"The big secret"

[Daub Marley]

You say it's terpless then say it smells like lemon?
Instability could be because because it's decarbed or as the result of the terpenes which are non-polar and act as a solvent. Either way gooey concentrates are always a bitch to work with.

 

[jon daly]

you are correct. what i meant and think i posted was you could smell it but there is no taste of the same scent. im no stranger to most forms
of extraction and am pretty sure its the steam tech nug run decarboxylated with added terpene. thats my best guess, only way they could
justify the price.

 

[qwizoking]

Too dark to not be decarbed..
Slight green tint as well. Looks pretty poopy to me. I could have an off day extracting nd turn just about any product into something that looks like that.. seems that they are really getting an inferior product and trying to add some terps to improve.
Oh we turned it to perma goo? Nah its supposed to be like that
Oh its green? No it ain't we diluted it to shit, no way..
Smells like poop? Nah bro we add terps back so it doesn't matter how much we lose!
Waaaait a minute.... I could start taking my second washes, purge improperly . Add some exotic flavors y'all haven't heard of and sell it for top dollar!

 

[Pyewacket]

Well, I guess I am going to have to experiment with this. I make some essential oils with one of my distillers from time to time. The process should be the same -- Boil some plant material in H2O -- distill --and use an oil/hydrosol separator. I made one from an old vodka bottle few months ago. Below is cedar in my boiler - should work just the same with bud -- even stripped bud? Maybe dry out after the solvent extraction and put the material in the boiler -- slap on the distiller head and collect. The essential oil will form and separate (you can see the cedar essential oil forming on the surface in the second picture) and you can just open the ball valve and remove the hydrosol. This would be considered marijuana oil -not THC- and should have a strong odor/flavor?

 

[ohshitson]

they(bamf) put it in a fucking little jar and its unstable as fuck.

wonder how it would react under vac...

 

[CalWax]

@pyewacket.

I was under the ASSUMPTION that clear first takes decarbed material. then a etoh wash. then a hexane salt water brine for polishing, then they add artificial terps

 

[Pyewacket]

@pyewacket.

I was under the ASSUMPTION that clear first takes decarbed material. then a etoh wash. then a hexane salt water brine for polishing, then they add artificial terps

Interesting stuff. I will probably start making some essential oil. Going to need the house to myself though lol -- I might need the neighborhood to myself during the process; marijuana essential oil -- what a perfume that is gonna be! Although I am not certain what they mean by artificial terps, I am assuming they are talking about essential oils. This would easily allow them to capture the flavor profile of what ever strain they wanted. Thanks for this thread~

 

[qwizoking]

Many terpenes are produced artificially like the aforementioned terpineol...
I certainly would not assume they mean essential oils etc ..if i understand what you mean, capturing the mary jane perfume serves no purpose unless your trying to separate it from your extract..which I wouldn't understand the reasoning

 

[Pyewacket]

Many terpenes are produced artificially like the aforementioned terpineol...
I certainly would not assume they mean essential oils etc ..if i understand what you mean, capturing the mary jane perfume serves no purpose unless your trying to separate it from your extract..which I wouldn't understand the reasoning

I mean, capturing essential oil components from the vegetation...and adding them to the concentrate for a flavor profile. I was thinking of strain specific flavor--and never considered anything artificial. I guess in my mind...flavor/aroma is a complicated mixture of various compounds...like making whiskey, brandy, gin...my naivety shinning though.

Mary Jane perfume is probably what I would be making LOL -->the art/science behind capturing essential oil is interesting--more sophisticated than what I can do for sure -- being a novice. I have read several articles about making "cuts" with specific methods to extract the desired components of oil/hydrosol. Also, I have never rectified essential oils -- using this method to remove/capture terps -- does make me consider the possibilities. I can confess my only experience is making basic cuts in the process was to produce a desired hydrosol and ignoring the oil aspect for the most part. The other problem, I am only now trying increase the flavor profile of my concentrates -- for years I never considered the possibilities...

As much as I love the boards and information here, it would be awesome to connect with folks doing these sorts of things -- hands on discussions. I do live in Washington State...maybe one day )


***Edit to add***
Part of the reason this thread has me interested, is that I have for a while now been recapturing my Etoh...in my process of making Rick Simpson's oil. After many distillations, I eventually re-purpose my alcohol as a BBQ fire starter etc... I always notice that the alcohol...as it is being re-run takes on an intense odor profile. Messing around with things, I decided to collect this distillate in small collection vessels and separated out some of these flavors making "cuts"...like you do for a whiskey. I found a center portion that I diluted down to 42% ABV...and took a sip -- interesting "gin/vodka" for sure LOL.

