does ice water extraction clean out the impurities or should I just wait to make concentrates until I'm able to produce my organic product.?

Thank you!

Pangioti

There's so much testosterone in here it smells like gym class. To help answer your Q: whether hydro or organics are used doesn't matter much- water hash can still contain whatever chemicals were sprayed on the mj if any existed at harvest...ppl spray chemical on their organic & hydro grows too. Making concentrates out of material from any unknown source obviously is a risk no matter the process used. I would try to nail down as reputable a source as possible to keep your father medicated as needed but set up your grow room with concentrate production in mind: in other words consider a SCROG type grow where you will end up with lots of trim to run bubble hash or BHO as opposed to a SOG where you typically will have several small plants & mostly bud to dry out & cure. You can make concentrates like hash or BHO right away no need to cure for weeks

 

[Pangioti]

There's so much testosterone in here it smells like gym class. To help answer your Q: whether hydro or organics are used doesn't matter much- water hash can still contain whatever chemicals were sprayed on the mj if any existed at harvest...ppl spray chemical on their organic & hydro grows too. Making concentrates out of material from any unknown source obviously is a risk no matter the process used. I would try to nail down as reputable a source as possible to keep your father medicated as needed but set up your grow room with concentrate production in mind: in other words consider a SCROG type grow where you will end up with lots of trim to run bubble hash or BHO as opposed to a SOG where you typically will have several small plants & mostly bud to dry out & cure. You can make concentrates like hash or BHO right away no need to cure for weeks

Thanks for the info!
Strange how this post blew up into an Organic Vs Hydro war but it really educated me and inspired me to look into both methods further.

I do plan on providing him with concentrates, I have already made a few - I followed BadKitty Smiles cannacap recipe and he liked it - but without knowing what's in the product I get, I'm weary of giving it to him. I should have the "reliable source" problem solved soon and then I will decide which concentrate to go with. I thought of BHO but did not trust I can purge properly. Right now, his hands give him a little trouble when he packs his Vape so having oil would be great, he could load a Dank Tank on the Tristick and not have to worry about reloading. So short of getting a SC-CO2 extractor, I will have to learn how to make some clean oil....

 

[Dan Kone]

Thanks for the info!
Strange how this post blew up into an Organic Vs Hydro war but it really educated me and inspired me to look into both methods further.

I do plan on providing him with concentrates, I have already made a few - I followed BadKitty Smiles cannacap recipe and he liked it - but without knowing what's in the product I get, I'm weary of giving it to him. I should have the "reliable source" problem solved soon and then I will decide which concentrate to go with. I thought of BHO but did not trust I can purge properly. Right now, his hands give him a little trouble when he packs his Vape so having oil would be great, he could load a Dank Tank on the Tristick and not have to worry about reloading. So short of getting a SC-CO2 extractor, I will have to learn how to make some clean oil....

You can purge out bho to a very low ppm level. Assuming it's just butane left over you're talking about a non-toxic substance. If you live in Cali you can get a lab to analyze your residual solvent content and know exactly what it is.

IMO vaporizing bho is less harmful than smoking water hash because you're not smoking plant matter.

 

[qwizoking]

Winterize the bho (effectively purging) and removing the fats and waxes so predominant in bho...they are really nasty

 

[AnxiousGrower]

ebb and flow system all organic nutrients, 2 strains great white shark and white widow, tasted delicious!!!
I used other nutrients first time and they were cheap, bud tasted more chemical like, had almost like a gas smell to it while organic nutrients had it tasting real pine like with a hint of citrus.

Have read all kinds of blogs full of people who argue whats better. If you want quality bud that is very clean go organic. (Also it was smoother to smoke (2 different people tried both strains from both grows and said the same thing that it was way more mild than before)