I decided to do something different on my latest batch. Instead of tossing the alcohol, I choose the center cut portion and used this to do a final Alcohol bud concentrate run...without distilling. I did three 15 second washes and winterized -- allowed the alcohol to evaporated at about 100deg F; leaving behind some of the captured flavor from the alcohol. The result was some very good concentrate with a more intense flavor. Thought it would be interesting to experiment with a combination of methods...starting with making and separating out some essential oil. Reintroducing it after refinement -- which may include another trip or two through the distiller using steam...or 95.5%ABV making cuts and trying to capture the flavor profile...

 

[lio lacidem]

Too dark to not be decarbed..
Slight green tint as well. Looks pretty poopy to me. I could have an off day extracting nd turn just about any product into something that looks like that.. seems that they are really getting an inferior product and trying to add some terps to improve.
Oh we turned it to perma goo? Nah its supposed to be like that
Oh its green? No it ain't we diluted it to shit, no way..
Smells like poop? Nah bro we add terps back so it doesn't matter how much we lose!
Waaaait a minute.... I could start taking my second washes, purge improperly . Add some exotic flavors y'all haven't heard of and sell it for top dollar!

Oh man time to start using the old ladies dirty panties for filters. Gonna make a million bucks!

 

[CalWax]

I'm trying to add what I can. I don't have extensive knowledge only what I learn from you guys.and what i'm siphoning from the instagram.blah blah. here is my finding.

fully_melted "i add glycerine to the mix. limonene. pinene. myrecene, carotine. lycopene. red palm oil extract ect. to provide a powerful antioxidant that that can cure cancer as well as epilepsy ms and a few other things. ppl dont smoke for medicene as a legal way to burn. im only here for the patients" '

he also went to say these goes into capsules. so ya.

but its interesting he would site carotene, because I always view X_tracted on instragram and ALL of his extracts as of recently have been a uniform color, I wanted to site carotene as one of the ingridiants in his "enhancments"

I assume now its one of many things; just a terp stew. Maybe he adds when he pours out of his cls.

 

[AlaskaHashMan]

I'm not a patient myself strictly a recreational user, however I would still like to have the finest concentrate available.
In my opinion MJ has a very generous following, but it seems to be a situation where, we'll make the basic information available to all but to get the finer points and techniques you really have to work the system for information. Everyone seems willing to help but considering how advanced many of you are it can be a little intimidating to ask what seems like stupid questions.

I personally am in Alaska and as far as I know I'm the only guy making BHO who give a crap about quality, making it super challenging to get it "right". Even shit like smoking, how hot to get the nail. Lol.....the journey continues.

 

[qwizoking]

No bad questions... much rather someone ask

Btw cooler the nail the better(obviously it has to be over the boiling point of our hash though)... You never wanna see it glow

 

[AlaskaHashMan]

Crap I make mine hot as hell.

 

[Daub Marley]

Terp stew? I would stick to only the terpenes found in cannabis for extracts because nobody really knows if burning or even vaporizing some of these chemicals are harmful in the long term. The ones in cannabis we can intelligently guess that they are not harmful. On the other hand adding beneficial terpenes not found in cannabis to edibles is a very good idea, and I commend you on your desire to "really" help patients.

 

[Sirdabsalot462]

I happen to dab a lot...
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Maybe I'm imagining this but, I can control the &#8221; high&#8221; I desire by utilizing the temp of the nail.

If I want dabs for energy, refreshment, focus.I let the nail get pretty cool after heating..
If I want a narcotic couch lock, drooling, put yo ass to sleep dabs...

I heat til glowing, wait about 6 ish seconds and dab it and hold in as long as possible.
Theory:
I don't know

But, it works.

 

[qwizoking]

Cbd is not only much more stable than thc but has a higher bp... your breaking down the thc ..it also won't taste as good doing the same thing to terpenes , whatever gets you where you wanna go...
Still..don't let ti glow

 

[Dan Kone]

I happen to dab a lot...
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Maybe I'm imagining this but, I can control the &#8221; high&#8221; I desire by utilizing the temp of the nail.

If I want dabs for energy, refreshment, focus.I let the nail get pretty cool after heating..
If I want a narcotic couch lock, drooling, put yo ass to sleep dabs...

I heat til glowing, wait about 6 ish seconds and dab it and hold in as long as possible.
Theory:
I don't know

But, it works.

You need an enail with a carb cap.

 

[AlaskaHashMan]

Bottom line you don't want anything left on your nail post dab. Cooling to much and I don't vaporize all the oil.

 

[Sirdabsalot462]

You need an enail with a carb cap.

Got one...
No carb cap though..

Still use the torch for night time dabs...

Many many many side by sides, night after night.

Temps are controlled in 1° C increments...
Please advise Dan...

What temps should I be using?
For sleep =___________°
Focus/energy =__________°